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Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 690	Posted - 2014.05.23 09:55:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously, every stats you'll see, Amarr is WAYYYYYYY behind, the last, the less used, the less powerful....And the Race with the less stuff. WHY ? We received 30hp in Exchange of 5% speed penality.....WTF ? it's not even a bonus it's a native nerf...... You nerfed Armor plates, okay so what Amarr are supposed to use, they were the worst suits, and now they are even worse ? Gallente still better brick tanking than us, while being faster, with hp/regen lower Scan profile.... We have the biggest suits, (bigger hitbox i think).. How Amarr is supposed to be competitive with the worst values of all stats exepting...Stamina, which is useless when you are slow as hell ? When are you going to understand than it's NOT because the base ehp of the suit is bigger (30ehp..whoa) than the suit once fitted will NOT have the biggest ehp ? Gallente sentinel is brick tanking bettter than Amarr ? WTF ? First : - Bring at least the equivalent of an ADV plate ehp for Amarr suits. (We have 5% speed nerf which is an advanced plate, why we have half of an STD ? ) - EVERY Amarr suit should have way more Armor ehp than Gallente ONCE FITTED. - Bring Armor plates to a %. - Bring equality to Amarr slots. They should have more Armor slots than gallente (And less high slots). - An Amarr suit should have native Overheat reduction. 10% would be good. Amarr weapons are the ONLY one that have lethal drawbacks and punitive system.... Amarr suits are not just Amarr assaults. -Reduce PG cost of ScR, 11PG on STD is a joke, it's bigger than Proto weapons of other races....
Balamob Sver true blood Dirt Nap Squad. 30	Posted - 2014.05.23 10:30:00 - [2] - Quote While i agree in most of your post, we also have to consider that when amarr reaches lvl 5 on dropsuit armor upgrades (25% or armor basic HP) you will have 50 hp more than gallente meduim that also has that at lvl 5 for example (which is still less than a basic armor plate), they should add a low slot to all amarr suits, that would be more efficient, to give us an innate plate would be OP in my opinion, more if we get that bonus before sepnding ponts on the skill previously mentioned. Most of you perspective is right, i like the PG reduction idea of the amarr SR but about the 10% heat reduction would be a mark that only SR is for amarr (which sounds logical) but not sure about this beain a good idea, they should have lowered the heat built up in general after the increase of TTK, at least a little bit. Being a Templar is a vow for life.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9876	Posted - 2014.05.23 10:37:00 - [3] - Quote Amarr suits have the highest CPU/PG. And normal armor plates will have the highest CPU/PG requirements. While Ferroscale/Reactives plates will be chaper. IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT MAKES SENSE Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9876	Posted - 2014.05.23 10:40:00 - [4] - Quote Wait, no, that's only true for the assault suits.... Scratch that. Though it would make sense. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 1075	Posted - 2014.05.23 12:02:00 - [5] - Quote If it's not crying for nerfs it's crying for buffs 'D1CK by name' 'D1CK by nature'
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 692	Posted - 2014.05.23 12:35:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Wait, no, that's only true for the assault suits.... Scratch that. Though it would make sense. Yep, almost
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 692	Posted - 2014.05.23 12:37:00 - [7] - Quote Balamob wrote: While i agree in most of your post, we also have to consider that when amarr reaches lvl 5 on dropsuit armor upgrades (25% or armor basic HP) you will have 50 hp more than gallente meduim that also has that at lvl 5 for example (which is still less than a basic armor plate), they should add a low slot to all amarr suits, that would be more efficient, to give us an innate plate would be OP in my opinion, more if we get that bonus before sepnding ponts on the skill previously mentioned. Most of you perspective is right, i like the PG reduction idea of the amarr SR but about the 10% heat reduction would be a mark that only SR is for amarr (which sounds logical) but not sure about this beain a good idea, they should have lowered the heat built up in general after the increase of TTK, at least a little bit. So... having a free basic plate would be OP for you ? So why we have an Advanced plate PENALITY ? I can't understand. Choice one : Free advanced plate + advanced plate penality. Free 30 hp + NO penality. Seems logic ?
Balamob Sver true blood Dirt Nap Squad. 30	Posted - 2014.05.23 13:51:00 - [8] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Balamob wrote: While i agree in most of your post, we also have to consider that when amarr reaches lvl 5 on dropsuit armor upgrades (25% or armor basic HP) you will have 50 hp more than gallente meduim that also has that at lvl 5 for example (which is still less than a basic armor plate), they should add a low slot to all amarr suits, that would be more efficient, to give us an innate plate would be OP in my opinion, more if we get that bonus before sepnding ponts on the skill previously mentioned. Most of you perspective is right, i like the PG reduction idea of the amarr SR but about the 10% heat reduction would be a mark that only SR is for amarr (which sounds logical) but not sure about this beain a good idea, they should have lowered the heat built up in general after the increase of TTK, at least a little bit. So... having a free basic plate would be OP for you ? So why we have an Advanced plate PENALITY ? I can't understand. Choice one : Free advanced plate + advanced plate penality. Free 30 hp + NO penality. Seems logic ? i know what u mean that the assault need a buff on armor (my main is an amarr assault), but consider that we have the bonus of a basic plate from a starting point of a gallente passive armor... 210, then 210 + 85 = 295 without dropsuit armor upgrades, now with lvl 5 armor upgrades would be 25% more which would be 73.75 (74 round up very close to what another basic armor plate value has) which in total would be 369 without armor plates, that would be almost 2 armor plates, also we have to consider the extra stamina pool to fix that speed reduction which would be worth 1%. My thoughts is that we should have more armor of a gallente but the difference should be worth a basic armor plate with dropsuit armor upgrade at lvl 4. Being a Templar is a vow for life.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 1526	Posted - 2014.05.23 14:10:00 - [9] - Quote We know that Amarr needs some love, please have patience. We can't do everything at once. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Balamob Sver true blood Dirt Nap Squad. 30	Posted - 2014.05.23 14:20:00 - [10] - Quote The pressure is not intensional, sorry for that, i know u already working on alpha hotfix. Is just that there r still things to balance + there r a lot of people posting = lots of work. Keep the good work . Being a Templar is a vow for life.

Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2374	Posted - 2014.05.23 14:22:00 - [11] - Quote Make all amarr strafe .95% of max speed and their base sprint 1.5 rather than 1.4x base speed. This way their armor plates have less of an effect.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 1075	Posted - 2014.05.23 14:32:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We know that Amarr needs some love, please have patience. We can't do everything at once. They have the highest fitting available, decent starting HP, High stamina all at the cost of reduced speed ^^ thats 3 pro's with 1 con There weaponry isn't spammed as often as other racial variants, as the Amarr weapons take skilled shooting They are not as easy spammed as CR/PR yet in combat they can take down any of their racial counterparts Basically what I am saying is beware... The parity between suits is closer that forum whiners would claim What we have now in Dust is suits that perform better in different situations and in terms of killing power The Amarr are in a good place, always have been but too many players repeatedly asking for buffs is a joke Variety is a good thing, if we pigeon-hole all of Dust514's niche classes then we might as well play BF4 'D1CK by name' 'D1CK by nature'

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 1530	Posted - 2014.05.23 14:35:00 - [13] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We know that Amarr needs some love, please have patience. We can't do everything at once. They have the highest fitting available, decent starting HP, High stamina all at the cost of reduced speed ^^ thats 3 pro's with 1 con There weaponry isn't spammed as often as other racial variants, as the Amarr weapons take skilled shooting They are not as easy spammed as CR/PR yet in combat they can take down any of their racial counterparts Basically what I am saying is beware... The parity between suits is closer that forum whiners would claim What we have now in Dust is suits that perform better in different situations and in terms of killing power The Amarr are in a good place, always have been but too many players repeatedly asking for buffs is a joke Variety is a good thing, if we pigeon-hole all of Dust514's niche classes then we might as well play BF4 We are hoping that with these changes, shields might get more popular and with it scramblers/lasers and with it Amarr dropsuits. We also will be taking a look at shields. That's the idea at least "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 1075	Posted - 2014.05.23 14:39:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: TheD1CK wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We know that Amarr needs some love, please have patience. We can't do everything at once. They have the highest fitting available, decent starting HP, High stamina all at the cost of reduced speed ^^ thats 3 pro's with 1 con There weaponry isn't spammed as often as other racial variants, as the Amarr weapons take skilled shooting They are not as easy spammed as CR/PR yet in combat they can take down any of their racial counterparts Basically what I am saying is beware... The parity between suits is closer that forum whiners would claim What we have now in Dust is suits that perform better in different situations and in terms of killing power The Amarr are in a good place, always have been but too many players repeatedly asking for buffs is a joke Variety is a good thing, if we pigeon-hole all of Dust514's niche classes then we might as well play BF4 We are hoping that with these changes, shields might get more popular and with it scramblers/lasers and with it Amarr dropsuits. We also will be taking a look at shields. That's the idea at least Indeed it looks like your taking a steady approach here, I like it... if you have time I left a thread for you to seek out 'D1CK by name' 'D1CK by nature'
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1540	Posted - 2014.05.23 14:41:00 - [15] - Quote To the OP, the Minmatar suits say "hi". To Ratatti, glad to see that shields are in for a tweak as well. PSN ID: AlbelNox2569 MAG Vet ~ Raven R.I.P.~ Dust, R.I.P.~ MAG
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2375	Posted - 2014.05.23 14:45:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: TheD1CK wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We know that Amarr needs some love, please have patience. We can't do everything at once. They have the highest fitting available, decent starting HP, High stamina all at the cost of reduced speed ^^ thats 3 pro's with 1 con There weaponry isn't spammed as often as other racial variants, as the Amarr weapons take skilled shooting They are not as easy spammed as CR/PR yet in combat they can take down any of their racial counterparts Basically what I am saying is beware... The parity between suits is closer that forum whiners would claim What we have now in Dust is suits that perform better in different situations and in terms of killing power The Amarr are in a good place, always have been but too many players repeatedly asking for buffs is a joke Variety is a good thing, if we pigeon-hole all of Dust514's niche classes then we might as well play BF4 We are hoping that with these changes, shields might get more popular and with it scramblers/lasers and with it Amarr dropsuits. We also will be taking a look at shields. That's the idea at least Likewise with the assault rifle changes we should start to see ARs make a comeback as a kind of balanced damage weapon.
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1089	Posted - 2014.05.23 14:59:00 - [17] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We know that Amarr needs some love, please have patience. We can't do everything at once. They have the highest fitting available, decent starting HP, High stamina all at the cost of reduced speed ^^ thats 3 pro's with 1 con There weaponry isn't spammed as often as other racial variants, as the Amarr weapons take skilled shooting They are not as easy spammed as CR/PR yet in combat they can take down any of their racial counterparts Basically what I am saying is beware... The parity between suits is closer that forum whiners would claim What we have now in Dust is suits that perform better in different situations and in terms of killing power The Amarr are in a good place, always have been but too many players repeatedly asking for buffs is a joke Variety is a good thing, if we pigeon-hole all of Dust514's niche classes then we might as well play BF4 Only the assault has more fitting, at the cost of an entire slot... this has been proven to be an unequal tradeoff. They have higher stamina and more HP at the cost of REALLY reduced speed and larger hitboxes. OH, 30 eHP is laughable. Scrambler has such a pathetic amount of damage before overheat it is useless outside of the assault (seriously, you will not kill a basic heavy before overheat.) CR does +30% more damage per trigger pull, with better damage types as well. Scrambler is BY FAR the hardest weapon to fit too, requiring the most GP, on suits that have less PG than gallente (assault aside). You are about as anti-amarr as they come. I always find you in any thread that mentions amarr or minmatar, and you alsways ask for the same exact things... nerf/do nothing for amarr, buff minmatar. Fixing swarms
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1089	Posted - 2014.05.23 15:02:00 - [18] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: To the OP, the Minmatar suits say "hi". To Ratatti, glad to see that shields are in for a tweak as well. Minmatar suits are as a whole better than amarr suits. Way better scout, better assault, better logi, better commando, jury is out on the sentienl. Want to argue about the assault? Ok, we both get the same bonus (an increase to sustained damage i.e. "clip size") except the minmatar weaponry takes around half of the fitting (oops there goes the fitting advantage), the minmatar assault has scout level speed, and scout level stamina regen and an extra slot.... There is a reason why amarr stuff is the least used in the game. Fixing swarms
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 694	Posted - 2014.05.23 15:34:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: TheD1CK wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We know that Amarr needs some love, please have patience. We can't do everything at once. They have the highest fitting available, decent starting HP, High stamina all at the cost of reduced speed ^^ thats 3 pro's with 1 con There weaponry isn't spammed as often as other racial variants, as the Amarr weapons take skilled shooting They are not as easy spammed as CR/PR yet in combat they can take down any of their racial counterparts Basically what I am saying is beware... The parity between suits is closer that forum whiners would claim What we have now in Dust is suits that perform better in different situations and in terms of killing power The Amarr are in a good place, always have been but too many players repeatedly asking for buffs is a joke Variety is a good thing, if we pigeon-hole all of Dust514's niche classes then we might as well play BF4 We are hoping that with these changes, shields might get more popular and with it scramblers/lasers and with it Amarr dropsuits. We also will be taking a look at shields. That's the idea at least It don't makes any sense. Amarr is an Armor suits, the worst of the other suits, check your numbers and tell me how Amarr is supposed to be competitive. With recent Armor nerf to Shield buff, that's even worse for Amarr which is an Armor tanker. D1CK Amarr have the biggest fitting ? Amarr Assault is NOT all the Amarr suits. And when you have no slot and a weapons that takes 11PG at STD 16 at ADV and 20 at PRO you DON'T have a big fitting possibility. At the contrary. Decent starting ehp ? WHAT ? 30hp more ? At the end once fitted EVERY suit in this game have more ehp than Amarr and you know it, what the point about having more starting ehp if once fitted you have the less ? Nobody play with unfitted suit. Stmaina ? What the point of stmaina when you're slow ? Graphics showed it, all the suits in this game goes faster and longer than Amarr. You're just telling wrong facts. Check your numbers. You just proved Amarr have no pro exept an useless stamina. You forgot we have bigger hitbox, no strafe possibility. Amarr weapons are not used not because of skillcap, but because you just can't fit these weapons, they overheat, have the lowest DPS, the lowest damage per mag (overheat) and the worst damag profile. Amarr is the worst place in dust since more than a year. You're just a Minmatarr ****** who will always find an excuse to buff Minmatarr.... "Variety ?" Then ok, CCP please remove 20% speed for minmatarr, and make their weapons takes 50 PG for STD, higher their hitbox by 15%, nerf their guns by 10 DMG per shot and finally remove one of their slots, for "Variety". You don't like it ? This is what Amarr is.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3411	Posted - 2014.05.23 16:00:00 - [20] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We know that Amarr needs some love, please have patience. We can't do everything at once. They have the highest fitting available, decent starting HP, High stamina all at the cost of reduced speed ^^ thats 3 pro's with 1 con There weaponry isn't spammed as often as other racial variants, as the Amarr weapons take skilled shooting They are not as easy spammed as CR/PR yet in combat they can take down any of their racial counterparts Basically what I am saying is beware... The parity between suits is closer that forum whiners would claim What we have now in Dust is suits that perform better in different situations and in terms of killing power The Amarr are in a good place, always have been but too many players repeatedly asking for buffs is a joke Variety is a good thing, if we pigeon-hole all of Dust514's niche classes then we might as well play BF4 Quiet you! To both you and Cat (who already realized his mistake)... my Amarr logi suit would like to have a word with you. Also, the higher base stats, as has been noted many times, does not compensate for the slot disparity with the Gallente. We are slotted as dual tankers, which is not an effective layout and the reason why a lot of us stacked damage mods, it was arguably the best option we had. I will echo Mordecai in that a large part of the reason why I switched from the ScR to the CR was less due to the "skill" nature of the weapon than because the PG cost of the ScR is ridiculous. Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit! See you in Destiny psn: bobswerski

TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 1075	Posted - 2014.05.23 16:05:00 - [21] - Quote Well, nice rage posting... but do you see where I asked for a buff ..??? The Irony that the one using an UP suit is not QQing, just responding hoping CCP see through The transparency of your posting and see that you have been begging for a crutch for months My allegiance to race in Dust is purely because players like you, act like you deserve more than others.. And as for your QQ .. I'm slow... Go find yourself a minnine assault in a mimic of your Amarr fit.... Have a nice little 100m sprint and see how far behind you are.... not much... yet here you are QQing You want to turn this into a Suit argument.... It makes me sick that the Matari suits are all clearly UP and excel at nothing another suit can't do better ^^ Despite our Scout... which a scannable Nova Knifer is Soooo Scary Yet despite this, Amarr ''Buff'' threads appear in most pages on the Forum... Personally, I want a balanced game thats even/enjoyable for both sides... But forum whiners will have their way if they keep at it for months on end, as you are I posted a counter to your post, yet you just attack me as your are a keyboard warrior, Thank god some of the Amarr players are decent people, you sir are not one of them 'D1CK by name' 'D1CK by nature'
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 695	Posted - 2014.05.23 16:19:00 - [22] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Well, nice rage posting... but do you see where I asked for a buff ..??? The Irony that the one using an UP suit is not QQing, just responding hoping CCP see through The transparency of your posting and see that you have been begging for a crutch for months My allegiance to race in Dust is purely because players like you, act like you deserve more than others.. And as for your QQ .. I'm slow... Go find yourself a minnine assault in a mimic of your Amarr fit.... Have a nice little 100m sprint and see how far behind you are.... not much... yet here you are QQing You want to turn this into a Suit argument.... It makes me sick that the Matari suits are all clearly UP and excel at nothing another suit can't do better ^^ Despite our Scout... which a scannable Nova Knifer is Soooo Scary Yet despite this, Amarr ''Buff'' threads appear in most pages on the Forum... Personally, I want a balanced game thats even/enjoyable for both sides... But forum whiners will have their way if they keep at it for months on end, as you are I posted a counter to your post, yet you just attack me as your are a keyboard warrior, Thank god some of the Amarr players are decent people, you sir are not one of them Sorry if i seems...well a bit raging against oyu or your ideas, it's not the case. But you bring facts, wrong facts. Like it was real thing, well not. And you keep defending them, after i proved you you were wrong. Amarr deserve something it's true, tell me the last time we received love ? Tell me how much stuff we have in this game ? Tell me the last time you saw an OP Amarr, just tell me WHEN ? When did you see a good player slaying everything with an Amarr dropsuits (Heavy don't count, they were the only heavy.). How can you expect "balance" when 1 race is totally underdog since a year and more ? Look the FW. Exepting you, everybody is okay with the fact Amarr is the worst in every part, Weapons / suits . Deserved some love. At the contrary we're getting nerfed, again and again, the Armor plates nerf was needed, but is there something to compensate for US pure Amarr brick tanker ? No. Minmatarr Assault can strafe and is almost as fast as our scout. Just take a look.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 749	Posted - 2014.05.23 16:19:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: TheD1CK wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We know that Amarr needs some love, please have patience. We can't do everything at once. They have the highest fitting available, decent starting HP, High stamina all at the cost of reduced speed ^^ thats 3 pro's with 1 con There weaponry isn't spammed as often as other racial variants, as the Amarr weapons take skilled shooting They are not as easy spammed as CR/PR yet in combat they can take down any of their racial counterparts Basically what I am saying is beware... The parity between suits is closer that forum whiners would claim What we have now in Dust is suits that perform better in different situations and in terms of killing power The Amarr are in a good place, always have been but too many players repeatedly asking for buffs is a joke Variety is a good thing, if we pigeon-hole all of Dust514's niche classes then we might as well play BF4 We are hoping that with these changes, shields might get more popular and with it scramblers/lasers and with it Amarr dropsuits. We also will be taking a look at shields. That's the idea at least I will take some shields loving, I love my Caldari Sentinel! Its not as strong as the Armour heavies, but a small tweak to shields would put it in an amazing place. Granted I am talking as a forge gunner, I imagine it sucks for HMG work to be honest.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 1075	Posted - 2014.05.23 16:32:00 - [24] - Quote Mordecai... I'm willing to put all aside if you can My posts are probably the vice versa of me reading yours... so we are likely to argue Which is healthy as no one should have their opinion here go un-checked by opposing views Just please note ALL the facts in future, your suit is not the only one with drawbacks... The Matari are short on love as it is, the CR nerf which is needed will in turn nerf all Matari fits.. You see the issue here ^ our suits barely last 5 seconds in a fire-fight... so the CR putting someone down In that time frame was 100% necessary .... I'm not saying it shouldn't be nerfed, as it is OP But by removing its ability to quickly deal with targets, makes that 5 second survival time a lot tougher I do apologize for being argumentative, but reading your one-sided post hurt my Matari eye And as a gesture of good faith, I would like to run a few games with you this evening to see How a combo of our race's fittings perform in combat ... If interested, leave me a mail in-game 'D1CK by name' 'D1CK by nature'
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 696	Posted - 2014.05.23 16:36:00 - [25] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Mordecai... I'm willing to put all aside if you can My posts are probably the vice versa of me reading yours... so we are likely to argue Which is healthy as no one should have their opinion here go un-checked by opposing views Just please note ALL the facts in future, your suit is not the only one with drawbacks... The Matari are short on love as it is, the CR nerf which is needed will in turn nerf all Matari fits.. You see the issue here ^ our suits barely last 5 seconds in a fire-fight... so the CR putting someone down In that time frame was 100% necessary .... I'm not saying it shouldn't be nerfed, as it is OP But by removing its ability to quickly deal with targets, makes that 5 second survival time a lot tougher I do apologize for being argumentative, but reading your one-sided post hurt my Matari eye And as a gesture of good faith, I would like to run a few games with you this evening to see How a combo of our race's fittings perform in combat ... If interested, leave me a mail in-game Agree, we maybe gone too far Well a 2% damage nerf is....almost nothing. The CR damage profile is... Okay, i'll try ;)
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 1075	Posted - 2014.05.23 16:38:00 - [26] - Quote Indeed, it remains to be tested after hotfix alpha deploys... so it may not be as bad as it seems But I find with CCP it's best to bunker down and prepare for S*** to hit the fan 'D1CK by name' 'D1CK by nature'
THUNDERGROOVE The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 806	Posted - 2014.05.23 17:22:00 - [27] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Amarr suits have the highest CPU/PG. And normal armor plates will have the highest CPU/PG requirements. While Ferroscale/Reactives plates will be chaper. IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT MAKES SENSE Actually, Amarr suits don't have all that much more CPU/PG. Scouts with 5 in all base fitting skills: Scout ak.0 has 446 CPU and 92 PG Scout ck.0 has 457 CPU and 87 PG Scout gk.0 has 443 CPU and 97 PG Scout mk.0 has 480 CPU and 81 PG Logistics with 5 in all base fitting skills: Logistics ak.0 has 512 CPU and 95 PG Logistics ck.0 has 459 CPU and 102 PG Logistics gk.0 has 512 CPU and 102 PG Logistics mk.0 has 512 CPU and 102 PG Assaults with 5 in all base fitting skills: Assault ak.0 has 459 CPU and 92 PG Assault ck.0 has 394 CPU and 79 PG Assault gk.0 has 394 CPU and 79 PG Assault mk.0 has 420 CPU and 84 PG What does this mean? The assault is the only place this stereotype is even remotely true. The Amarr in most cases has the most fitting per slot but our weapons require in most cases double the PG. TDBS Fight heavy spam with plasma cannons!
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 464	Posted - 2014.05.23 17:36:00 - [28] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Amarr suits have the highest CPU/PG. And normal armor plates will have the highest CPU/PG requirements. While Ferroscale/Reactives plates will be chaper. IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT MAKES SENSE Hey, I like those dynamics. Reppers for Gallente with low requirements, plates for Amarr with high requirements.
THUNDERGROOVE The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 806	Posted - 2014.05.23 17:39:00 - [29] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: --snip-- This is a general reply to some of the things said. I really would wish that people wouldn't balance things around suits running all of their racial weaponry and suits built to be how their race dictates but that's not how DUST works. You have to remember that there are people who run Caldari logistics with more armor than my Amarr logistics. There are Gallente scouts with 500 armor and an ACR. There are Caldari assaults with scrambler rifles. There are Minmatar assaults with assault rifles instead of combat rifles. Just because the Minmatar rifle is very very good yet the suit is "bad" doesn't mean the nerf is unwarranted. I would also like you to remember all of the "Buff Minmatar stuff threads" that generally reach 20 pages of illiterate scrubs circle jerking eachother to the thought of having a 2 second delay and 35 shield regen while asking to nerf armor repairers and begging for their innate rep back. The same guys asking for the flaylock to be able to be used as a primary weapon again and think SMGs aren't good enough. I'm sure some of you know who I'm talking about. Just think about this when you try claiming Amarr loyalists are whiners, some of us just like shiny golden things and laz0rs while others like rust and explosions it's all just person preference in the end right? TDBS Fight heavy spam with plasma cannons!
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 918	Posted - 2014.05.24 00:41:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We know that Amarr needs some love, please have patience. We can't do everything at once. Maybe put a hold on LEGION and do what you can with Dust first.



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