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Moonracer2000
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.05.17 23:49:00 -
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I'm not sure if this is possible as a "server side" only option but it has been in my head a lot lately.
Just like rifles have 'assault variants' this would be just another mass driver. same look and feel, same fire rate. The only difference would be that it fired a round that functioned closer to a flux grenade. Decent blast radius, high damage boost to shields, very high damage penalty to armor. It is essentially the same weapon with different ammunition.
I was originally imagining this as a heavy weapon type (since that would flip that suits role to more of a frontline support/suppressor) but that seems unlikely. Though perhaps It could be treated as a new heavy weapon? Just make the Flux variant require heavy skills and require a heavy slot. No new model needed. Justify it with a much higher ammo reserve.
Just a wild idea.
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1225
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Posted - 2014.05.17 23:53:00 -
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Make it like the Assault but with just shield damage (equipment spam's nightmare) and yes.
Though, the ability to do that server side is questionable. I mean, the assets are all there, I just don't know if they meddle that much.
+1
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Hoover Damn
H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.05.18 08:43:00 -
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Oh, sure, by all means, let's add yet more weapons to attack shield tankers. In case there weren't enough already.
"Any job worth doing with a laser is worth doing with many, many lasers." - Unknown
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V.
1333
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Posted - 2014.05.18 14:33:00 -
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Hoover Damn wrote:Oh, sure, by all means, let's add yet more weapons to attack shield tankers. In case there weren't enough already.
But if its flux it would not do damage to armor... I would use a pure flux mass driver, even if it didnt do any dame to armor simply because it would creat oppenings for my squad mates
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
8671
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Posted - 2014.05.18 17:44:00 -
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Moonracer2000 wrote:I'm not sure if this is possible as a "server side" only option but it has been in my head a lot lately.
Yes, it is possible to implement this as a server side option.
CCP Rattati wrote: GÇó A clarification on GÇ£server side changesGÇ£ versus GÇ£client updatesGÇ£. Most of the attributes of items can be changed in our backend system, called CATMA. GÇó Adding new weapons and dropsuits with existing functionality, changing weapon damage, dropsuit hp and slots, pg and cpu values, and most of the values needed for balancing items and roles can be changed during server downtime.
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Though I would love a Flux Mass Driver. It'd really help clear out those uplinks being spammed all over the place.
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Hoover Damn
H.A.R.V.E.S.T. Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.05.19 04:13:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Hoover Damn wrote:Oh, sure, by all means, let's add yet more weapons to attack shield tankers. In case there weren't enough already. But if its flux it would not do damage to armor... I would use a pure flux mass driver, even if it didnt do any dame to armor simply because it would creat oppenings for my squad mates Yeah there should be a weapon that just attacks armour. Instantly knocks your armour down to at least of half it's base value. To 'create openings' for your squadmates, as you put it.
Totally fair, right?
"Any job worth doing with a laser is worth doing with many, many lasers." - Unknown
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
712
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Posted - 2014.05.19 07:27:00 -
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I'd prefer AV rounds. The MD is pretty good against equipment already.
Because, that's why.
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Moonracer2000
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.05.19 10:15:00 -
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An AV round variant wouldn't be a bad idea. It would be far more practical than the plasma cannon.
I think one problem with making a 'flux' variant Mass driver would be how powerful a commando would be if they carried one of each. Fire off a flux, switch to a regular Mass driver and eat away at their armor. Not sure if that would be too good of a combo.
And I agree with people that it should do little, if any armor damage. At most something like 190% shields and 10% armor damage? And the total shield damage should be nothing close to what a flux grenade can do.
I still feel like this makes more sense as a heavy weapon (and more interesting). You'd be incredibly useful in a group, but unlikely to get many kills on your own. Unless you matched it with the right sidearm and were good with both. It would offer a different role for heavy class and encourage teamwork.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.05.19 13:07:00 -
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Hoover Damn wrote:Oh, sure, by all means, let's add yet more weapons to attack shield tankers. In case there weren't enough already. The majority of weapons are anti armor. *The more you know*
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.05.19 13:08:00 -
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Hoover Damn wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Hoover Damn wrote:Oh, sure, by all means, let's add yet more weapons to attack shield tankers. In case there weren't enough already. But if its flux it would not do damage to armor... I would use a pure flux mass driver, even if it didnt do any dame to armor simply because it would creat oppenings for my squad mates Yeah there should be a weapon that just attacks armour. Instantly knocks your armour down to at least of half it's base value. To 'create openings' for your squadmates, as you put it. Totally fair, right? Armor takes forever to regenerate. If armor is removed, you die.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.05.19 13:15:00 -
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Hoover Damn wrote:Oh, sure, by all means, let's add yet more weapons to attack shield tankers. In case there weren't enough already.
Anti-shield weapons: Plasma rifle Scrambler rifle Ion pistol Laser rifle Scrambler pistol Plasma cannon Shotgun Flux grenade
Anti-armour weapons: Combat rifle Rail rifle HMG SMG Magsec SMG Bolt pistol Sniper rifle Flaylock Mass driver Forge gun Swarm launcher Locus grenade Remote explosive
I'm curious as to why you'd get indignant about more anti-shield weapons when there are in fact more anti-armour weapons than anti-shield weapons. Especially as about half of the anti-shield weapons can be discounted as useless.
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Zaria Min Deir
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback
657
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Posted - 2014.05.19 13:43:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Though I would love a Flux Mass Driver. It'd really help clear out those uplinks being spammed all over the place. Um... or you could use the regular mass driver? Which clears out equipment very efficiently, as a matter of fact. It didn't use to be that amazing at it, but after the huge nerf to equipment HP? Does a fantastic job.
Have you considered installing the improved keyboard?
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CCP Rattati
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.19 14:15:00 -
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Logibro and I put this on our list. Wouldn't a mass driver with a damage profile 150% against shields and 50% against armour. Or something along those lines. Not designed at all but can be done.
I thought of this a while ago actually, just imaging to flux the living daylights out of a heavily defended area.
In the current armor rich environment, I place this as future counter against a shield imbalance.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.05.19 14:26:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Logibro and I put this on our list. Wouldn't a mass driver with a damage profile 150% against shields and 50% against armour. Or something along those lines. Not designed at all but can be done.
I thought of this a while ago actually, just imaging to flux the living daylights out of a heavily defended area.
In the current armor rich environment, I place this as future counter against a shield imbalance.
Assault plasma cannon? Essentially, a more shield focused mass driver.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Spike Slania
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.05.19 14:45:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Logibro and I put this on our list. Wouldn't a mass driver with a damage profile 150% against shields and 50% against armour. Or something along those lines. Not designed at all but can be done.
I thought of this a while ago actually, just imaging to flux the living daylights out of a heavily defended area.
In the current armor rich environment, I place this as future counter against a shield imbalance.
Though wouldn't this in the end become Gallente or Amarr tech? Since their weapons are anti shield. Though it would be nice to see Amarr with another weapon, this sounds more like a plasma type weapon.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.19 14:48:00 -
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Hoover Damn wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Hoover Damn wrote:Oh, sure, by all means, let's add yet more weapons to attack shield tankers. In case there weren't enough already. But if its flux it would not do damage to armor... I would use a pure flux mass driver, even if it didnt do any dame to armor simply because it would creat oppenings for my squad mates Yeah there should be a weapon that just attacks armour. Instantly knocks your armour down to at least of half it's base value. To 'create openings' for your squadmates, as you put it. Totally fair, right? So basically a Breach Mass Driver?
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.19 14:50:00 -
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Zaria Min Deir wrote:Atiim wrote:Though I would love a Flux Mass Driver. It'd really help clear out those uplinks being spammed all over the place. Um... or you could use the regular mass driver? Which clears out equipment very efficiently, as a matter of fact. It didn't use to be that amazing at it, but after the huge nerf to equipment HP? Does a fantastic job. But could you imagine the tears when someone runs a Flux & Assault MD on a MinCommando?
They'd be delicious.
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Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
447
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Posted - 2014.05.19 14:52:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Logibro and I put this on our list. Wouldn't a mass driver with a damage profile 150% against shields and 50% against armour. Or something along those lines. Not designed at all but can be done.
I thought of this a while ago actually, just imaging to flux the living daylights out of a heavily defended area.
In the current armor rich environment, I place this as future counter against a shield imbalance. ...Why can't this be a PLC variant? |
Moonracer2000
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.05.19 14:59:00 -
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At this point in development I think (hope) most players would be flexible with reusing existing content to make new items.
I would not be opposed to copy pasting the mass driver into a new weapon and altering the damage type. Give it a new name and say it is a racial variant. If such a thing could be done. Balance wise this would make a lot more sense, since no other weapon offers a variant that has the damage type flipped like this (that I can think of).
And if it can be done, it opens the door to many other weapon possibilities. Like the sniper rifle converted to an AV anti-material rifle I saw someone pitched elsewhere.
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
644
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Posted - 2014.05.19 16:50:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Logibro and I put this on our list. Wouldn't a mass driver with a damage profile 150% against shields and 50% against armour. Or something along those lines. Not designed at all but can be done.
I thought of this a while ago actually, just imaging to flux the living daylights out of a heavily defended area.
In the current armor rich environment, I place this as future counter against a shield imbalance. Assault plasma cannon? Essentially, a more shield focused mass driver.
I like this idea. Won't tell you why though!
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CLONE117
True Pros Forever
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Posted - 2014.05.19 21:52:00 -
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a mass driver that shoots flux grenades plus single forge gun round= dead shield tank.. that sounds nice.
though im guessing it would also make a great equipment spam remover.
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Pseudogenesis
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.05.20 07:27:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Logibro and I put this on our list. Wouldn't a mass driver with a damage profile 150% against shields and 50% against armour. Or something along those lines. Not designed at all but can be done.
I thought of this a while ago actually, just imaging to flux the living daylights out of a heavily defended area.
In the current armor rich environment, I place this as future counter against a shield imbalance. Assault plasma cannon? Essentially, a more shield focused mass driver.
Please yes
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killian178
S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance
18
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Posted - 2014.05.21 04:35:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Logibro and I put this on our list. Wouldn't a mass driver with a damage profile 150% against shields and 50% against armour. Or something along those lines. Not designed at all but can be done.
I thought of this a while ago actually, just imaging to flux the living daylights out of a heavily defended area.
In the current armor rich environment, I place this as future counter against a shield imbalance. I've ran the MD since open beta began, and after I found flux grenades, I've dreamt of wielding their bastard child on the battlefield, the MD isn't hard to use, but it's hard to master. This would be my favorite thing since the commando. |
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.05.21 17:25:00 -
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yeah this is an awesome idea we should get a flux and av variant |
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