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CCP Rattati wrote:

Dear players,

we are back with most of the numbers that can be discussed. A few things are under technical evaluation but these are the stats we are proposing for Hotfix Alpha.

Here are the numbers Hotfix Alpha Numbers

Due to popular demand and community reasoning, we are making a few strategic changes.

1) We are not reducing Minmatar Commando speed at this time, it stays the same.
XXX 2) We are probably going to move the Gallente Scout repair rate over to the Amarr Scout. The "probably" is now "not"
3) We are going to change cloak dampening to be slightly above zero for Advanced and Prototype, albeit at lower rates

So, please review the list and give us feedback in this thread.

These concerns deserve special mention, as they were mentioned a lot.

Scouts and EWAR - the intention was never to "fix" the EWAR meta with Hotfix Alpha. Just to force players to make a choice between being completely unscannable or scannable and invisible.
Swarms as AV - We don't want to change too many things at the same time. Improving swarms to counter tanks, will affect dropships as well.
Changing swarms from Explosive to Hybrid is not a direction we want to take, even if it would give Calmandos an AV edge. We are more looking at granting some sort of AV bonuses to all Commandos.

Again, thanks for the constructive and positive feedback,
CCP Rattati


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Eko Sol Strange Playings 368	Posted - 2014.05.23 20:43:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Dear players, we are back with most of the numbers that can be discussed. A few things are under technical evaluation but these are the stats we are proposing for Hotfix Alpha. Here are the numbers Hotfix Alpha Numbers Due to popular demand and community reasoning, we are making a few strategic changes. 1) We are not reducing Minmatar Commando speed at this time, it stays the same. XXX 2) We are probably going to move the Gallente Scout repair rate over to the Amarr Scout. The "probably" is now "not" 3) We are going to change cloak dampening to be slightly above zero for Advanced and Prototype, albeit at lower rates So, please review the list and give us feedback in this thread. These concerns deserve special mention, as they were mentioned a lot. Scouts and EWAR - the intention was never to "fix" the EWAR meta with Hotfix Alpha. Just to force players to make a choice between being completely unscannable or scannable and invisible. Swarms as AV - We don't want to change too many things at the same time. Improving swarms to counter tanks, will affect dropships as well. Changing swarms from Explosive to Hybrid is not a direction we want to take, even if it would give Calmandos an AV edge. We are more looking at granting some sort of AV bonuses to all Commandos. Again, thanks for the constructive and positive feedback, CCP Rattati I hate to say this but this is pretty darn good. The proposed values make a lot of sense. I think that should be what is used while moving forward. I wish Swarm Missile speed was increased by 25% but can't get everything. The only gripe I have is the decrease in damage for nades. I think a much better progression should be: 300 - STD/MLT 450 - ADV 600 - Proto PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 369	Posted - 2014.05.23 21:17:00 - [2] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Please consider tying cloaking device profile dampening to the cloaking device operation skill instead of just practically nixing it altogether otherwise you will just be screwing the meta again in terrible ways - cal scouts will scan everything and gallente scouts will still be invisible to everything. Cal and min scouts as stated will have 0 answer to gallogi pro focused scans and in most cases won't even be able to fight other cal scout scans. Make it an investment to get that dampening while cloaked! Excellent idea. Being scanned by scanning specialists is perfectly find and balance. I run double dampener on almost all of my Min Scout fits. Occasionally when I have to act as assault support I only use one. That being said, A few specialized fits used to detect me is perfectly balanced. Stop whining. It's fine. And Cal and Min AND Amarr Scouts will have plenty of answers. If you get scanned, then you stick near the organized group and provide assault type support until the scan is gone and then get to scouting again. You also have to remember that the scans aren't 360 degrees. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 371	Posted - 2014.05.23 22:14:00 - [3] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Eko Sol wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Please consider tying cloaking device profile dampening to the cloaking device operation skill instead of just practically nixing it altogether otherwise you will just be screwing the meta again in terrible ways - cal scouts will scan everything and gallente scouts will still be invisible to everything. Cal and min scouts as stated will have 0 answer to gallogi pro focused scans and in most cases won't even be able to fight other cal scout scans. Make it an investment to get that dampening while cloaked! Excellent idea. Being scanned by scanning specialists is perfectly find and balance. I run double dampener on almost all of my Min Scout fits. Occasionally when I have to act as assault support I only use one. That being said, A few specialized fits used to detect me is perfectly balanced. Stop whining. It's fine. And Cal and Min AND Amarr Scouts will have plenty of answers. If you get scanned, then you stick near the organized group and provide assault type support until the scan is gone and then get to scouting again. You also have to remember that the scans aren't 360 degrees. The merc in position 1000 on the leaderboards has over twice your experience. But being a cherry doesn't make you wrong. Being wrong makes you wrong. Move along. That's cute. You believe you outrank me. I get it. You think that everyone should be unscannable if they are a scout. So sweet. Unfortunately, this isn't candy crush son...it's an adult game where sometimes things aren't your way but are still balanced. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 373	Posted - 2014.05.24 00:22:00 - [4] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Parak Nothing on smart spawn. Stunlock is on the table. @ Eko Read the thread then get back to me on the Minmatar Scout. Guys like Moody are concerned with good reason. I've played with Moody. I've watched his Videos. He is exceptionally skilled in comparison to me. That being said, I never had a problem with playing the game as a Min Scout when it says "You've been Scanned". If I get scanned then "oh well". To me, it's someone who took the time, CPU/PG, and effort and pointed at the 60 degrees at the perfect time and found me. Why should I ask for anything to make that persons life any harder? It's not easy having only one scan per 15+ seconds. In addition there is only one scanner that can pick up a double dampened Min Scout as is and still only one with the Gal Bonus. There is a limited number of people that use either. If I come across them then fine. I'll deal. In addition to all of that, if a scan is successful it doesn't mean they win. It never meant that. Nerfing Cloak Dampening is fine. I want you to know that this drastically nerfs my ability as a Min Scout to get RE's on tanks. Do you know what it's like to run a paper thin-ish type min scout with two dampeners while cloaked to bypass 90% of cal scouts to get a single RE or two on a Tank? It is hard already. Now it's that much harder. I can't just sneak up behind the cal scout, I have to take him out or move even faster then before. 75% of my AV is getting nerfed and I'm not complaining. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 376	Posted - 2014.05.24 18:08:00 - [5] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Eko With respect, you don't participate in competitive play. Your perspectives differ from those like Moody who do. 'Getting by' in pubs is not a measure of balance. I have done PC, and more often recently. I took out 2 tanks with RE's and AV nades from Gods Among Men. I ran Min Scout against John Sheapard....he crushed me but that isn't the point. The point is, I manage as a min scout and I, personally, don't believe the cloak nerf is as impacting as it seems. I think everyone is entitled to their opinion on what this will do. All of that being said, I believe that the nerf to how long you can be cloaked ON TOP OF the Dampening nerf is going to make cloaks completely unnecessary to me. Although I run basic cloak, the ADV cloak fitting costs don't justify the invisibility (The ADV cloak will become the same as the original basic cloak). I rather run Hives and RE's then Run Cloak and RE's now. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 379	Posted - 2014.05.25 09:44:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: For the love of everything that's holy do not touch the Gallente dampening bonus. It is the only ******* suit that can do anything about Caldari scouts. All you need is one Caldari scout and yay, wall hack for the entire squad! This isn't true. The Cal scout is OP because it transfers it's tacnet to squad mates. That should be fixed IMO. Or everyone should get my Min Hack Bonus and everyone on your team should get your Gal bonus, etc. They shouldn't share Tacnet displays. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...