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Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2014.05.23 06:59:00 -
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Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2014.05.23 07:26:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Alright here's some preliminary findings on the things I actually care about:
-Only the Amarr and Gallente will be able to beat a gallente focus scanner.
-Caldari and Minmatar will never beat a gallente focus scanner.
-In turn Cal and Min will never beat a Caldari scout.
long story short: Sucks to be a Minmatar scout even more than currently. Can I get a respec on my Minmatar scout? Not kidding about this.
have you checked if they can beat a 3 precision cal scout?
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Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2014.05.23 23:49:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:@ Parak
Nothing on smart spawn. Stunlock is on the table.
@ Eko
Read the thread then get back to me on the Minmatar Scout. Guys like Moody are concerned with good reason.
We have an answer.
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Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2014.05.25 03:47:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Cat Merc wrote:For the love of everything that's holy do not touch the Gallente dampening bonus.
It is the only ******* suit that can do anything about Caldari scouts.
All you need is one Caldari scout and yay, wall hack for the entire squad! Or remove shared vision for passive scans, and make people use actual teamwork instead It's still not enough. Passive scanning means that you can see a lot of enemies. Dampening means that you hide just yourself. Hence dampening should be stronger because it gives you less benefit. With the proposed change a Caldari scout will detect a Gal scout if both don't have modules on.
Yes this is a problem if both don't have modules on.
If he was unwilling to move on the gal change...what % change would be necessary to make the cal bonus not allow it to see the gal if both don't have modules on...and would sort of snowball affect would this minimum change incite overall in scanning at the min max level?
Specifically...if you could determine the minimum nerf rounded to a whole % would that nerf on the cal make it so with all proposed changes anything ELSE is now easier to evade on the cal?
Ex: Gal only need 1 slot to get under quad cal?
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Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2014.05.25 03:59:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:
Yes, but say that Cal has two.
Now that Gal needs two.
And say that Cal has three.
Now that Gal needs three.
It sounds fair at first, but as I already explained, dampening gives you less benefit.
Even if passive squad scanning was removed, you can still relay the general location of a cloaked scout to your squad.
I'm not contesting the premise.
I'm saying what sort of nerf to the cal owuld be required to bring it back into balance if he was adamant for w/e reason about nerfing the gal bonus, and would this nerf to the cal cause and snowball effects on the rest of e-war meta?
If so, pl0x give an example.
I'm already quite in agreeance with the theory bud.
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Posted - 2014.05.25 04:20:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Rattati, I would like to know why the 3hp/s armor reps is such an issue that you have to nerf it, when the Caldari Scout regenerates 50hp/s on shields.
You could argue "It's a free built in repairer!", but:
A. With the repairer buff, that is now comparable to an STD repairer rather than ADV
B. Caldari Assault + Complex Energizer still doesn't touch the Caldari Scout regen.
If you have sound reasoning, great, but I believe that reasoning can be applied to the Caldari scout regen.
I don't see why scouts should regenerate faster than assaults.
At this point I believe you're changing numbers for the sake of changing numbers.
Comparing it to the cal assault is flawed. COmpare it to the another scout, perhaps specifically the min scout.
comparing the gal nerf of 3reps/s and trying to justify a buff or nerf intrinsically through a comparison to the cal regen seems like apples and oranges.
they aren't similar enough I feel like to be convincing.
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Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2014.05.25 04:41:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:
You're right.
They aren't similar.
The Cal Scout beats the crap out of the Gallente scout in regen.
I'm saying, if the 3hp/s is a problem, so should the massive regen the Caldari scout has.
There's no data showing that the regen on the cal makes it that amazing in competitive play.
If cal scouts can't get under all scans after hotfix alpha (unless I missed something) i think it's regen will be ever more important.
IMO wtf did they not give heavies 3 reps/s instead of gal?
wtf. anyways,
Better to wait and see with the proposed changes and focus on the main point of not nerfing the gal's bonus IMO.
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Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2014.05.25 07:11:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:I looked at the scan profile and precision of both scouts. The galente scout beats the precision from a caldari scout by 0.3DB. Which means that a caldari scout will not see a galente scout without the usage of modules. When the galente scout uses 1 profile dampener the caldari will need 2 precision mods to see him. And the range nerf on passive scans is a drop in the bucket.
Ya know after the changes im still going to have a passive scan range of 45m with 1 complex range amp (gal scout). Before i had 54m scan range with the same setup. Which means you took 9m away. Well i still have my 50% increase from the other skill so meh.
TL:DR
-1 profile dampener on GK.0>1 precision enhancer on CK.0
Just saying...saying it was .3 under doesn't tell us ****.
cause if the cal's precision is 14.99 and the gal's is 14.01 guess what...the gal got scanned.
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