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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:39:00 -
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The Ancient Exiles vs. Escrow Removal and Acquisitions war is upon us folks
But why should it matter to the average Proto dust player you ask?
BECAUSE ITS WAR, AND WAR MEANS MONEY
So, as many of you know AE and ERA have billions of iISK saved up for the future (future of what?)
And because of the amount of districts needed to fight (about 50 or more PCs a day)
Manpower is needed
So, simply find the nearest chatroom with AE or ERA in it and offer your services
If you have a squad of 5 proto/adv buddies, simply ask for 3-5 million ISK per merc per PC to be paid before the battle
Solo players should ask for about 2-3 million ISK per battle
If you don't get paid upfront then leave the battle empty
If you just want quick cash, just leave the battle right before it starts and leave your handler in dissaray
DISTRICT OR CORP ISK PAYMENTS SHOULD NEVER BE ACCEPTED
IF either side offers your corp districts, or big sums of ISK for your help DO NOT LISTEN
The winner will just come and take any districts back youve been given and you'll never get paid.
WHAT THE TWO SIDES HAVE TO SAY
AE says "Fight for us, we are the good guys, we wanna leave dust alone after the war and give out our districts to the public."
ERA says, "Fight for us, AE is the menace who made the big blue donut and wanted PFC. 100% conquest is no longer the goal, we want people to gain AEs districts after the war. AE doesn't deserve to be elite."
THE FACTS:
Escrow a few days ago sent out mails that 100% PC conquest is still a thing, and lying and decieving thr public is how they came to be of power, so no one should ever trust any Escrow
AE has been sitting down farming districts with Nyain San for nearly half a year or so no. Not saying they want %100 but with them still in power its still hundreds upon hundreds of districts that the public will never be able to play on.
Dust is unbalanced because the average corp wallets in DUST for 50 man corps are about 300-900 million ISK
The wallets of ERA/AE are about 20-85 billion ISK
Thus they are able to pay players great amounts of ISK and thus swallow up all the talent in dust
War wastes corp money, and A LOT of it, about 1-8 billion a day after the first few days
To stop the cash flow of these corps, prolonging the war should be your highest priority, as the longer the war goes, the more money EVERYONE in these corps lose
You stop the paychecks, and you start losing, and all the "talent" in these corps begin to leave to go elsewhere and it spreads out making no one faction overpowering thus opening PC back upto all
WHO TO FIGHT FOR
AE has had many of their players leave DUST, and are fighting an entire alliance with a "secret friend" helping, so they are currently out manned, and are defending
The longer they defend, the More money it takes for ESCROW to attack
Then, if AE successfully defends, them attacking ESCROW will immediately cause an ISK sink of billions to launch an offensive
So, I believe the best course of action is to help AE first
Then, a few days into the war, begin choosing sides based on who is winning and who is losing.
ALWAYS HELP THE LOSING SIDE
Go find a way to fight out there mercs, the longer the war the better dust will be!
And GO GET YOUR ISKS WORTH!
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:06:00 -
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Pushing Charlie wrote:Help whoever pays the most, no matter if they're winning or losing. If you only fight for who pays the most
Say escrow pays you 500 million ISK to ring for 3 days
And they win in 3 days
Then you have 500 million ISK
And nothing
Escrow now controls Molden heath and hundreds of billions of ISK
While you sit in your pub matches with 500 million ISK that you'll never ever use on anything
Because you can't "buy" a district with 500 mil, someone will just take it
The whole point of the endgame of DUST is Planetary Conquest and its being controlled at the moment by ISK queens
The only way to get PC back into everyone else's hands is to make it expensive for the queens and princesses so they lose their hold over their jesters
So don't fight for pays the most, fight for the losing side to prolonge the war
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
247
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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:10:00 -
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Arirana wrote:OP forgot to mention, AE changed most of the timers to when we eat breakfast (don't ask me why). Prepare to set your alarm clocks/skip work or just wait until the weekend if the war is still going on.
I don't play much anymore so I just found out, seems pretty childish and unoriginal to hide with Nyains timers
But AE has been doing district locking etc. with their districts from day 1 I've heard so why expect anything different now I suppose
But oh well I degress
You guys have timers to defend at other times too
But you would be surprised how many people are on that early in other timezones
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
253
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Posted - 2014.05.09 23:14:00 -
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Honestly I think if Kane wins it'll be the end of dust pretty much for a while unless fatal jumps up to take a swing or 0uter.heaven comes back in force from the other games we've moved to
Which it won't because zatara isn't a leader, hes a leader of followers
And us 0uter.Heaven guys are still wondering why the community thinks we are the bad guys
And if AE wins, I think most of them will come back just to say they are on top
And the rest will go back to jerking it to anime po rn
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
253
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Posted - 2014.05.09 23:22:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:most likely...though i wonder how pc would turn out if faction warfare army were to ever take control of molden heath.
that thought aside dns does need to be put down.
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If faction warfare army ever controls Molden heath
I'll burn myself to the stake
And lol
Or just go by myself into every last PC and 5 cap them
Not saying anything bad about them
Just saying the last time I faced a team of 14 of them I went 53-4 in a adv cal scout solo and my team won
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
254
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Posted - 2014.05.09 23:59:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:CHANCEtheChAn wrote:
And us 0uter.Heaven guys are still wondering why the community thinks we are the bad guys
It isn't the community, it is just anyone who has ever been allied with you. Radar is a snake and we all know it :D. Pick whatever side you want, but know this. AE didn't set their timers to 12:00 to "give them up". With just a little bit more effort than it took to set those timers, they could have sold off the districts if they really wanted to give them up. Kept a few for each timer for the GUDFIGHTS and been on their way after they get removed. ERA was ready to attack AE after they attacked fight club. Fanfest changed the game. We know that corps being involved in PC is one of the only ways we can add longevity to this game. We aren't going to box people out.
AE attacked PFC. And Escrow took control over it.
Escrow could have just as easily given up districts as easy as AE
And yet instead continued to take more and more and STILL continues to want to take more
If you want to make AE look bad
Make sure it doesn't make yourself look worse first
AE put their timers at 12:00 because they are scared and probably will get Nyain San to help defend them
As its probably the only allies they've got
But tomorrow will show everyone's true resolve
AE has been known to no life the weeks away when its time to hunker down
While Escrows no life percentage has yet to be determined
This war won't be a normal war
12:00 timer battles have officially made this into the " No life war" "war of no lifers" (NLW or WNL, can't decide which is cooler)
Whatever corp has the least men with responsibilities will win this war
7am your dealing with kids, work, wife/husband, morning, the day itself
The people most putting these responsibilities on hold, or not having any at all win win this one boys o7
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
254
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Posted - 2014.05.10 00:06:00 -
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Lv2spd2 wrote:CHANCEtheChAn wrote: And us 0uter.Heaven guys are still wondering why the community thinks we are the bad guys
One too many cases of Core nade spam I'd guess. I was core nade spamming since chromosome back when it was cool and no one had them
Then a few people who ran with me in D3lta forc3 came to 0uter.heaven and learned how to throw nades like I did and we just got good with them
Its not like we were sitting in nanohives on the bridge one shot charging people with scramblers and then chunking 6 cores in a row like Nyain San
Or carrying 47 1/2 nanohives in our OP slayer logi fits just so we could rep and throw at the same time like AE
We were just good with them
If one or more of our guys were just sitting in hives to spam core nades I apologize
But the main OP core throwers I know in 0.H. Is me, Delta blitzkrieg, and Rexero
And we were all Caldari Assaults so...
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.10 01:05:00 -
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fdfggdfgfd wrote:CHANCEtheChAn wrote:Arirana wrote:OP forgot to mention, AE changed most of the timers to when we eat breakfast (don't ask me why). Prepare to set your alarm clocks/skip work or just wait until the weekend if the war is still going on. I don't play much anymore so I just found out, seems pretty childish and unoriginal to hide with Nyains timers But AE has been doing district locking etc. with their districts from day 1 I've heard so why expect anything different now I suppose But oh well I degress You guys have timers to defend at other times too But you would be surprised how many people are on that early in other timezones False, you're thinking of WarRavens, Molon Labe, and KEQ. AE's districts were always online till FA locked up their 10 districts like bitches while profiting off of it and attacked safely. In protest of CCP's broken mechnics, AE followed suit.
An alt protecting AE saying "we did it because they did it"
I sware out out of the maybe 50 or so comments I've received today from DNS or AE
Not a response has been short of childish
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
260
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Posted - 2014.05.10 02:37:00 -
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noobsniper the 2nd wrote:Well uhh if you guys need me ill be on payday 2 just ask hynox to msg me Wes be on payday 2 son
And ACVD
get in touch with us through DUST
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.10 04:18:00 -
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:CHANCEtheChAn wrote:fdfggdfgfd wrote:CHANCEtheChAn wrote:Arirana wrote:OP forgot to mention, AE changed most of the timers to when we eat breakfast (don't ask me why). Prepare to set your alarm clocks/skip work or just wait until the weekend if the war is still going on. I don't play much anymore so I just found out, seems pretty childish and unoriginal to hide with Nyains timers But AE has been doing district locking etc. with their districts from day 1 I've heard so why expect anything different now I suppose But oh well I degress You guys have timers to defend at other times too But you would be surprised how many people are on that early in other timezones False, you're thinking of WarRavens, Molon Labe, and KEQ. AE's districts were always online till FA locked up their 10 districts like bitches while profiting off of it and attacked safely. In protest of CCP's broken mechnics, AE followed suit. An alt protecting AE saying "we did it because they did it" I sware out out of the maybe 50 or so comments I've received today from DNS or AE Not a response has been short of childish I don't know who's alt that is or if it is just some random who slammed their hand on a keyboard to make a name... but! He is right, AE didn't lock "since day 1" AE was one of the last corps to lock and only locked after the majority of corps in PC were already locking. RA got sick of everyone locking and CCP doing nothing so we decided to join in the bs to make PC come to a complete stop. The only corp that I know for a fact as locked for a VERY long time is Molon Labe. KEQ has come under question now though by many people but I don't know about that so I will stay out of it. That alt isn't Roner, I can tell you that lol and the text patterns do not seem familiar of anyone that I know of in AE... Hm...
Molon deserves **** in their stocking this Christmas for the amount of locking that is sure
BUT
You got sick of everyone locking districts
And wanted CCP to do something about it
So you locked with them
They "fixed" district locking, but not really
So when the plan to hold 100% of Molden Heath came up to AE
OF COURSE YOU DID IT TO MAKE A POINT TO CCP!
lol
It didn't work the first time so you did it again and OMG NO WAY
NOTHING HAPPENED
You did it to own 100% no matter how much you try to explain to mommy otherwise
I'm tired of AEs and Escrows bullshit replies and covering your own asses
Go play your NLW (No life war) and be done with dust so I can play with actual people instead of horny boys with more terabytes of anime **** than my college has free memory space
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.10 12:02:00 -
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SHOOOOTER wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote:CHANCEtheChAn wrote:
And us 0uter.Heaven guys are still wondering why the community thinks we are the bad guys
It isn't the community, it is just anyone who has ever been allied with you. Radar is a snake and we all know it :D. Pick whatever side you want, but know this. AE didn't set their timers to 12:00 to "give them up". With just a little bit more effort than it took to set those timers, they could have sold off the districts if they really wanted to give them up. Kept a few for each timer for the GUDFIGHTS and been on their way after they get removed. ERA was ready to attack AE after they attacked fight club. Fanfest changed the game. We know that corps being involved in PC is one of the only ways we can add longevity to this game. We aren't going to box people out. Hmm almost all of PC is under attack?
"All of PC" Isnt saying much anymore
I will try to find new chat channels today for everyone to join to ring in the war
If you join, and they ask for ringers, this sis how you should proceed in the chat/chats
X (Your class/equipment/role)
Example: AE Representative "We need ringers, who's here?"
I would then immediately post
"X Proto Cal scout/links, hives/slayer, scanner"
This shows that I am a proto cal scout that specializes in links and hives, and can slay or provide squad scans
This is what my corp usually uses for our big Planetary Conquest fights if we need ringers, as a way to organize squads
But this is AE and Escrow, so giving your info may be unnecessary as they try to cram you into PC by the bus load
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.11 05:41:00 -
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Never mind guys
"Wars" over...
Kane spero couldn't take a single district
And he knows he lost
So instead of at least trying once more, he just gave up instead of wasting 1 precious ISK of his billions
Any normal respectable corp would have tried again
But I forgot these guys don't have any dignity
And I'm not sure if AE not launching any offensive is any better
Seems pretty lazy and halfhearted to me
This whole thing was a big waste of time and more dissapointing than fan fest
This was supposed to be a hundred billion ISK war
And make people come back to DUST
Instead it just wasted peoples time and energy
For nothing
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.11 06:08:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Did you read the threads in the war room bro? Some interesting reads in there concerning the situation.
All i see is lying and propaganda
I'm not interested in all the bullshit
People run this game like a damn presidential election
When me and 0uter.heaven are basically like "we don't like you, your bad to other corps so you got to go, we are going to attack you now and take all your crap, get ready bro"
While AE or Era would be like "Well here's the thing guys, we respect you and your corp and it is really unfortunate we have to do this, but it has come to our attention that you are a threat to the community as a whole and we are going to take it upon ourselvesto take all the A/B team players we pay to be in our corps, to rain down the hand of righteousness upon you and take everything you own. Now, you can no longer be a threat to the people of Molden Heath!"
Translation: Your a threat to us and we are taking your **** cause we can
After they win : " have we took all you have, you mad bro?"
Its dumb and childish
These forum warriors take Meta to a WHOLE new level
And most of them are **** in the actual game anyway
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.11 06:45:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:I understand how you feel bro. It's still interesting to read nevertheless. Especially the mud slinging back and forth.
Its like two magikarps splashing in mud
Flail and yell at each other all they want
They still won't ever be a gyarados that way
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.11 09:13:00 -
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Lol jenza a little late on the ball but that's okay, because there was no ball
No war
No chat channel
Which is really a shame
But hey
You made my thread CPM worthy
And I had fun ringing for you and your A team back in 1.1
+1
Hell, you might even make it into my signature :)
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.11 09:16:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:Your prices are a little high though.
Mercs were paid 2 mill per battle for each battle, win or lose and complete vehicle replacement. I am pretty sure AE had 100% customer satisfaction and there was no money given up front. Negotiations can be done like gentlemen.
Well I was planning for this war to get heated and manpower to become a serious factor
That is why the prices were so high
Oh
Wait
I lied
It was TOTALLY not because your sitting on 25-85 billion ISK
How could I ever be so greedy
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.11 17:21:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:CHANCEtheChAn wrote:bigolenuts wrote:Your prices are a little high though.
Mercs were paid 2 mill per battle for each battle, win or lose and complete vehicle replacement. I am pretty sure AE had 100% customer satisfaction and there was no money given up front. Negotiations can be done like gentlemen. Well I was planning for this war to get heated and manpower to become a serious factor That is why the prices were so high Oh Wait I lied It was TOTALLY not because your sitting on 25-85 billion ISK How could I ever be so greedy You're wrong about the ISK. It's ok though. You seemed pretty uninformed all the way through the read.
Actually its informed consent
The 25 districts you had for say the 4 or so months you had them made you about 15-30 billion
The 60 or so districts you've had for about 3 months now have made you about 35-55 billion
So you factor in the high sides of those equations and you get about 85 billion
But then you factor in paychecks to your members at 5-20 mil of your lower tier members and 100+mil of your higher tier members
Well I won't calculate that because I don't know your member count over the months
But
A normal paycheck load is between 15-35% of the monthly intake
So take 35% of your high side and you get around 50 billion, 40 billion to be safe
So my original assumption was wrong and I apologize
But the fact is this
If your ISK bank is lower than this
It means people have been dipping in the cookie jar
Or you guys are giving WAY too much money away too...who exactly?
Because this district history goes only as far back as 6 months when I rejoined dust
If you had districts before then this bank number would be billions higher
So if your hurting in the money department
You might wanna fire your treasurer
If you have more than this, which you might
Then your just plain cheap
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.11 23:58:00 -
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Riptalis wrote:What are you people talking about?! Are you saying I could get PAID to fight in a battle? I don't have a pc, I don't know if that matters or not.... Fill me in!
You see normally I would scoff and simply laugh at a player like this
But thanks to the leaving of multitude of protostomping fotm power hungry veterans
Players like this can now thrive in DUST and usher in a whole new community
Hopefully a better community
And there may in fact one day be hope for dust after all
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.12 00:19:00 -
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SteelDark Knight wrote:CHANCEtheChAn wrote:
A normal paycheck load is between 15-35% of the monthly intake
Try 75% to 85%. We paid our players instead of allowing management to get fat on the efforts of their members. They earned it. Edit: Or Djinn Kujo stole the wallet. He is known for that.
75% to 85% is dumb
The MAX we gave out when we owned 25 districts was 40%
This was because we were constantly saving up for war that we knew one day would come
And it did
Little did we know that we would try and start it though
I still hear conflicting reports constantly on what everyone "heard" why we attacked AE a few months back
And I've never been a forum warrior to tell anyone what really happened
The reason we originally attacked AE was quite simple
We heard from several sources inside and outside of AE that AE and other corps were soon conspiring to take %100 of Molden heath for themselves
Me and two other 0.H. Directors at the time confided into each other about it and brought this to radars attention
Let it be known, that a corp meeting was then held a few days later whether to war against AE because we knew that if AE did go for a land grab we did not know if we had the means to stop it
And the community sure as hell didn't at the time
During this corp meeting
42 votes were cast to protect everyone from a broken planetary conquest where one entity ruled Molden heath
There were 40 yes's
And 2 No's
The two No's were Radar and 1st Lt. Tiberius
CEO and director
And when we pulled the trigger Radar became the backstabbing bandit of Molden Heath
And everyone spun it to the community that we were the "bad guys"
The "terrorists"
This was never a ploy saying we disliked AE
Or a giant land grab
Or anything of the sort
We were just trying to protect as many corps as we could
And we lost
And two months later Molden Heath was under complete control
PC was now broken
DUST was now stagnant and about as fun as a rotten pumpkin
Not sure why I'm writing this here/now but I guess I just needed to say it
We never "hated AE", we actually had a lot of fun in our daily skirmishes and such
And I know you were thinking you were doing good with 100% because most of the vets stayed
What you didn't see is the hundreds maybe even thousands of players that left dust during the big blue donut that don't sit on the forums every day pleasuring them selves like the forum warriors do
People like me who have been around for 2 years and haven't even touched the forums till fanfest
But GG AE
I wish you all well on your future endeavors
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.05.12 21:14:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:No war? Damn, I was thisclose to actually thinking about maybe playing Dust again. Oh well.
The war is still kinda sorta going on
Heavens lost property is defending and protecting some districts
But also losing those districts
But ERA will soon be exterminated
And Nyain San will either hold 50% of Molden heath or give up %25 of it to the public
Either way start taking as many districts as you can while you can
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