I had this on my list as a a gentler mode post academy and am seeking tech evaluation. Odds are against it if I am perfectly honest.

Why squad free playlists are in nearly every console shooter for a reason and would go a long way to help out newbs being stomped. Its that protosuits are the problem persay but that fact its 6 protosuits all talking to each other that leads to the stomp

agreed

I would like if they just made public matches what they say in the discdription.
SOLO PLAYERS AND SMALL SQUADS
Key being SOLO and SMALL SQUADS
6 player squads are not small squads they are the same as all squads
3 player squads would be small squads

Still the tards that can't fight without full team of Q-synced proto would still exploit it but would make it harder to Q-sync. Or they could try and find a programmer that can make scotty do more than add all squads to one team and solo to the other.

Its a two pronged fork though isnt it.

On the one hand you have all of what you mentioned, which I understand and I am sure some are 'tards' as you put it.

On the other hand -think of the guys and girls in a corp that love to chat together and want to play together. They are flying their corp banner and it just makes a really enjoyable experience.

Other than PC (Which has issues.. lets just leave it there for now) there is no real way for teams to participate together other than q-syncing.

I had this on my list as a a gentler mode post academy and am seeking tech evaluation. Odds are against it if I am perfectly honest.

So the only way for a corp to have a enjoyable experience in Pub matches is to Q-sync so the odds are in there favor?
A balanced even fight is not enjoyable because it will hurt there KDR? there quick grind to CAP SP? there only way to enjoy by griefing those that can't or don't do the same as them?
I play solo 99% of the time. I know I have the option to join a squad to increase the chance of winning through team work but I don't have the endless isk to run proto as if it was milita free starter fits. Just the same players like me or low level players can't run proto non stop. What of there enjoyable experience? I know who cares about there enjoyable experience as long as the proto Q-synced corps have there enjoyable experience.
The goal is for everyone to have a equal chance of a enjoyable experience.

Okay, so then you just basically admited, that you are part of the problem. When you do not squad, people do not get the intel from you, you also do not get their intel, they can't get your active scans, they don't know who is going to have their back. I do not Q-sync, but I know for a fact just by playing in a squad you are greatly increasing your survivability and helping your team out more, especially if you get in a decent squad where the leader does actual oribital strikes and places down objectives.

People in Protos aren't gods, they aren't even that awesome most of the time, the problem is you are making yourselves easy targets, by traveling alone, fighting alone. Unless you are a scout or doing recon work you should always be looking to have a buddy nearby. In fact I probably hunt people like you, because if you die no one is going to come looking to kill me, to them you are just some idiot blueberry that wondered off and got himself squashed.

Now their are a few corps where the proto stomp is strong with them, but that's cause they also usually are doing FOTM and tanks which are another FOTM, but most corps are honestly looking to have fun, they are looking for the intense gun battles and don't care if they die. The corps that are looking for grinding and caring so much about kdr are asses and people generally know them by name or figure it out very quickly. Don't lump all corps who do the syncing up as the same thing.

Sorry but no. I am not going to stop playing with my friends because you are anti social. Just because people are squaded up does not mean that they all run proto. Besides, you wouldn't even be able to tell if was in squad or not if i'm playing with friends from several different corps.

Especially in a game like dust where interdependence between roles and suits, and the use of teamwork is highly encouraged and designed into the game i fail to understand why CCPwould undermine that and limit squad plqyy at all.

I play a solo scout. I don't squad because I just want to get in game and have fun not wait for an hour to get a squad together then wait for a squad member on a phone call or whatever. Also I don't squad because I don't want a squad member getting me killed when i'm trying to sneak up behind someone because of the shared passive scan that was supposed to be removed long ago. I don't use voice chat because I don't want to hear burping, babies crying, moms screaming, etc.
So Yeah I am part of the problem because I only play Public Contracts that in it's description says
"for SOLO PLAYERS and SMALL SQUADS"

Yes I am an idiot blueberry that hunts for other solo players or small groups and sneaks in and hacks objectives while everyone else is engaged in big battle elsewhere. It's not uncommon to find a solo heavy guarding objectives or even small groups of 3 that I can take on solo and have a great time doing it as a scout using a dragonfly scout with toxin ar. Then you have the Q-synced proto stomp where it don't matter because your on the team full of idiot blueberries and we come to your point of
that is the only way they can enjoy the game is to q-sync proto stomp a pub match full of idiot blueberries because they can't enjoy a fair match

There are more than a few. If there is 1 full corp squad on a team you can be sure they are all in proto. Me personally if I was in a full corp squad or regulars I would run militia or std to train team work for later using adv in FW and proto in PC. But hey I'm just an idiot blueberry that wants a fair fight and to enjoy the game.

Wow....I never knew that my miltia gear magically warped into proto gear just cause I was in a squad with my corp members....yeah I use militia gear cause I want to have fun in the pubs and save my isk, typically in a bpo heavy or light suit. The corps you are complaining about are the PC corps whom literally have hundreads of millions or billions worth of isk. (there are around 5-7 corps that are this way) Also more then half the people in corps when doing FW also use milita gear, because they don't want to loose the good gear before a PC match, if they are able to even attend.

For your waiting times for squads....just join a match randomly join in a squad, see if they flow with your style and if they don't quit them. Their are also many different channels where you can find squads being formed, along with the squad finder. Passive scan was supposed to be removed for the entire team, not for the squads, if it was removed for the squads that would just be well stuipid. If you don't want to listen to people or crying babies or whatever, you deactivate the voice. You are not forced to listen to anyone it is very easy to toggle voice chat on or off. I have never waited an hour or an hour and a half for a squad, I have never had to just deal with noise on the voice chat either.

Also, a squad of six is not that big honestly, sure CCP could cut the squads down to the size of 4, so that 4 squads of 4 could be in each match, but the idea was that eventually games were going to be 24v24 or 32v32 and bigger numbers like that, where a squad of six really would not be that big of a deal.

For your complaint about squad members getting you killed, I really have yet to have that happen more then once or twice, I'm usually more likely to find the a-hole that is team killing everyone in FW till they get kicked from the match.

For Q-syncing, that happens only rarely and if you see the entire other team being 1 corp, either get out your cheap suits, go sniper, or just race around the map in an LAV or quit the match, sometimes though people can be good enough to combat against these people, but often times not because of how Scotty makes matches. Mainly what these people want back is the corp vs corp pub battles, if they were given that, mostly they would keep out of your pubs.

I like the idea, but then again....


You wouldn't need team orientated game modes if you were running solo......


an ffa match would be the best choice. No squads, every man for himself.

Just imagine, an ambush, without teams. :)

Mode game modes lead to longer queue times and poorer match making as players are divided between modes.



It's highly likely that current playerbase can't support more modes than AMB, SKIRM, DOM, FW Amarr-Min, FW Cald-Gall multiplied by the region servers. (that's 20 combos already, not counting PC.)

This seems like a good idea, but until AV is fixed this will just be another kill farm for tanks.