DUST Search - Caldari Scout has Kinetic Shield Hardeners.

Lynn Beck wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

Lynn Beck wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

This shouldn't be a thing. If you find out more let CCP know Ill keep tabs for this then.

It is irregular at best, however this never happens to any other scout.

Also of note is that Hybrid-Blaster doesn't appear to have any problems, though Rail/Explosive also take notably long to drop them.

Edit: my evidence for this is a Rai Rifle did 20 damage. 42 base damag, -10% shield damage denotes i should have taken 37.8 damage, and this was at 15m-25m.

I have survived Remote Explosives by simply triple-extendering my Cal frame, i get like 309 shield or so.
I took 40 HP damage from a locus. No idea what kind as it diddn't kill me, however i was standing right on top of it.

The general rule i have come across is that projectile does ~25% damage, while rail does ~60%, explosive does a nominal 5% or so.

Since you say explosives are affected by this it is very easy to test. Find a supply depot in the redline and simply drop a grenade at the feet of your cal light 20 times, recording how much damage you take each time. If you want to be super scientific switch to a different light suit and repeat the test as a 'control'.

Guess i've got some testing then.

However it is quite unpredictable, although when it does happen(is this caused by a certain fiting, or a certain behaviour in the server? Is it a SDE problem, where it has a misapplying %damage ratio?)it is almost always at those percentages, as it is 'possible' to kill a Cal Light, however in these instances it requires at least 1 reload.

I'll probably have an ally throw Mlt locus and Sleek, followed by Flux.

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Lynn Beck Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1667	Posted - 2014.05.12 20:25:00 - [1] - Quote Not 100% sure, howevrr something VERY peculiar happened in a match. I ran up to an Amarr scout, using a C-1 Caldari Light Frame, with 235 shield, 87 armor, fitted with a Kincat. He hit me with at least 5 rounds, as i heard 5 seperate pings, although some may have been allied shotgun pings. My shields went to 230. 5 health, lost from at the very least a Bk-42, seeing as he was spray N praying. 5. Base damage being 20 per round. That's 1/4th of a bullet. Another instance, see a Std Calscout(turns out to be Proto on death screen) with 483 shield, sprayed an entire OH of scrambler into his back, only to be Allotek Breach shotgunned. End shield, 122. After a full OH into his back, running STRAIGHT away from me, no kincats that i could tell. General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9625	Posted - 2014.05.12 20:28:00 - [2] - Quote Wouldn't be surprised if CCP's favorite has some super resits. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Lynn Beck Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1667	Posted - 2014.05.12 20:31:00 - [3] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Wouldn't be surprised if CCP's favorite has some super resits. That's the funny thing though, is that a Min scout with 350~ shield is easier to drop than a basic calscout with 240 shield, considering the enemy is using Projectile. Assault rifles seem o bypass this. General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 1575	Posted - 2014.05.12 20:32:00 - [4] - Quote Eyewitness accounts are shoddy at best, and I'd rather blame this occurrence on glitches/poor hit detection rather than some ultra conspiracy about the Caldari having some special kind of shield hardener the other races don't have. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published May 6th
Lynn Beck Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1667	Posted - 2014.05.12 20:49:00 - [5] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: Eyewitness accounts are shoddy at best, and I'd rather blame this occurrence on glitches/poor hit detection rather than some ultra conspiracy about the Caldari having some special kind of shield hardener the other races don't have. How does that explain them taking 1/4th damage from projectile/rail? General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14939	Posted - 2014.05.12 20:50:00 - [6] - Quote This shouldn't be a thing. If you find out more let CCP know Ill keep tabs for this then. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Lynn Beck Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1667	Posted - 2014.05.12 20:55:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: This shouldn't be a thing. If you find out more let CCP know Ill keep tabs for this then. It is irregular at best, however this never happens to any other scout. Also of note is that Hybrid-Blaster doesn't appear to have any problems, though Rail/Explosive also take notably long to drop them. General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 744	Posted - 2014.05.12 22:25:00 - [8] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: Eyewitness accounts are shoddy at best, and I'd rather blame this occurrence on glitches/poor hit detection rather than some ultra conspiracy about the Caldari having some special kind of shield hardener the other races don't have. Agreed . I used and use the suits myself and just did not notice any advantages over any other suit or weapons , I've herd people claiming that Caldari light suits can strafe better and now this . Whatever ... they have no advantage over any other suit and dies just as fast as most . Waste time figuring this out or you can inform CCP on implementing fixes for bugs and such IWS , also fixing the stats for the Caldari basic heavies as well . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
Lynn Beck Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1668	Posted - 2014.05.13 02:20:00 - [9] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Denak Kalamari wrote: Eyewitness accounts are shoddy at best, and I'd rather blame this occurrence on glitches/poor hit detection rather than some ultra conspiracy about the Caldari having some special kind of shield hardener the other races don't have. Agreed . I used and use the suits myself and just did not notice any advantages over any other suit or weapons , I've herd people claiming that Caldari light suits can strafe better and now this . Whatever ... they have no advantage over any other suit and dies just as fast as most . Waste time figuring this out or you can inform CCP on implementing fixes for bugs and such IWS , also fixing the stats for the Caldari basic heavies as well . Explain to me then, how i can accurately(as accurate as spamming pubs with the fitting i'm questioning) describe the % of damage i'm taking Vs what i'm supposed to take, in CQC(clearly within optimal) conditions? Also, regardless of whether i take multiple hits or not, i'm only taking 1/2 to 1/4th of A BULLET. General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1487	Posted - 2014.05.13 03:12:00 - [10] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Denak Kalamari wrote: Eyewitness accounts are shoddy at best, and I'd rather blame this occurrence on glitches/poor hit detection rather than some ultra conspiracy about the Caldari having some special kind of shield hardener the other races don't have. Agreed . I used and use the suits myself and just did not notice any advantages over any other suit or weapons , I've herd people claiming that Caldari light suits can strafe better and now this . Whatever ... they have no advantage over any other suit and dies just as fast as most . Waste time figuring this out or you can inform CCP on implementing fixes for bugs and such IWS , also fixing the stats for the Caldari basic heavies as well . Explain to me then, how i can accurately(as accurate as spamming pubs with the fitting i'm questioning) describe the % of damage i'm taking Vs what i'm supposed to take, in CQC(clearly within optimal) conditions? Also, regardless of whether i take multiple hits or not, i'm only taking 1/2 to 1/4th of A BULLET. Stop trolling Your last thread had qq from the caldari stuff Qq moar ~~kane~~ beck Closed beta vet. I hardly play dust now.

Lynn Beck Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1668	Posted - 2014.05.13 03:50:00 - [11] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Denak Kalamari wrote: Eyewitness accounts are shoddy at best, and I'd rather blame this occurrence on glitches/poor hit detection rather than some ultra conspiracy about the Caldari having some special kind of shield hardener the other races don't have. Agreed . I used and use the suits myself and just did not notice any advantages over any other suit or weapons , I've herd people claiming that Caldari light suits can strafe better and now this . Whatever ... they have no advantage over any other suit and dies just as fast as most . Waste time figuring this out or you can inform CCP on implementing fixes for bugs and such IWS , also fixing the stats for the Caldari basic heavies as well . Explain to me then, how i can accurately(as accurate as spamming pubs with the fitting i'm questioning) describe the % of damage i'm taking Vs what i'm supposed to take, in CQC(clearly within optimal) conditions? Also, regardless of whether i take multiple hits or not, i'm only taking 1/2 to 1/4th of A BULLET. Stop trolling Your last thread had qq from the caldari stuff Qq moar ~~kane~~ beck My last thread was on this same exact thing, hoever i did not hve any evidence, just 'i got a feeling, anybody else?' Now however, i have moderately concrete evidence that Caldari Lights do not take their full damage. Also, it's quite difficult for one to just waltz in and state 'you're trolling, stfu and don't point that out' without concrete evidence to the contrary, or proof that i'm lying through my teeth. You don't have that, so stop trolling. General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 634	Posted - 2014.05.13 05:24:00 - [12] - Quote Op - If you have any way to demonstrate this by say, capturing some footage to show us, that would be most awesome. I do wonder about things myself but I always thought it was just this screwy game to be frank.
Minmatar Mercenary 9292 Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 497	Posted - 2014.05.13 05:39:00 - [13] - Quote I don't play anymore besides troll the forums and look at legion stuff but this is something i have noticed when i did play, the caldari scout seems to evade shots that would have flat out r@ped another scout, it's the only scout that does this aswell. I love the caldari stuff personally so i don't say this out of hate but when a caldari scout consistently dances/evades/ignores the same thing that always r@pes a minmatar scout with less shield than said min scout then something is up. Dat cladari scout hitbox yo it can't just have been me Da only good Amarr is a ded Amarr, an de ony fing betta than a ded one, is a dyin one who tells ya were 'is mates is!
Jackof All-Trades The Black Renaissance 596	Posted - 2014.05.13 05:39:00 - [14] - Quote I thought I noticed it too, but thought I was just experiencing bad hit detection/I sucked that day. Now that someone else is mentioning it though... "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 677	Posted - 2014.05.13 05:50:00 - [15] - Quote Combination of the dropsuit model, strafe irregularity, and hit detection. The give away was the AR. Strafe speeds are always maxed in this game. Thats why heavies cant hop more than 3 inches front to back but can jump 12 to the left or the right. Strafing in a light suit. Who'da thought? It's hard to beat up hundreds of armor piercing bullets using only your face...
Lynn Beck Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1668	Posted - 2014.05.13 06:21:00 - [16] - Quote IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote: Combination of the dropsuit model, strafe irregularity, and hit detection. The give away was the AR. Strafe speeds are always maxed in this game. Thats why heavies cant hop more than 3 inches front to back but can jump 12 to the left or the right. Strafing in a light suit. Who'da thought? While i would love to agree that it is the hitbox(would make things much easier)i beleive there is a hidden irregularity in the %damage parameter on the Caldari Light. Kinda like how the Caldari dropship/lav takes full damage from light weapons when into armor, the caldari light frames take reduced damage from small arms through shield. Will update OP... Tomorrow. It's 2:30 and i'm tired. Edit: AR being the give away? I'm not sure i follow you. I used the Breach AR (basic) and counted HP to damage for kill, logis with 300/500 HPs took 18 shots to kill, while a at most 487/87(because they never armor tank unless sniping) calscout takes 20-25, and this is counting as close as possible to 100% hit ratios as possible, as, they are immobile when i engage. General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
LtGen Shanks Kinsho Swords Caldari State 70	Posted - 2014.05.13 07:21:00 - [17] - Quote I've seen something similar just today. I snuck up on m twiggz, who was using a Caldari c/1 series, whilst on my Proto GalScout and proceeded to unload my ACR into his toon. However, he barely took any damage and proceeded to kill me off as we engaged in a strafing battle. I think I took out about 1/4 of his shields before dying. I returned to face him only to see a blaster tank shooting him down, so I took my chance to see if I could bring him down. I died again... Well, at least I got him on my third attempt, but he was already down to armor by that time.
nicholas73 Glitched Connection 76	Posted - 2014.05.13 08:36:00 - [18] - Quote I actually have the same feeling too. Dust to Dust Ashes to Ashes Theme Song
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2622	Posted - 2014.05.13 12:13:00 - [19] - Quote CCP broken hitdetectionGäó. Have you tried this in an experimental set up where all numbers are known and target is stationary (PC/FW)? This message was brought to you by the PC master race.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 599	Posted - 2014.05.13 12:56:00 - [20] - Quote You're wrong. Simple as.

ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1078	Posted - 2014.05.13 13:10:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: This shouldn't be a thing. If you find out more let CCP know Ill keep tabs for this then. Gotta make sure Legion is 100% tested, eh? As to the OP, I have heard a lot of corpmates and random squadmates say they have issues with Caldari Lights/Scouts, but I haven't experienced it too much, as I've been ADSing more and more to burn through isk... Everything dies to a Missiles (even Sentinels, seriously, don't stand around, I know you resist splash, but, a direct hit is still a direct hit). I will ask around some more and see if I can get a grasp on what they all are saying. I 'support' EVE:Legion. Since the PS4 is just a dream, make it easy to sell our characters and our Beta access...
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 745	Posted - 2014.05.13 13:13:00 - [22] - Quote I believe that it has something to do with hit detection as well because like I said , I use the suits and still die in an fashion similar to any other light or scout suit and I use Gal scouts as well so I would notice any difference but if you yourself and others can actually confirm this then that evidence can not be rebuked but until they fix the hit detection as with using sniper rifles ... then anything done or said does not really have a strong foundation . One instance you might get the results that you claim and another or someone else may find otherwise so the fact that you have a known variable namely , hit detection ... then the results will be unstable or irregular until the problem is fixed . I play games where I'm point blank with a HMG and a Gal scout can run right at me and not strafe and shotgun me while I'm firing and I notice that my bullets are not registering , other times it works just fine but to have a HMG in comparison to an AR and stand at point blank range and bullets are not registering shows a hit detection problem . I just do not snipe like I use to because of the same , some games it works when others it just doesn't and I can be dead on and nothing . Hit detection needs to be addressed . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
Leeroy Gannarsein Shining Flame Amarr Empire 65	Posted - 2014.05.13 13:21:00 - [23] - Quote I've heard the same thing. I've never noticed it. I use CR and ScR primarily, and I've not noticed CalScout being particularly hard to kill -once I hit him. They're typically harder to hit than Gal, who often have plates fitted, and have higher HP totals than Minmatar, because of different roles, and the regen makes them a pain to kill. But them taking too little damage? This isn't something I've noticed, no. MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... VOTE 1 CCP BLOWOUT
Lynn Beck Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1668	Posted - 2014.05.13 19:16:00 - [24] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I believe that it has something to do with hit detection as well because like I said , I use the suits and still die in an fashion similar to any other light or scout suit and I use Gal scouts as well so I would notice any difference but if you yourself and others can actually confirm this then that evidence can not be rebuked but until they fix the hit detection as with using sniper rifles ... then anything done or said does not really have a strong foundation . One instance you might get the results that you claim and another or someone else may find otherwise so the fact that you have a known variable namely , hit detection ... then the results will be unstable or irregular until the problem is fixed . I play games where I'm point blank with a HMG and a Gal scout can run right at me and not strafe and shotgun me while I'm firing and I notice that my bullets are not registering , other times it works just fine but to have a HMG in comparison to an AR and stand at point blank range and bullets are not registering shows a hit detection problem . I just do not snipe like I use to because of the same , some games it works when others it just doesn't and I can be dead on and nothing . Hit detection needs to be addressed . I don't think it's hit detection ALL of the time, albeit, a caldari scout with 2 complex kins is going to be a ***** to shoot. I got hit by a sniper round in my Callight and it did, ready? 120 damage. Mlt snipers do 205, and Tac Snipers do 173.5 A scrambler barrage(it was an Enemy, so no idea what kind and how many damage mods) did 36 damage at a range of 35-50 meters. One shot does 79-ish. General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
Lynn Beck Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1668	Posted - 2014.05.13 19:19:00 - [25] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: I've heard the same thing. I've never noticed it. I use CR and ScR primarily, and I've not noticed CalScout being particularly hard to kill -once I hit him. They're typically harder to hit than Gal, who often have plates fitted, and have higher HP totals than Minmatar, because of different roles, and the regen makes them a pain to kill. But them taking too little damage? This isn't something I've noticed, no. Yes, their regen is a *** to fight against, however that doesn't explain them not taking any damage in a CQC ragefest, against 3 people. Yes, they were strafing like a ***. Yes, they also only lost 10 HP in the end. General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 700	Posted - 2014.05.13 19:25:00 - [26] - Quote Personally I think your telling the story in reverse cuz I wouldn't tell a soul lol. Cal scouts and practically all cal suits don't take damage to shields like other suits, been saying it for months, so instead I just went caldari and kept my mouth shut since no one listens ?
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1194	Posted - 2014.05.13 20:24:00 - [27] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: This shouldn't be a thing. If you find out more let CCP know Ill keep tabs for this then. It is irregular at best, however this never happens to any other scout. Also of note is that Hybrid-Blaster doesn't appear to have any problems, though Rail/Explosive also take notably long to drop them. Edit: my evidence for this is a Rai Rifle did 20 damage. 42 base damag, -10% shield damage denotes i should have taken 37.8 damage, and this was at 15m-25m. I have survived Remote Explosives by simply triple-extendering my Cal frame, i get like 309 shield or so. I took 40 HP damage from a locus. No idea what kind as it diddn't kill me, however i was standing right on top of it. The general rule i have come across is that projectile does ~25% damage, while rail does ~60%, explosive does a nominal 5% or so. Since you say explosives are affected by this it is very easy to test. Find a supply depot in the redline and simply drop a grenade at the feet of your cal light 20 times, recording how much damage you take each time. If you want to be super scientific switch to a different light suit and repeat the test as a 'control'.
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Caps and Mercs 567	Posted - 2014.05.13 20:35:00 - [28] - Quote I blame it on hit detection. Several times I have overheated a viziam scrambler into a scout, all different races, and not gotten through their shields. And I'm taking close range, shots landing with their shields flashing indicating hits. I have even charged shot an uncloaked basic gal scout directly in the face, which should have killed him, yet he only had a small amount of shields missing and he then proceeded to ohk my scout with a shotgun. Hopefully hit detection in Legion won't be garbage like it is in Dust. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Lynn Beck Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1668	Posted - 2014.05.13 20:51:00 - [29] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: This shouldn't be a thing. If you find out more let CCP know Ill keep tabs for this then. It is irregular at best, however this never happens to any other scout. Also of note is that Hybrid-Blaster doesn't appear to have any problems, though Rail/Explosive also take notably long to drop them. Edit: my evidence for this is a Rai Rifle did 20 damage. 42 base damag, -10% shield damage denotes i should have taken 37.8 damage, and this was at 15m-25m. I have survived Remote Explosives by simply triple-extendering my Cal frame, i get like 309 shield or so. I took 40 HP damage from a locus. No idea what kind as it diddn't kill me, however i was standing right on top of it. The general rule i have come across is that projectile does ~25% damage, while rail does ~60%, explosive does a nominal 5% or so. Since you say explosives are affected by this it is very easy to test. Find a supply depot in the redline and simply drop a grenade at the feet of your cal light 20 times, recording how much damage you take each time. If you want to be super scientific switch to a different light suit and repeat the test as a 'control'. Guess i've got some testing then. However it is quite unpredictable, although when it does happen(is this caused by a certain fiting, or a certain behaviour in the server? Is it a SDE problem, where it has a misapplying %damage ratio?)it is almost always at those percentages, as it is 'possible' to kill a Cal Light, however in these instances it requires at least 1 reload. I'll probably have an ally throw Mlt locus and Sleek, followed by Flux. General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1195	Posted - 2014.05.13 21:20:00 - [30] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: This shouldn't be a thing. If you find out more let CCP know Ill keep tabs for this then. It is irregular at best, however this never happens to any other scout. Also of note is that Hybrid-Blaster doesn't appear to have any problems, though Rail/Explosive also take notably long to drop them. Edit: my evidence for this is a Rai Rifle did 20 damage. 42 base damag, -10% shield damage denotes i should have taken 37.8 damage, and this was at 15m-25m. I have survived Remote Explosives by simply triple-extendering my Cal frame, i get like 309 shield or so. I took 40 HP damage from a locus. No idea what kind as it diddn't kill me, however i was standing right on top of it. The general rule i have come across is that projectile does ~25% damage, while rail does ~60%, explosive does a nominal 5% or so. Since you say explosives are affected by this it is very easy to test. Find a supply depot in the redline and simply drop a grenade at the feet of your cal light 20 times, recording how much damage you take each time. If you want to be super scientific switch to a different light suit and repeat the test as a 'control'. Guess i've got some testing then. However it is quite unpredictable, although when it does happen(is this caused by a certain fiting, or a certain behaviour in the server? Is it a SDE problem, where it has a misapplying %damage ratio?)it is almost always at those percentages, as it is 'possible' to kill a Cal Light, however in these instances it requires at least 1 reload. I'll probably have an ally throw Mlt locus and Sleek, followed by Flux. Just tested myself on cal scout alt: Suit: scout C/1-series with level 3 Caldari scout, 308hp shield, 174hp armour Test: stood on standard locus grenade rated at 400hp explosive damage ten times Results: same outcome each time, shield removed and 4 notches of armour damage (about 10%) Analysis: explosive does 80% damage versus shield, so it will take 96.25% of the 400 explosive damage to wipe out the shield on my C/1-series; explosive does 120% damage versus armour, so the remaining 3.75% of the 400 explosive damage will do 18 armour damage, about 10% of total armour Conclusion: from this limited testing the caldari scout seems to take explosive damage as advertised



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