DUST Search - Legion is going to crash and burn

Ribbons Allmark wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

I can't help but laugh at the OP. 1.8 is terrible?

Did you not visit these forums for the past several months? 1.8 is mostly compromised of the community's requests of changes. The very same community who complained about scanners after celebrating scanners getting warpoints for scanned kills. The very same community that wanted the AR nerfed, but now wants it buffed. The same community who wanted the RR nerfed, only to turn a blind eye to CR.

So to blame CCP entirely for 1.8 is ignorant of the truth. While not perfect, they have developed this game based around the concerns expressed by the community and they still say CCP is at fault. Hilarious, indeed.

Second, Legion is going to do fine. PC is where the majority of the FPS gaming community comes from. Until Halo 2 reached the kids, the majority of console based gamers knew nothing of FPS titles. In the world of PC, even games that console gamers would consider old and outdated FPS titles, are still being played today with a nice volume of active players.

Legion will do fine. If it is greenlit, it will be the evolution of Dust 514. That plus it going to PC, where CCP have more freedom to craft their vision, will make for a better game. I see Legion getting more support than Dust ever have gotten from its community.

have you ever heard of goldeneye for N64 it was pretty much one of the greatest fps titles ever made i understand it doesn't hold up by todays standards but it was pretty much the game that made me want to play fps games. I had DOOM and wolfenstein played them a little Goldeneye I played evryday for like 2 years so we console gamers new about fps titles

and sony let ccp do whatever they wanted to dust 514 they did not have to run anything through QA thats why we got all these patches

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spud buddy Da Short Buss Driving School 0	Posted - 2014.05.16 05:45:00 - [1] - Quote I realize now that legion is going to be a flop CCP is too lazy to balance. evidence for this: they refuse to add an SP respec option in the market in dust 514. The only logical cause for intentionally rejecting blatantly obvious methods of profit generation are to avoid being forced to balance the game because they have no idea how to do that IE: they'd spend more money trying to balance the game than they'd make from allowing respecs. They realize that everyone will respec to the most abusive and meta **** in the game, forcing them to balance things they'd rather ignore. On top of that 1.8 is out and it's awful. The balance is completely fubar. CCP can't balance patch an FPS to save their life, seriously, every vehicle in the game outruns the anti vehicle homing missiles, lmao. Legion is going to fail hard. The idea they can get some quick cash grabs from the f2p market on PC is a cute and arrogant notion oblivious of the predacious and superior free to play titles available on the PC. Whatever gimick impulse they might be seeking to taking advantage of with PC players long wanting to try out dust is just downright unsustainable in the face of superior quality in competitive market forces to be faced on the PC market. tl;dr ccp failed so hard with dust they can't possibly compete with the quality of free to play titles on the PC they haven't had the opportunity to compete with on the ps3. Please discuss this below I'm looking forward to seeing how other people's opinions on this subject compare to my own.
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 1245	Posted - 2014.05.16 06:08:00 - [2] - Quote Actually I'm sure a lot of eve players will try out legion. Server pop will probably skyrocket.
BLOOD Ruler The Lionheart Coalition 216	Posted - 2014.05.16 06:15:00 - [3] - Quote Legion is suppose be a better version of dust where everything is balance from the new weapons to new suits.Till some dumb little ***** says something is op. And he's new to the game. They don't know what op is Blood drops from my gun
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1075	Posted - 2014.05.16 06:17:00 - [4] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Actually I'm sure a lot of eve players will try out legion. Server pop will probably skyrocket. Eve players are not playing Planetside, not because it is not set in New Eden, but because they are not FPS players. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14349	Posted - 2014.05.16 06:19:00 - [5] - Quote Legion will do just fine, and we'll all look back on threads like these and just laugh and laugh and laugh
spud buddy Da Short Buss Driving School 2	Posted - 2014.05.16 06:19:00 - [6] - Quote BLOOD Ruler wrote: Legion is suppose be a better version of dust where everything is balance from the new weapons to new suits.Till some dumb little ***** says something is op. And he's new to the game. They don't know what op is sounds like you're drinking the kool-aid of course they're going to say legion is better, it's marketing But look at their track record for balancing FPS games, dust 514 is in shambles right now
BLOOD Ruler The Lionheart Coalition 216	Posted - 2014.05.16 06:21:00 - [7] - Quote spud buddy wrote: BLOOD Ruler wrote: Legion is suppose be a better version of dust where everything is balance from the new weapons to new suits.Till some dumb little ***** says something is op. And he's new to the game. They don't know what op is sounds like you're drinking the kool-aid of course they're going to say legion is better, it's marketing But look at their track record for balancing FPS games, dust 514 is in shambles right now Generation hater Blood drops from my gun
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 268	Posted - 2014.05.16 07:07:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Z stated in the progression thread in the legion forms that there will be a respec option.... so take that as you will. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Cosgar 9280	Posted - 2014.05.16 07:14:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Legion will do just fine, and we'll all look back on threads like these and just laugh and laugh and laugh Because CCP will learn from their mistakes... right. Call 1-800-345-SONY, press 2, then 2 again to get your money back if you bought AUR in the past 90 days.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4436	Posted - 2014.05.16 07:36:00 - [10] - Quote I can't help but laugh at the OP. 1.8 is terrible? Did you not visit these forums for the past several months? 1.8 is mostly compromised of the community's requests of changes. The very same community who complained about scanners after celebrating scanners getting warpoints for scanned kills. The very same community that wanted the AR nerfed, but now wants it buffed. The same community who wanted the RR nerfed, only to turn a blind eye to CR. So to blame CCP entirely for 1.8 is ignorant of the truth. While not perfect, they have developed this game based around the concerns expressed by the community and they still say CCP is at fault. Hilarious, indeed. Second, Legion is going to do fine. PC is where the majority of the FPS gaming community comes from. Until Halo 2 reached the kids, the majority of console based gamers knew nothing of FPS titles. In the world of PC, even games that console gamers would consider old and outdated FPS titles, are still being played today with a nice volume of active players. Legion will do fine. If it is greenlit, it will be the evolution of Dust 514. That plus it going to PC, where CCP have more freedom to craft their vision, will make for a better game. I see Legion getting more support than Dust ever have gotten from its community. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?

spud buddy Da Short Buss Driving School 4	Posted - 2014.05.16 09:27:00 - [11] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Legion is going to do fine. PC is where the majority of the FPS gaming community comes from. Sir, I don't think you see the bigger picture here. PC being where the majority of competitive FPS gaming happens is exactly why legion is going to flop. PC gamers don't have to settle for less in the quality of their games like console gamers do. I think you can expect a small following, not as many as planetside 2 but but more akin to warframe's population, don't expect huge success, just minimally viable sustainability. You're not going to pull in players from battlefields, call of duties or counter strikes with your grindy MMO mechanics that supersede absolute player-skill dependence for determining how good you are at the game.
Kiro Justice The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 541	Posted - 2014.05.16 09:32:00 - [12] - Quote spud buddy wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Legion is going to do fine. PC is where the majority of the FPS gaming community comes from. Sir, I don't think you see the bigger picture here. PC being where the majority of competitive FPS gaming happens is exactly why legion is going to flop. PC gamers don't have to settle for less in the quality of their games like console gamers do. I think you can expect a small following, not as many as planetside 2 but but more akin to warframe's population, don't expect huge success, just minimally viable sustainability. You're not going to pull in players from battlefields, call of duties or counter strikes with your grindy MMO mechanics that supersede absolute player-skill dependence for determining how good you are at the game. You're right, you know. This is where the FPS gaming happens. Why would I settle for SP, when I could play...Literally any other REAL FPS, I love RPG's but...Come on. FPSRPG? A Genre that probably should never have been, isn't going to suddenly do well in the same arena as an FPS (We love you borderlands) I'm not going to worry about possibly p2w boosters, when I can just play a game based on twitch "skills" rather than skill points. It's just not happening. You may be immortal, but are you bulletproof?
Ribbons Allmark CELESTIAL BEING keepers of peace 64	Posted - 2014.05.16 09:39:00 - [13] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I can't help but laugh at the OP. 1.8 is terrible? Did you not visit these forums for the past several months? 1.8 is mostly compromised of the community's requests of changes. The very same community who complained about scanners after celebrating scanners getting warpoints for scanned kills. The very same community that wanted the AR nerfed, but now wants it buffed. The same community who wanted the RR nerfed, only to turn a blind eye to CR. So to blame CCP entirely for 1.8 is ignorant of the truth. While not perfect, they have developed this game based around the concerns expressed by the community and they still say CCP is at fault. Hilarious, indeed. Second, Legion is going to do fine. PC is where the majority of the FPS gaming community comes from. Until Halo 2 reached the kids, the majority of console based gamers knew nothing of FPS titles. In the world of PC, even games that console gamers would consider old and outdated FPS titles, are still being played today with a nice volume of active players. Legion will do fine. If it is greenlit, it will be the evolution of Dust 514. That plus it going to PC, where CCP have more freedom to craft their vision, will make for a better game. I see Legion getting more support than Dust ever have gotten from its community. have you ever heard of goldeneye for N64 it was pretty much one of the greatest fps titles ever made i understand it doesn't hold up by todays standards but it was pretty much the game that made me want to play fps games. I had DOOM and wolfenstein played them a little Goldeneye I played evryday for like 2 years so we console gamers new about fps titles and sony let ccp do whatever they wanted to dust 514 they did not have to run anything through QA thats why we got all these patches
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2297	Posted - 2014.05.16 09:44:00 - [14] - Quote Took Screenshots He, though forbidden by the Codex, was a Precursor. He tried the Replication of Chromosomes. He led to an Uprising
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3067	Posted - 2014.05.16 09:45:00 - [15] - Quote DDDDDDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM People said dust would die, and its kept a stable playercount dispite even ccp trying to kill it (joke :-P) Legion will be a complete package and while it wont get the millions cod has, it does not need too, it will do fine and everyone will enjoy shooting drones or each other for that awsome mass driver that u can use later in day in the gustris sponsiderd torny :-P "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4439	Posted - 2014.05.16 09:52:00 - [16] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: Michael Arck wrote: I can't help but laugh at the OP. 1.8 is terrible? Did you not visit these forums for the past several months? 1.8 is mostly compromised of the community's requests of changes. The very same community who complained about scanners after celebrating scanners getting warpoints for scanned kills. The very same community that wanted the AR nerfed, but now wants it buffed. The same community who wanted the RR nerfed, only to turn a blind eye to CR. So to blame CCP entirely for 1.8 is ignorant of the truth. While not perfect, they have developed this game based around the concerns expressed by the community and they still say CCP is at fault. Hilarious, indeed. Second, Legion is going to do fine. PC is where the majority of the FPS gaming community comes from. Until Halo 2 reached the kids, the majority of console based gamers knew nothing of FPS titles. In the world of PC, even games that console gamers would consider old and outdated FPS titles, are still being played today with a nice volume of active players. Legion will do fine. If it is greenlit, it will be the evolution of Dust 514. That plus it going to PC, where CCP have more freedom to craft their vision, will make for a better game. I see Legion getting more support than Dust ever have gotten from its community. have you ever heard of goldeneye for N64 it was pretty much one of the greatest fps titles ever made i understand it doesn't hold up by todays standards but it was pretty much the game that made me want to play fps games. I had DOOM and wolfenstein played them a little Goldeneye I played evryday for like 2 years so we console gamers new about fps titles and sony let ccp do whatever they wanted to dust 514 they did not have to run anything through QA thats why we got all these patches Of course I know about GoldenEye. I was gaming before then. Back when I was just a little boy with my woodgrain Atari. I also remember going to the library at school, running Wolfenstein through DOS commands. Still the point remains, MP as we know it today in the console gaming world primarily got its start up from Halo 2. We cannot dismiss that. Most who played Halo 2 never even heard of LAN parties, tournaments; let alone playing a online FPS title. After that game, consoles saw the rise in MP online experiences. It is the reason why when you mention a game has MP, people instantly think of a FPS scenario and rather dismiss it if the MP involves something else than that. And the last comment about Sony and the QA department...I don't know of any game nowadays that has a patch to be installed throughout its life. Hell, most have a patches on Day 1 release. Why complain about the patches when games in my youthful days had no way to be patched. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
spud buddy Da Short Buss Driving School 7	Posted - 2014.05.16 10:00:00 - [17] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Why complain about the patches when games in my youthful days had no way to be patched. no country for told men :(
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8576	Posted - 2014.05.16 11:02:00 - [18] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Legion will do just fine, and we'll all look back on threads like these and just laugh and laugh and laugh Hmm... Isn't that exactly what you and others said to the DUST naysayers? Official Atiim Feedback Thread -HAND
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8576	Posted - 2014.05.16 11:09:00 - [19] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Why complain about the patches when games in my youthful days had no way to be patched. Because most of the games in the day were actually good and complete? I don't remember playing Majora's Mask and noticing that one of the masks were OP, nor do I remember the Master Sword being missing from the game. Official Atiim Feedback Thread -HAND
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1214	Posted - 2014.05.16 11:22:00 - [20] - Quote The problem for ccp is that even if legion 'succeeds' in the sense of having a reasonable player count it will be at the expense of eve. This is the only reason dust was on console in the first place - to avoid losing eve subscribers to their ftp fps. Most people do not have time for 2 separate grindfests, they will choose one or the other. The current people who play eve and dust are the dedicated vanguard. There are not many like them, as the pathetic dust server count shows (and thats including a majority of non-eve players). That ccp are now acting like that is not an issue shows a failure of business strategy to go with their failure of business ethics over the legion 'reveal' (ie lying about it for months).

Gregor stormwalker Seraphim Auxiliaries 91	Posted - 2014.05.16 11:29:00 - [21] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: Michael Arck wrote: I can't help but laugh at the OP. 1.8 is terrible? Did you not visit these forums for the past several months? 1.8 is mostly compromised of the community's requests of changes. The very same community who complained about scanners after celebrating scanners getting warpoints for scanned kills. The very same community that wanted the AR nerfed, but now wants it buffed. The same community who wanted the RR nerfed, only to turn a blind eye to CR. So to blame CCP entirely for 1.8 is ignorant of the truth. While not perfect, they have developed this game based around the concerns expressed by the community and they still say CCP is at fault. Hilarious, indeed. Second, Legion is going to do fine. PC is where the majority of the FPS gaming community comes from. Until Halo 2 reached the kids, the majority of console based gamers knew nothing of FPS titles. In the world of PC, even games that console gamers would consider old and outdated FPS titles, are still being played today with a nice volume of active players. Legion will do fine. If it is greenlit, it will be the evolution of Dust 514. That plus it going to PC, where CCP have more freedom to craft their vision, will make for a better game. I see Legion getting more support than Dust ever have gotten from its community. have you ever heard of goldeneye for N64 it was pretty much one of the greatest fps titles ever made i understand it doesn't hold up by todays standards but it was pretty much the game that made me want to play fps games. I had DOOM and wolfenstein played them a little Goldeneye I played evryday for like 2 years so we console gamers new about fps titles and sony let ccp do whatever they wanted to dust 514 they did not have to run anything through QA thats why we got all these patches just want to point 2 things out ccp do send there client side patches to Sony Q\A, they don't send server side patches. also the arrangements made for this by ccp and Sony are\where for both companys, imo ccp helped Sony craft there services to allow the PS4 to run all the mmo games its got lining up. we beta tested legion ccp beta tested the next gen PSN architecture
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1045	Posted - 2014.05.16 13:11:00 - [22] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Actually I'm sure a lot of eve players will try out legion. Server pop will probably skyrocket. Eve players are not playing Planetside, not because it is not set in New Eden, but because they are not FPS players. Speak for yourself. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1701	Posted - 2014.05.16 13:33:00 - [23] - Quote From a FPS stand point I don't see Legion getting a seat at the FPS table. But it will have a place on that table all the way in the back. The eve table. Legion will be fine cause it will be eve taking care of it. But as a fps? it won't succeed.


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