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The-Errorist wrote:

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Here is my plan to fixing a lot of these problems

Problem:
Shield extenders don't have a balanced progression

Solution:
Make enhanced shield extenders give 44 HP instead of 33; 22/44/66 makes a hole lot more sense.

Problem:
Armor plates give too much HP for the amount of PG they take up.

Solution:
Instead of making armor plate take up high CPU and low PG, reverse that in a balanced way like how armor plates for vehicles and EVE are more PG intensive than CPU. Its crazy how plates take up less PG than shield extenders.

Problem:
Reactives and ferroscales are rarely used compared to regular plates

Solutions:
Increase speed penalty for normal plates to 3/5/7%

Make ferroscales cost as much as regular plates.

Change ferroscale plates to have a consistent progression of 30/55/75 HP instead of their current 35/50/75.

Change reactives to 25/47/69 and give them all a 2hp/s repair rate like the standard armor repair module and make the speed penalty 1/2/3%

Problem:
Armor repair modules aren't used as much as they should and they don't have a balanced repair progression

Solution:
Make repair modules give 2/4/6 HP/s.

Problems:
Shield rechargers and energizers aren't being used as much and shield regulators take up too much resources for its small bonus, making them not worth taking up a slot.

Solutions:
Lower PG/CPU cost of shield rechargers, energizers, and regulators a little.
Give rechargers and energizers a small buff
Give regulators a normal sized buff
Make rechargers & energizers low slot modules.
Fix Amarr's. Minmatars, and Caldari's basic frame and assaults slot layouts. Basically, here's what a assault/logi's slot layout & progression should be:

Give the Cal logistics 3 equip slots at STD. Also 4 equip at PRO (reduce mod slot from 9 to 8 in exchange).
Give all assaults the same number of mod slots.
Equalize the mod slot layouts for assaults & logis of the same race & tier:
Make medium frames become something in between the specialized assaults and logis by having 2 equipments slots

Assault & logi STD (high/low)
Am: 2/4
Ga: 2/4
Ca: 4/2 (+1 equip for logi)
Min: 3/3

Assault & logi ADV
Am: 2/5
Ga: 3/4
Ca: 5/2
Min: 4/3

Assault & logi PRO
Am: 3/5
Ga: 3/5
Ca: 5/3 (+1 equip for logi)
Min: 4/4

After these changes, we'll see what would need to be retweaked. What do you guys think?Copy pated from https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2172963#post2172963

Here is my plan to fixing a lot of these problems

Problem:
Shield extenders don't have a balanced progression

Solution:
Make enhanced shield extenders give 44 HP instead of 33; 22/44/66 makes a hole lot more sense.

Problem:
Armor plates give too much HP for the amount of PG they take up.

Solution:
Instead of making armor plate take up high CPU and low PG, reverse that in a balanced way like how armor plates for vehicles and EVE are more PG intensive than CPU. Its crazy how plates take up less PG than shield extenders.

Problem:
Reactives and ferroscales are rarely used compared to regular plates

Solutions:
Increase speed penalty for normal plates to 3/5/7%

Make ferroscales cost as much as regular plates.

Change ferroscale plates to have a consistent progression of 30/55/75 HP instead of their current 35/50/75.

Change reactives to 25/47/69 and give them all a 2hp/s repair rate like the standard armor repair module and make the speed penalty 1/2/3%

Problems:
Shield rechargers and energizers aren't being used as much and shield regulators take up too much resources for its small bonus, making them not worth taking up a slot.

Solutions:
Lower PG/CPU cost of shield rechargers, energizers, and regulators a little.
Give rechargers and energizers a small buff
Give regulators a normal sized buff
Make rechargers & energizers low slot modules.
Fix Amarr's. Minmatars, and Caldari's basic frame and assaults slot layouts. Basically, here's what a assault/logi's slot layout & progression should be:

Give the Cal logistics 3 equip slots at STD. Also 4 equip at PRO (reduce mod slot from 9 to 8 in exchange).
Give all assaults the same number of mod slots.
Equalize the mod slot layouts for assaults & logis of the same race & tier:
Make medium frames become something in between the specialized assaults and logis by having 2 equipments slots

Assault & logi STD (high/low)
Am: 2/4
Ga: 2/4
Ca: 4/2 (+1 equip for logi)
Min: 3/3

Assault & logi ADV
Am: 2/5
Ga: 3/4
Ca: 5/2
Min: 4/3

Assault & logi PRO
Am: 3/5
Ga: 3/5
Ca: 5/3 (+1 equip for logi)
Min: 4/4

After these changes, we'll see what would need to be retweaked. What do you guys think?

"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


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CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 1042	Posted - 2014.05.16 14:54:00 - [1] - Quote We need a lively discussion on this one. Status update (yes I know you know) Plates are being used to stack EHP in over abundance. There is little drawback to that strategy and the other options are not competitive/viable. This is having a big effect on the landscape, both brick tanked scouts and heavies, making scramblers/flux weapons out of place. I would like to hear ideas on how to remedy that. For insight, these are the armor modules ordered by consumption 1. Plates 2. Repair 3. Reactive 4. Ferroscale out of the three plates, normal plates are 85& prevalent and the other two split the difference. How to make them viable, and also a bonus question, can "active" armor tanking be viable without being OP. My GA sentinel with 4 pro reps is not competitive, fun, but not competitive. Discuss. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 1123	Posted - 2014.05.17 00:58:00 - [2] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Here's an illustrative example of just how hugely overpowered basic plates are, compared to their minuscule fitting costs. http://i.imgur.com/SDHzvbp.png Like more please "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 1184	Posted - 2014.05.18 11:03:00 - [3] - Quote Absolutely fantastic feedback, we will be back with proposals in this spirit once we crunch our own numbers. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 1340	Posted - 2014.05.21 23:46:00 - [4] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Copy pated from https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2172963#post2172963 Here is my plan to fixing a lot of these problems Problem: Shield extenders don't have a balanced progression Solution: Make enhanced shield extenders give 44 HP instead of 33; 22/44/66 makes a hole lot more sense. Problem: Armor plates give too much HP for the amount of PG they take up. Solution: Instead of making armor plate take up high CPU and low PG, reverse that in a balanced way like how armor plates for vehicles and EVE are more PG intensive than CPU. Its crazy how plates take up less PG than shield extenders. Problem: Reactives and ferroscales are rarely used compared to regular plates Solutions: Increase speed penalty for normal plates to 3/5/7% Make ferroscales cost as much as regular plates. Change ferroscale plates to have a consistent progression of 30/55/75 HP instead of their current 35/50/75. Change reactives to 25/47/69 and give them all a 2hp/s repair rate like the standard armor repair module and make the speed penalty 1/2/3% Problem: Armor repair modules aren't used as much as they should and they don't have a balanced repair progression Solution: Make repair modules give 2/4/6 HP/s. Problems: Shield rechargers and energizers aren't being used as much and shield regulators take up too much resources for its small bonus, making them not worth taking up a slot. Solutions: Lower PG/CPU cost of shield rechargers, energizers, and regulators a little. Give rechargers and energizers a small buff Give regulators a normal sized buff Make rechargers & energizers low slot modules. Fix Amarr's. Minmatars, and Caldari's basic frame and assaults slot layouts. Basically, here's what a assault/logi's slot layout & progression should be: Give the Cal logistics 3 equip slots at STD. Also 4 equip at PRO (reduce mod slot from 9 to 8 in exchange). Give all assaults the same number of mod slots. Equalize the mod slot layouts for assaults & logis of the same race & tier: Make medium frames become something in between the specialized assaults and logis by having 2 equipments slots Assault & logi STD (high/low) Am: 2/4 Ga: 2/4 Ca: 4/2 (+1 equip for logi) Min: 3/3 Assault & logi ADV Am: 2/5 Ga: 3/4 Ca: 5/2 Min: 4/3 Assault & logi PRO Am: 3/5 Ga: 3/5 Ca: 5/3 (+1 equip for logi) Min: 4/4 After these changes, we'll see what would need to be retweaked. What do you guys think?Copy pated from https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2172963#post2172963 Here is my plan to fixing a lot of these problems Problem: Shield extenders don't have a balanced progression Solution: Make enhanced shield extenders give 44 HP instead of 33; 22/44/66 makes a hole lot more sense. Problem: Armor plates give too much HP for the amount of PG they take up. Solution: Instead of making armor plate take up high CPU and low PG, reverse that in a balanced way like how armor plates for vehicles and EVE are more PG intensive than CPU. Its crazy how plates take up less PG than shield extenders. Problem: Reactives and ferroscales are rarely used compared to regular plates Solutions: Increase speed penalty for normal plates to 3/5/7% Make ferroscales cost as much as regular plates. Change ferroscale plates to have a consistent progression of 30/55/75 HP instead of their current 35/50/75. Change reactives to 25/47/69 and give them all a 2hp/s repair rate like the standard armor repair module and make the speed penalty 1/2/3% Problems: Shield rechargers and energizers aren't being used as much and shield regulators take up too much resources for its small bonus, making them not worth taking up a slot. Solutions: Lower PG/CPU cost of shield rechargers, energizers, and regulators a little. Give rechargers and energizers a small buff Give regulators a normal sized buff Make rechargers & energizers low slot modules. Fix Amarr's. Minmatars, and Caldari's basic frame and assaults slot layouts. Basically, here's what a assault/logi's slot layout & progression should be: Give the Cal logistics 3 equip slots at STD. Also 4 equip at PRO (reduce mod slot from 9 to 8 in exchange). Give all assaults the same number of mod slots. Equalize the mod slot layouts for assaults & logis of the same race & tier: Make medium frames become something in between the specialized assaults and logis by having 2 equipments slots Assault & logi STD (high/low) Am: 2/4 Ga: 2/4 Ca: 4/2 (+1 equip for logi) Min: 3/3 Assault & logi ADV Am: 2/5 Ga: 3/4 Ca: 5/2 Min: 4/3 Assault & logi PRO Am: 3/5 Ga: 3/5 Ca: 5/3 (+1 equip for logi) Min: 4/4 After these changes, we'll see what would need to be retweaked. What do you guys think? Thanks, we are very much aligned on this proposal actually. Keep an eye out for our next formal communication. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"