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Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 308	Posted - 2014.05.10 05:27:00 - [1] - Quote Were basically B.S. right? I mean the average person has at least two accounts logged in at any given time, so you can cut the "actual" number in half if not less right? Meaning TQ would drop down to about 10k people at night? Meaning Dust, this failure of a game, was already at 1/5th the size of EvE at the very least? Also meaning that Dust is more popular than Eve was the first 1-2 years.... GG CCP. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3042	Posted - 2014.05.10 05:32:00 - [2] - Quote That pretty much sums it up. When i played Eve i had aswell 2 accounts but i stopped cause its just boring and stupid.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1384	Posted - 2014.05.10 05:41:00 - [3] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: I mean the average person has at least two accounts logged in at any given time, so you can cut the "actual" number in half if not less right?. Depends on what you mean by "average". There's mean, median and mode, after all. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 310	Posted - 2014.05.10 06:04:00 - [4] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I mean the average person has at least two accounts logged in at any given time, so you can cut the "actual" number in half if not less right?. Depends on what you mean by "average". There's mean, median and mode, after all. Arithmetic mean smart ass. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2317	Posted - 2014.05.10 06:37:00 - [5] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Were basically B.S. right? I mean the average person has at least two accounts logged in at any given time, so you can cut the "actual" number in half if not less right? Meaning TQ would drop down to about 10k people at night? Meaning Dust, this failure of a game, was already at 1/5th the size of EvE at the very least? Also meaning that Dust is more popular than Eve was the first 1-2 years.... GG CCP. Bear in mind that all those accounts, even the duplicates and the people offline are paying accounts. Subscriptions. Eve is successful financially, and that's all that really matters.
Niccolo deLuce 47	Posted - 2014.05.10 06:45:00 - [6] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Were basically B.S. right? I mean the average person has at least two accounts logged in at any given time, so you can cut the "actual" number in half if not less right? Meaning TQ would drop down to about 10k people at night? Meaning Dust, this failure of a game, was already at 1/5th the size of EvE at the very least? Also meaning that Dust is more popular than Eve was the first 1-2 years.... GG CCP. Bear in mind that all those accounts, even the duplicates and the people offline are paying accounts. Subscriptions. Eve is successful financially, and that's all that really matters. Compare that to the barely 4k peak players of Dust, and yeah, I'd call that a big difference. Not true at all. Tons of people keep recycling trial chars. Also, I know a lot of people who would dual box with a trial account on a sep computer, like a laptop set up with a trial to watch gates. I'd say that %20 aren't paying at least.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 311	Posted - 2014.05.10 06:49:00 - [7] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Were basically B.S. right? I mean the average person has at least two accounts logged in at any given time, so you can cut the "actual" number in half if not less right? Meaning TQ would drop down to about 10k people at night? Meaning Dust, this failure of a game, was already at 1/5th the size of EvE at the very least? Also meaning that Dust is more popular than Eve was the first 1-2 years.... GG CCP. Bear in mind that all those accounts, even the duplicates and the people offline are paying accounts. Subscriptions. Eve is successful financially, and that's all that really matters. Compare that to the barely 4k peak players of Dust, and yeah, I'd call that a big difference. So we actually have no data at all about how much Dust was or was not making. I myself threw in $200 over a 6 month period, which is WAY more than CCP would get from 2 accounts in Eve over that time period. On top of that Dust was hitting well OVER 4k (closer to 5k than 4k) on the weekends, which is around how well eve was doing in it's first year or 2 as far as actual bodies behind the keyboard. If the talking heads at CCP would have been incharge of eve then like dust now, eve never would have taken off. The funniest thing? If you look at eve offline you can see that Dust had been trending upwards since 1.7 was released, albeit slowly. They finally released some content they had been sitting on and the player base starts slowly climbing up and they kill dust. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Syeven Reed G0DS AM0NG MEN 612	Posted - 2014.05.10 07:26:00 - [8] - Quote There are people like myself who sub but only log in about every week. And then there are people who only log on for fleet fights. The eve numbers you se really aren't that accurate. MajLagSpike CPM Application
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1387	Posted - 2014.05.10 07:42:00 - [9] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: I myself threw in $200 over a 6 month period, which is WAY more than CCP would get from 2 accounts in Eve over that time period. Two subscriptions lasting for 6 months would bring in anywhere from $143.40 to $239.40 depending on the method of payment. The former would be by paying a standard subscription in 6-month intervals, the latter would be by using PLEX exclusively and not buying it in bulk (probably by buying it from other people who wanted to make some quick ISK). So, no. There's not a significant difference between the two sums. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Caps and Mercs 564	Posted - 2014.05.10 07:44:00 - [10] - Quote When I was playing EVE full time I had three accounts all paid for. I am too lazy to grind isk for three plexes every month. And 80% of the time I only had my main pvp toon logged on. I only really dual boxed or triple boxed when I was pveing, which is not often since I like killing people much more. This was true for the vast majority of people I played with. They all had several accounts but mainly only used one at a time. Dual boxing in pvp is too hard and burns you out over time. I would estimate that maybe 35% of the player count are dual boxers. But most are single players on a single account. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.

Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 312	Posted - 2014.05.10 08:07:00 - [11] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I myself threw in $200 over a 6 month period, which is WAY more than CCP would get from 2 accounts in Eve over that time period. Two subscriptions lasting for 6 months would bring in anywhere from $143.40 to $239.40 depending on the method of payment. The former would be by paying a standard subscription in 6-month intervals, the latter would be by using PLEX exclusively and not buying it in bulk (probably by buying it from other people who wanted to make some quick ISK). So, no. There's not a significant difference between the two sums. So,, you are just going to be a prick and make me break down every god-damn thing I say while you just throw out bull-** eh? How about this.. I could get 12 months worth of eve for 131 dollars... or hell, with the power of two I could get 6 months of game time for the equivalent of $50, meaning my total for two accounts would be $115, so how about you just do everyone a favor and STFU. Yep, pretty big differences there dummy. Izlare Lenix wrote:** When I was playing EVE full time I had three accounts all paid for. I am too lazy to grind isk for three plexes every month. And 80% of the time I only had my main pvp toon logged on. I only really dual boxed or triple boxed when I was pveing, which is not often since I like killing people much more. This was true for the vast majority of people I played with. They all had several accounts but mainly only used one at a time. Dual boxing in pvp is too hard and burns you out over time. I would estimate that maybe 35% of the player count are dual boxers. But most are single players on a single account. I knew 3 guys who would iskbox between 8-12 accounts at the same time in order to farm wormholes. I garuntee you there are many many more like them. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1390	Posted - 2014.05.10 08:18:00 - [12] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I myself threw in $200 over a 6 month period, which is WAY more than CCP would get from 2 accounts in Eve over that time period. Two subscriptions lasting for 6 months would bring in anywhere from $143.40 to $239.40 depending on the method of payment. The former would be by paying a standard subscription in 6-month intervals, the latter would be by using PLEX exclusively and not buying it in bulk (probably by buying it from other people who wanted to make some quick ISK). So, no. There's not a significant difference between the two sums. So,, you are just going to be a prick and make me break down every god-damn thing I say while you just throw out bull-**** eh? How about this.. I could get 12 months worth of eve for 131 dollars... or hell, with the power of two I could get 6 months of game time for the equivalent of $50, meaning my total for two accounts would be $115, so how about you just do everyone a favor and STFU. Yep, pretty big differences there dummy. While it is true than paying in 12-month intervals is cheaper than paying in 6-month intervals, you had stated that you had spent $200 dollars in a 6-month period, not a 12-month period, so I didn't think it was a good comparison. Subscription-based games generally have a pretty stable income from each consumer, but F2P games are quite a bit more erratic. For all I know you might have spent $200 in a 6-month period while the next and/or previous 6-month period you only spent a quarter as much as that. As for the power of two, that only works once per account, and only for a new account, so it's pretty situational. I'm not saying you couldn't play 12 months worth for significantly less than $200 dollars, I'm just saying that a meaningful number of players could have easily not done so. Your statement, after all, was "which is WAY more than CCP would get from 2 accounts in Eve of that time period" and not "which is a lot more than the minimum of what two accounts in EVE would have to pay". I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Final Resolution. 1775	Posted - 2014.05.10 10:57:00 - [13] - Quote I doubt DUST 514 coming to PC (or whatever the hell Legion is) has much to do with DUST's low numbers. I think it was more "this is really hard" when it came to trying to make all the promises happen on the PS3. The numbers game is hard to play because almost everyone has two accounts and you have hardcore people with 15 accounts. That is why there was the joke at the CCP keynote with the computer that can fit in your hand where a player said "that runs EVE pretty good but how many accounts can it run at once?" The difference is that DUST is a free game; it should have far, far more numbers than it has if it is a good product. Comparing the two is really quite difficult. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1401	Posted - 2014.05.10 11:13:00 - [14] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Were basically B.S. right? What is this in relation to? Which numbers were BS in what way? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1871	Posted - 2014.05.10 13:34:00 - [15] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Were basically B.S. right? I mean the average person has at least two accounts logged in at any given time, so you can cut the "actual" number in half if not less right? Meaning TQ would drop down to about 10k people at night? Meaning Dust, this failure of a game, was already at 1/5th the size of EvE at the very least? Also meaning that Dust is more popular than Eve was the first 1-2 years.... GG CCP. and their 500,000 subscribers counts china :) eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 900	Posted - 2014.05.10 13:44:00 - [16] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Were basically B.S. right? I mean the average person has at least two accounts logged in at any given time, so you can cut the "actual" number in half if not less right? Meaning TQ would drop down to about 10k people at night? Meaning Dust, this failure of a game, was already at 1/5th the size of EvE at the very least? Also meaning that Dust is more popular than Eve was the first 1-2 years.... GG CCP. Excuse my na+»ve question but why would people play on two accounts at the same time? Is it so one account can sit and shoot a mining laser at an asteroid like a mindless zombie in hi sec while the other goes into low sec stirring up the sh!t and getting ganked? I have a hard time understanding the pleasure people get from EVE. I've played it and it seems like such a job. Munch Anyone who buys AUR now is a fool.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14859	Posted - 2014.05.10 13:51:00 - [17] - Quote Eve subscription numbers are only counted once their month has been paid for when it be a plex consumption or actual payment. This also does not include customers who pay for extra services on their accounts CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Megan Steel DUST BRASIL S.A Caps and Mercs 87	Posted - 2014.05.10 13:58:00 - [18] - Quote How many subscribers does EVE have ? My corp is moving to Destiny ... I'm staying ... all alone
bhold'the brngr ofLIKE Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2014.05.10 14:03:00 - [19] - Quote lol @ paying $200 for dust even when it had hope... wtf were you thinking..
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 955	Posted - 2014.05.10 14:07:00 - [20] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Were basically B.S. right? I mean the average person has at least two accounts logged in at any given time, so you can cut the "actual" number in half if not less right? Meaning TQ would drop down to about 10k people at night? Meaning Dust, this failure of a game, was already at 1/5th the size of EvE at the very least? Also meaning that Dust is more popular than Eve was the first 1-2 years.... GG CCP. Erm, nope. The modal player only has one account logged at any given time - of course the mean is above one, but that's in the same vein as claiming that since the average person has less than 2 arms, everybody must be an amputee. Secondly, you can't compare user numbers from ten years ago with number from today to judge success like you did - gaming has become a lot more prevalent today than it was ten years ago, which skews things.

Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 955	Posted - 2014.05.10 14:08:00 - [21] - Quote Megan Steel wrote: How many subscribers does EVE have ? Accounts, ~500,000. Discreet players, nobody really knows for sure.
Hairy Butter Fairy Fleet 118	Posted - 2014.05.10 14:15:00 - [22] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Were basically B.S. right? I mean the average person has at least two accounts logged in at any given time, so you can cut the "actual" number in half if not less right? Meaning TQ would drop down to about 10k people at night? Meaning Dust, this failure of a game, was already at 1/5th the size of EvE at the very least? Also meaning that Dust is more popular than Eve was the first 1-2 years.... GG CCP. Excuse my na+»ve question but why would people play on two accounts at the same time? Is it so one account can sit and shoot a mining laser at an asteroid like a mindless zombie in hi sec while the other goes into low sec stirring up the sh!t and getting ganked? I have a hard time understanding the pleasure people get from EVE. I've played it and it seems like such a job. Munch PvP with a logistics, ecm boat or just more firepower on 2nd account... Scouting and probing,, bait ships, opening cyno beacons for your capitals, spying/sabotage by having 2nd pilot in enemy fleet, being able to be active 2 different places in the universe when distance is huge, doing more high end pve with fewer people and so on. If eve is not fun for you then most likely you are doing it wrong, or maybe eve just is not for you, for most people its the former. Also an alt pilot in Red vs Blue should be a must ;)
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Caps and Mercs 565	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:22:00 - [23] - Quote There are tons of use for alts. Lighting cynos and spying/intel gathering are the biggest non pve uses of an alt. I used to have an alt sit cloaked off a certain gate in null sec the entire time I was logged on. It was very important to have constant Intel from that gate and that's all that alt was used for. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 238	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:39:00 - [24] - Quote GO AWAY! Dude just leave! You keep trying to **** on people's fun and it isn't cool. Saying what's on people's minds
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 327	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:42:00 - [25] - Quote Hairy Butter wrote: Poonmunch wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Were basically B.S. right? I mean the average person has at least two accounts logged in at any given time, so you can cut the "actual" number in half if not less right? Meaning TQ would drop down to about 10k people at night? Meaning Dust, this failure of a game, was already at 1/5th the size of EvE at the very least? Also meaning that Dust is more popular than Eve was the first 1-2 years.... GG CCP. Excuse my na+»ve question but why would people play on two accounts at the same time? Is it so one account can sit and shoot a mining laser at an asteroid like a mindless zombie in hi sec while the other goes into low sec stirring up the sh!t and getting ganked? I have a hard time understanding the pleasure people get from EVE. I've played it and it seems like such a job. Munch PvP with a logistics, ecm boat or just more firepower on 2nd account... Scouting and probing,, bait ships, opening cyno beacons for your capitals, spying/sabotage by having 2nd pilot in enemy fleet, being able to be active 2 different places in the universe when distance is huge, doing more high end pve with fewer people and so on. If eve is not fun for you then most likely you are doing it wrong, or maybe eve just is not for you, for most people its the former. Eve is about ~~speed, angles, tracking, signatures, preperation and deception~~ taking 20 minutes to go anywhere, needing at least 2-3 hours open at a time to play, definately at least 1 alt account, and being a master of spreadsheets in space.. or for some people its about huge spreadsheets :) Join Red versus Blue! FTFY. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 238	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:44:00 - [26] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: GO AWAY! Dude just leave! You keep trying to **** on people's fun and it isn't cool. Saying what's on people's minds
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1408	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:47:00 - [27] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Hairy Butter wrote: Poonmunch wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Were basically B.S. right? I mean the average person has at least two accounts logged in at any given time, so you can cut the "actual" number in half if not less right? Meaning TQ would drop down to about 10k people at night? Meaning Dust, this failure of a game, was already at 1/5th the size of EvE at the very least? Also meaning that Dust is more popular than Eve was the first 1-2 years.... GG CCP. Excuse my na+»ve question but why would people play on two accounts at the same time? Is it so one account can sit and shoot a mining laser at an asteroid like a mindless zombie in hi sec while the other goes into low sec stirring up the sh!t and getting ganked? I have a hard time understanding the pleasure people get from EVE. I've played it and it seems like such a job. Munch PvP with a logistics, ecm boat or just more firepower on 2nd account... Scouting and probing,, bait ships, opening cyno beacons for your capitals, spying/sabotage by having 2nd pilot in enemy fleet, being able to be active 2 different places in the universe when distance is huge, doing more high end pve with fewer people and so on. If eve is not fun for you then most likely you are doing it wrong, or maybe eve just is not for you, for most people its the former. Eve is about ~~speed, angles, tracking, signatures, preperation and deception~~ taking 20 minutes to go anywhere, needing at least 2-3 hours open at a time to play, definately at least 1 alt account, and being a master of spreadsheets in space.. or for some people its about huge spreadsheets :) Join Red versus Blue! FTFY. Perhaps you could make your point by presenting clear, reasonable arguments. Because, you know, crossing out parts of what someone else said and making a sarcastic remark doesn't help your case. At all. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Son Down SamsClub 134	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:47:00 - [28] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: That pretty much sums it up. When i played Eve i had aswell 2 accounts but i stopped cause its just boring and stupid. Dark Cloud is the definition of a scrub, but he is spot on regarding Eve.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 328	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:54:00 - [29] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Hairy Butter wrote: Poonmunch wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Were basically B.S. right? I mean the average person has at least two accounts logged in at any given time, so you can cut the "actual" number in half if not less right? Meaning TQ would drop down to about 10k people at night? Meaning Dust, this failure of a game, was already at 1/5th the size of EvE at the very least? Also meaning that Dust is more popular than Eve was the first 1-2 years.... GG CCP. Excuse my na+»ve question but why would people play on two accounts at the same time? Is it so one account can sit and shoot a mining laser at an asteroid like a mindless zombie in hi sec while the other goes into low sec stirring up the sh!t and getting ganked? I have a hard time understanding the pleasure people get from EVE. I've played it and it seems like such a job. Munch PvP with a logistics, ecm boat or just more firepower on 2nd account... Scouting and probing,, bait ships, opening cyno beacons for your capitals, spying/sabotage by having 2nd pilot in enemy fleet, being able to be active 2 different places in the universe when distance is huge, doing more high end pve with fewer people and so on. If eve is not fun for you then most likely you are doing it wrong, or maybe eve just is not for you, for most people its the former. Eve is about ~~speed, angles, tracking, signatures, preperation and deception~~ taking 20 minutes to go anywhere, needing at least 2-3 hours open at a time to play, definately at least 1 alt account, and being a master of spreadsheets in space.. or for some people its about huge spreadsheets :) Join Red versus Blue! FTFY. Perhaps you could make your point by presenting clear, reasonable arguments. Because, you know, crossing out parts of what someone else said and making a sarcastic remark doesn't help your case. At all. Hey look my favorite stalker. I have already said my piece in this thread, I just don't appreciate ANYONE is trying to act like eve has a lot of excitement. Sure when you get ganked/gank someone, it is fun... that fills about 1% of anyone's playtime. Oh and if people thought that the grind for affording suits is bad in Dust.... lol. Eve is just insanely grindy, whether that be sov grind, PI grind, Rat grind, incursion grind, mission grind, mining grind, or market grind... be prepared to repeat the smae exact action 80 bajillion times per T2 ship. Of course you will find the occasional B.S.er who says they get 4 billion isk a month with 3 hours of gameplay, but you can disregard these liars/T2 BPO owners. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 242	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:55:00 - [30] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: GO AWAY! Dude just leave! You keep trying to **** on people's fun and it isn't cool. Saying what's on people's minds

Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1409	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:59:00 - [31] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: I have already said my piece in this thread, I just don't appreciate ANYONE is trying to act like eve has a lot of excitement. Sure when you get ganked/gank someone, it is fun... that fills about 1% of anyone's playtime. That kind of excitement would give me a heart attack if it took up anymore time than that. And I haven't updated my clone in real-life yet, so I might lose some skills if that happens. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 328	Posted - 2014.05.10 19:18:00 - [32] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I have already said my piece in this thread, I just don't appreciate ANYONE is trying to act like eve has a lot of excitement. Sure when you get ganked/gank someone, it is fun... that fills about 1% of anyone's playtime. That kind of excitement would give me a heart attack if it took up anymore time than that. And I haven't updated my clone in real-life yet, so I might lose some skills if that happens. All B.S. aside do that immediately, seriously. Also, when you start getting way up there in SP it kinda sucks becausethere is no way to PvP for cheap. Your clone alone cost over 20 million isk. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 118	Posted - 2014.05.13 23:28:00 - [33] - Quote Mary Lilac wrote: Were basically B.S. right? I mean the average person has at least two accounts logged in at any given time, so you can cut the "actual" number in half if not less right? Meaning TQ would drop down to about 10k people at night? Meaning Dust, this failure of a game, was already at 1/5th the size of EvE at the very least? Also meaning that Dust is more popular than Eve was the first 1-2 years.... GG CCP. Not really. Most players will have 1 account, some will have 2. Less will have 3. Fewer will have 4. And so on. Its most likelly a Curve really.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 118	Posted - 2014.05.13 23:35:00 - [34] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Mary Lilac wrote: I myself threw in $200 over a 6 month period, which is WAY more than CCP would get from 2 accounts in Eve over that time period. Two subscriptions lasting for 6 months would bring in anywhere from $143.40 to $239.40 depending on the method of payment. The former would be by paying a standard subscription in 6-month intervals, the latter would be by using PLEX exclusively and not buying it in bulk (probably by buying it from other people who wanted to make some quick ISK). So, no. There's not a significant difference between the two sums. So,, you are just going to be a prick and make me break down every god-damn thing I say while you just throw out bull-**** eh? How about this.. I could get 12 months worth of eve for 131 dollars... or hell, with the power of two I could get 6 months of game time for the equivalent of $50, meaning my total for two accounts would be $115, so how about you just do everyone a favor and STFU. Yep, pretty big differences there dummy. While it is true than paying in 12-month intervals is cheaper than paying in 6-month intervals, you had stated that you had spent $200 dollars in a 6-month period, not a 12-month period, so I didn't think it was a good comparison. Subscription-based games generally have a pretty stable income from each consumer, but F2P games are quite a bit more erratic. For all I know you might have spent $200 in a 6-month period while the next and/or previous 6-month period you only spent a quarter as much as that. As for the power of two, that only works once per account, and only for a new account, so it's pretty situational. I'm not saying you couldn't play 12 months worth for significantly less than $200 dollars, I'm just saying that a meaningful number of players could have easily not done so. Your statement, after all, was "which is WAY more than CCP would get from 2 accounts in Eve of that time period" and not "which is a lot more than the minimum of what two accounts in EVE would have to pay". Well, even if it dosent make sense, my main EVE character, who I play for years, is on a 3 month plan, not 12 month plan. My second account was on a 3 months plan, I almost canceled it but ended up renewing for 1 month plans. Though it would be economically more suitable to just sub them for max periods, I really dont feel like paying that much money all in just 1 time, and prefer smaller recurrent payments for now.


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