From what I understand, basically Dust is a full-time beta again like in 2012 except now it's a beta for a game on another platform. Which doesn't bother me as much as it did (now that I've calmed down from fanfest) because I remembered something. I remembered the reason I joined this Beta back in 2012 was because I wanted to help build the greatest persistent shooter ever made.

So, in the spirit of beta testing, here are my thoughts on moving forward with AV versus Vehicles:



We reduce the price of all vehicles and vehicle modules down to dropsuit equivalent ISK values and buff the hell out of all AV weapons. Then spend a week testing it. If AV is too much, take AV down a touch and try another week of testing. Test Tuesday day through Friday, collect feedback Saturday through Monday, make adjustments on Monday, test Tuesday through Friday, etc.

Then once AV v V gets mostly good feedback on the forums, you have gotten close to balance. You can crank tank prices back up AND have good data to send over to the balancing team in the PC port. Then you can make minor tweaks to AV or vehicles to fine-tune the balance. The idea is to get things close first, and right now they are FAR from close.

Balance = Any one player when running AV gear should have a chance against any one person driving a vehicle. A MLT AR can kill a protosuit in the right hands, the same should be said about MLT AV and fully specced tanks. There is one person driving the tank, so it should take one person to kill the tank. Period.

As it stands now - A proto prof. 5 swarm cannot break the rep cycle of vehicles, so a MLT swarm has no chance. Swarms need their projectile speed jacked way up, their original clip size returned, and their original damage back. AV grenades are completely useless unless they are packed, and even then there's only 2 now so our AV grenade damage has been dropped by 33.333_%. Make the packed damage the basic AV nade damage, then bump it up from there. Forge guns are mostly good right now, but they seem to still misfire occasionally and the lower tiers could use a slight damage bump. There is no reason why Plasma Cannons shouldn't do as much damage as a forge gun. The projectile is easily avoided, you have far less ammo, and your clip size is one. You already OHK 99% of all suits with it anyway, so I say make the PLC do equal damage to the breach forge gun.

I respect you guys... but you guys run b*tch fits.

Particle Cannons, mostly.

Hey Spkr! Your bitchass is being ignored!^

I am saying a "good" person in a free AV suit who fights ANY tank stupid enough to stick around long enough should be able to kill a tank, yes. No vehicle should be able to squat on territory indefinitely when being hit by AV, regardless of tier.

And someone please inform Spkr his brain dead comments are being ignored, I don't have the energy to do it myself.

Yes any one infantry can take out a vehicle equally as easy as a tank takes an infantry out if said infantry unit gets in a fkn tank to begin with.

So you're not enough of an adult to have a conversation with me yourself? I pray you don't have children.

So you're not enough of an adult to have a conversation with me yourself? I pray you don't have children.

I've had more than enough conversations with you and English Snake over the last 2 years to last a lifetime. I'd rather not rehash the exact same bullshitt arguments you pull outta your ass every time I talk to you, so I leave it to others to deal with your drivel. Have fun with that.

Yet you still want an AR to actually do damage to a tank. I can't have a serious conversation with someone that believes that.

Him not having a conversation with you is actually the mature and "adult" thing to do, as your opinion is about as well regarded as a Tabloid.

It wouldn't accomplish anything, as you'd only repeat the same arguments that Baal, I, and just about everyone from the AV Community has constantly disproved since last year.

Though I sincerely hope that it is you who does not have children, as you'll probably raise them to believe that they are superior/better than another human.

I don't want kids anyway. I decided that a long time ago.

You all convinced CCP a while ago that the only opinion that matters on vehicles is infantry's opinion, and CCP doesn't consider the operator's opinion at all.

If your blasters and instant infantry killers get nerfed your tanks can be better fyi.

No, it does not require 2-4 people to operate.

I don't want kids anyway. I decided that a long time ago.

You all convinced CCP a while ago that the only opinion that matters on vehicles is infantry's opinion, and CCP doesn't consider the operator's opinion at all.

The true power of the dropship is when it is fully loaded with an experienced crew, i simply cannot put out the kind of fire power or have the same tactical diversity without a good crew.

I have to run an Ishukone FG just to be able to have a chance at dropping HAV's and dropships without too many reloads. It usually takes 6-7 shots at armored HAV's. But after 3 shots, HAV's don't hang around. The charge up time needs to be brought back to the way it was before and increase the splash radius a tad.

Buff the Breach Forges back to their old damage values. AS of right now I see no reason to use it over the Assault FG. Infantry AV in general is pathetic right now (and fools here say "balance is almost achieved!" GTFOut of here with that lopsided nonsense. Seriously, eat dirt and go kick rocks.

AV is still TOO WEAK. Don't complain about FG dmage on Dropships either. I've sat with my Proto Breach forge with 3 Damage Mods Prof. 5 and shot at a good ADS pilot in all modes. What do the pilots ALWAYS do? Afterburner to heaven, come back down, kill the AV guy.

Don't bs me with the "you need teamwork der DERRRR DERRR", it should be- 1 vehicle of ANY kind= 1 av guy needed to kill him.

Infantry AV is PATHETIC right now, you'd be a fool not to use an ADS or counter tank to kill vehicles.
I had to spec SP into stupid vehicles due to how useless AV is now. I hate tanks, I hate using them, but what choice left is there to kill good pilots?

This^