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Ribbons Allmark CELESTIAL BEING keepers of peace 35	Posted - 2014.05.09 16:55:00 - [1] - Quote I guess since the players never voted for our own CPM and the current CPM was voted on by CCP they can sound like they work for CCP. 1 in 3 dust players is pissed about project legion. However not one of the CPM is pissed about it. Just thought I would point that out. Cause just using the laws of statistics one of them would be pissed. However none of them are which is very odd which leads me to believe that they are in fact employees for CCP Quick question does CCP give you kick backs?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14816	Posted - 2014.05.09 16:57:00 - [2] - Quote So... where does Cazderon fit in this picture? Also Jenza doesn't have a PC. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Ribbons Allmark CELESTIAL BEING keepers of peace 35	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:03:00 - [3] - Quote honestly IWS you used to be respected now you a SELLOUT who aint even getting paid lmao
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1367	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:06:00 - [4] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: I guess since the players never voted for our own CPM and the current CPM was voted on by CCP they can sound like they work for CCP. 1 in 3 dust players is pissed about project legion. However not one of the CPM is pissed about it. Just thought I would point that out. Cause just using the laws of statistics one of them would be pissed. However none of them are which is very odd which leads me to believe that they are in fact employees for CCP Quick question does CCP give you kick backs? Perhaps it might have something to do with how CCP presented EVE: Legion. CPM heard about EVE: Legion from CCP before the massive PR fail and thus their opinions are unaffected by it. Also, there are no "laws of statistics". They just don't exist. Ribbons Allmark wrote: honestly IWS you used to be respected now you a SELLOUT who aint even getting paid lmao Oh, shut up already. You don't know what you're talking about. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
THE 2000 SWINE Commando Perkone Caldari State 44	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:06:00 - [5] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: I guess since the players never voted for our own CPM and the current CPM was voted on by CCP they can sound like they work for CCP. 1 in 3 dust players is pissed about project legion. However not one of the CPM is pissed about it. Just thought I would point that out. Cause just using the laws of statistics one of them would be pissed. However none of them are which is very odd which leads me to believe that they are in fact employees for CCP Quick question does CCP give you kick backs? No kick backs, because snakes (CCP) have no legs.
THE 2000 SWINE Commando Perkone Caldari State 44	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:09:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So... where does Cazderon fit in this picture? Also Jenza doesn't have a PC. Stop trying to be a hammer, and settle for being a TOOL.
Samael Artico Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 104	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:11:00 - [7] - Quote THE 2000 SWINE wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So... where does Cazderon fit in this picture? Also Jenza doesn't have a PC. Stop trying to be a hammer, and settle for being a TOOL. Isn't that what the CPM is accused of being? Tools? So why are you encouraging it? Fail troll is fail.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14818	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:16:00 - [8] - Quote Hammer is a tool... This one is confused at what troll one is saying. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Final Resolution. 1771	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:17:00 - [9] - Quote I would agree that a third of DUST players are pissed about Legion but not all for the same reason. I am mad because of how it was released and the ambiguity of "applicable." It is an anger out of a lack of respect given to me as a customer and fear for what it means for a game that I enjoy. Remember they heard about it months before us and CCP should have released it to all of us. This gives them several months to cool down off the initial shock to the system. They also didn't hear it announced in the matter of "Here is Legion" and "bye!" as Rouge runs off the stage which means less of a reason to be angry. No, don't say "CPM should have told us." That is asking a person to fall on a real life sword in breaking the NDA. That's not a "We have banned Jenza's account", that is a "see you in court" thing. I have plenty of friends and family that work in industries that if it was discovered they would break an NDA that it could potentially screw their career. What would a law firm think of an employee that would disregard an NDA? I know I wouldn't want to have a lawyer, social worker, anyone that I trust my private information with to be someone that would break an NDA. As annoyed as I am about what happened, I could not bring myself to want them to break that NDA. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 270	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:17:00 - [10] - Quote It's been this way from the beginning. The Council for Player Manipulation has always been a tool belt.

Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 944	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:20:00 - [11] - Quote ITT: Console kiddies who aren't tech savvy enough to realize why Dust on the PS3 will never 'work' come up with stupid theories to cover for their own ignorance / denial.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1367	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:23:00 - [12] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: It's been this way from the beginning. The Council for Player Manipulation has always been a tool belt. "Council of Player Manipulation", eh? That's an awfully ironic name, as I've never once seen a CPM member used to manipulate the community. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2271	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:26:00 - [13] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: I guess since the players never voted for our own CPM and the current CPM was voted on by CCP they can sound like they work for CCP. 1 in 3 dust players is pissed about project legion. However not one of the CPM is pissed about it. Just thought I would point that out. Cause just using the laws of statistics one of them would be pissed. However none of them are which is very odd which leads me to believe that they are in fact employees for CCP Quick question does CCP give you kick backs? Since the day they were appointed by CCP instead of elected.
Rudio Resonance Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:27:00 - [14] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Also, there are no "laws of statistics". They just don't exist. meant laws of probability
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1367	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:30:00 - [15] - Quote Rudio Resonance wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Also, there are no "laws of statistics". They just don't exist. meant laws of probability Most likely. Still, probability doesn't mean much, especially not in a small group. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
The Noob Destroyer 846	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:32:00 - [16] - Quote CPM stands for CCP's Pet Monkeys Who am I? I am just a nobody.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4366	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:32:00 - [17] - Quote Just stop it man. Really, try to have some maturity about this instead of sending little jabs like a 5th grader. The lot of you are quite immature in dealing with this situation. The fact is, many mature minded adults have thought about it and see that the Dust we all want is more possible on PC, than it is on a dying last generation console. We don't like how it was introduced. But that isn't reason enough to continue this childish tirade. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4536	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:33:00 - [18] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So... where does Cazderon fit in this picture? Also Jenza doesn't have a PC. IWS you posted what is possibly the most despised & biased thread this forum has ever seen, and on this very issue. Your opinion is entirely irrelevant here. RIP Stinky Sleeve. RIP Dust514. See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3235	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:35:00 - [19] - Quote Maybe there is a reason they aren't pissed. Could be that the **** has passed since they knew about this and have had time to accept it(since there was nothing they could do except voice their concern about everything) Or maybe they know something else and can't tell us(yet) "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
THE 2000 SWINE Commando Perkone Caldari State 44	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:38:00 - [20] - Quote Samael Artico wrote: THE 2000 SWINE wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So... where does Cazderon fit in this picture? Also Jenza doesn't have a PC. Stop trying to be a hammer, and settle for being a TOOL. Isn't that what the CPM is accused of being? Tools? So why are you encouraging it? Fail troll is fail. What are you a toilet plunger? Helping the **** to flow?

THE 2000 SWINE Commando Perkone Caldari State 47	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:41:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Hammer is a tool... This one is confused at what troll one is saying. You are indeed confused.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2966	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:46:00 - [22] - Quote Since when were they lap dogs? Ever since they were appointed for IRC brown nosing and not elected by the player base
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4366	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:46:00 - [23] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Maybe there is a reason they aren't pissed. Could be that the **** has passed since they knew about this and have had time to accept it(since there was nothing they could do except voice their concern about everything) Or maybe they know something else and can't tell us(yet) I'm willing to bet they could have been upset too. But they represent the community and they are in a "official" position. They have to have some tact and diplomacy when dealing with the situation. They can't just outright spazz out-that's not good for the community or for getting their opinions heard. Loud talking, name calling and such is not what they should be doing. Handle it with some professionalism. I respect that than the CPM's joining some mercs and creating a hostile environment on the forums. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1367	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:49:00 - [24] - Quote Assuming that, like the OP has claimed, 1/3 of the Dust 514 community is against the idea of EVE: Legion, there's a roughly 12.5% chance that a randomly picked group of five people from the community would unanimously support EVE: Legion. It's not a very large number, but it's significant enough to be plausible. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4537	Posted - 2014.05.09 19:27:00 - [25] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Assuming that, like the OP has claimed, 1/3 of the Dust 514 community is against the idea of EVE: Legion, there's a roughly 12.5% chance that a randomly picked group of five people from the community would unanimously support EVE: Legion. It's not a very large number, but it's significant enough to be plausible. I think it's more likely that spending more time alonside the devs than the community they're intended to represent can give them a skewed perspective on proceedings. RIP Stinky Sleeve. RIP Dust514. See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 98	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:19:00 - [26] - Quote When irc and Twitter were the best ways to communicate with the devs. Basicly day one, review the twitter msgs #dust514 from oct 2011 to march 2012. Tada cpm0 Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 300	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:38:00 - [27] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I would agree that a third of DUST players are pissed about Legion but not all for the same reason. I am mad because of how it was released and the ambiguity of "applicable." It is an anger out of a lack of respect given to me as a customer and fear for what it means for a game that I enjoy. Remember they heard about it months before us and CCP should have released it to all of us. This gives them several months to cool down off the initial shock to the system. They also didn't hear it announced in the matter of "Here is Legion" and "bye!" as Rouge runs off the stage which means less of a reason to be angry. No, don't say "CPM should have told us." That is asking a person to fall on a real life sword in breaking the NDA. That's not a "We have banned Jenza's account", that is a "see you in court" thing. I have plenty of friends and family that work in industries that if it was discovered they would break an NDA that it could potentially screw their career. What would a law firm think of an employee that would disregard an NDA? I know I wouldn't want to have a lawyer, social worker, anyone that I trust my private information with to be someone that would break an NDA. As annoyed as I am about what happened, I could not bring myself to want them to break that NDA. Lol game leaks happen all the time who was the last person to be sued by Dev/Publisher. For game leaks lmao. Please tell me how would CCP know if said info was leaked to IGN as a unnamed source? Please stop with NDA excuse it's pathetic.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14836	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:43:00 - [28] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Maybe there is a reason they aren't pissed. Could be that the **** has passed since they knew about this and have had time to accept it(since there was nothing they could do except voice their concern about everything) Or maybe they know something else and can't tell us(yet) The prior, we were rather livid at the time; we did have a few weeks to calm down and many many rounds of 'brotalk'. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 73	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:50:00 - [29] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: I guess since the players never voted for our own CPM and the current CPM was voted on by CCP they can sound like they work for CCP. 1 in 3 dust players is pissed about project legion. However not one of the CPM is pissed about it. Just thought I would point that out. Cause just using the laws of statistics one of them would be pissed. However none of them are which is very odd which leads me to believe that they are in fact employees for CCP Quick question does CCP give you kick backs? Have you actually been paying attention? Probalby not. I know Kain and a few others were upset about how it was handled. Educate yourself before you QQ on the forums. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/2014/05/07/hd-33-red-wedding-fanfest-style/ Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 73	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:52:00 - [30] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: ITT: Console kiddies who aren't tech savvy enough to realize why Dust on the PS3 will never 'work' come up with stupid theories to cover for their own ignorance / denial. this. Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14836	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:55:00 - [31] - Quote PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: When irc and Twitter were the best ways to communicate with the devs. Basicly day one, review the twitter msgs #dust514 from oct 2011 to march 2012. Tada cpm0 We communicate with CCP rather often also there have been plenty of twitter interactions. For example I do try to find something funny about every meeting we have with CCP to tweet; some folks caught on to what those where. 3870 total pages so far 103,471 exchanges 1.1 million words uncountable number of exchanges on IRC (I don't feel like log compiling all of that) untold amounts of offline communications via emails; internal reviews; communications; unofficial meetings with specific individuals and private conversations. 56 hours in meetings online All the meanwhile we still have; work, life obligations; moving; job hunting; college; and still playing the game and still having ingame obligations to our corps or ideals. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 119	Posted - 2014.05.09 22:30:00 - [32] - Quote We were led on in order to spend more money. Stop with that weak ass "realization of ps3" hardware **. If we knew the project would be abandoned this quickly no one would've bought or pushed ccp's brand. The CPM also had a hand in this; remember all of iws's posts hyping up fan fest? Alluding to new content. Even though he knew otherwise. Say w/e the fun you want about it's buisness and all that other . It's slimy, greedy, shady, scetchy. You wouldn't do that kind of ** to friends and family members would you? Maybe you would. Lazor focus these nuts.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14849	Posted - 2014.05.10 01:48:00 - [33] - Quote hold that wrote: We were led on in order to spend more money. Stop with that weak ass "realization of ps3" hardware **. If we knew the project would be abandoned this quickly no one would've bought or pushed ccp's brand. The CPM also had a hand in this; remember all of iws's posts hyping up fan fest? Alluding to new content. Even though he knew otherwise. Say w/e the fun you want about it's buisness and all that other . It's slimy, greedy, shady, scetchy. You wouldn't do that kind of ** to friends and family members would you? Maybe you would. Lazor focus these nuts. Last I checked there has been no plans to shut down dust 514 anytime soon. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Onesimus Tarsus 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2003	Posted - 2014.05.10 02:07:00 - [34] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: hold that wrote: We were led on in order to spend more money. Stop with that weak ass "realization of ps3" hardware **. If we knew the project would be abandoned this quickly no one would've bought or pushed ccp's brand. The CPM also had a hand in this; remember all of iws's posts hyping up fan fest? Alluding to new content. Even though he knew otherwise. Say w/e the fun you want about it's buisness and all that other . It's slimy, greedy, shady, scetchy. You wouldn't do that kind of ** to friends and family members would you? Maybe you would. Lazor focus these nuts. Last I checked there has been no plans to shut down dust 514 anytime soon. So, you have heard plans to develop new dust content and functionality? Battlefield 1943. Running since 2009. I'm diskinetic, BTW. Birth, growth, decline, death.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 8258	Posted - 2014.05.10 02:18:00 - [35] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: ITT: Console kiddies who aren't tech savvy enough to realize why Dust on the PS3 will never 'work' come up with stupid theories to cover for their own ignorance / denial. Don't you have to be a console kiddie as well to even post on these forums? Though to be fair, DUST 514 could have worked on the PS3. Bungie, Zipper Interactive, Rockstar, and other developers have already proven several times that such a concept could work on the PS3 if the developers are competent. #Can'tCodeProperly. CCP Rouge (Crowd Control Productions - 'Neo' EVE: Legion) DUST 514 -HAND
Mojo XXXIII Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 418	Posted - 2014.05.10 02:22:00 - [36] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: hold that wrote: We were led on in order to spend more money. Stop with that weak ass "realization of ps3" hardware **. If we knew the project would be abandoned this quickly no one would've bought or pushed ccp's brand. The CPM also had a hand in this; remember all of iws's posts hyping up fan fest? Alluding to new content. Even though he knew otherwise. Say w/e the fun you want about it's buisness and all that other . It's slimy, greedy, shady, scetchy. You wouldn't do that kind of ** to friends and family members would you? Maybe you would. Lazor focus these nuts. Last I checked there has been no plans to shut down dust 514 anytime soon. So, you have heard plans to develop new dust content and functionality? Unfortunately, "not shutting down" and "developping new content for" are two very different things.
Onesimus Tarsus 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2003	Posted - 2014.05.10 02:50:00 - [37] - Quote Mojo XXXIII wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: hold that wrote: We were led on in order to spend more money. Stop with that weak ass "realization of ps3" hardware **. If we knew the project would be abandoned this quickly no one would've bought or pushed ccp's brand. The CPM also had a hand in this; remember all of iws's posts hyping up fan fest? Alluding to new content. Even though he knew otherwise. Say w/e the fun you want about it's buisness and all that other . It's slimy, greedy, shady, scetchy. You wouldn't do that kind of ** to friends and family members would you? Maybe you would. Lazor focus these nuts. Last I checked there has been no plans to shut down dust 514 anytime soon. So, you have heard plans to develop new dust content and functionality? Unfortunately, "not shutting down" and "developping new content for" are two very different things. So are "not shutting down" and "never finishing". Battlefield 1943. Running since 2009. I'm diskinetic, BTW. Birth, growth, decline, death.
Sick Metagamer Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2014.05.10 03:01:00 - [38] - Quote Only a fool signs a NDA without getting paid. Just saying....
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3041	Posted - 2014.05.10 03:12:00 - [39] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: hold that wrote: We were led on in order to spend more money. Stop with that weak ass "realization of ps3" hardware **. If we knew the project would be abandoned this quickly no one would've bought or pushed ccp's brand. The CPM also had a hand in this; remember all of iws's posts hyping up fan fest? Alluding to new content. Even though he knew otherwise. Say w/e the fun you want about it's buisness and all that other . It's slimy, greedy, shady, scetchy. You wouldn't do that kind of ** to friends and family members would you? Maybe you would. Lazor focus these nuts. Last I checked there has been no plans to shut down dust 514 anytime soon. If thats the case then why havent we saw a hint for new content then since fanfest? You can say whatever you want but the community does not believe a single word from the CPM nor CCP until they show us something that keeps us interested. So far the only thing that CCP did was to show a fancy vid from a shiny dust. And dont tell me that more players on a map isnt possible, if MAG was capable to do it then dust can do it too.
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 305	Posted - 2014.05.10 04:18:00 - [40] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: I guess since the players never voted for our own CPM and the current CPM was voted on by CCP they can sound like they work for CCP. 1 in 3 dust players is pissed about project legion. However not one of the CPM is pissed about it. Just thought I would point that out. Cause just using the laws of statistics one of them would be pissed. However none of them are which is very odd which leads me to believe that they are in fact employees for CCP Quick question does CCP give you kick backs? Perhaps it might have something to do with how CCP presented EVE: Legion. CPM heard about EVE: Legion from CCP before the massive PR fail and thus their opinions are unaffected by it. Also, there are no "laws of statistics". They just don't exist. Ribbons Allmark wrote: honestly IWS you used to be respected now you a SELLOUT who aint even getting paid lmao Oh, shut up already. You don't know what you're talking about. Yes he is right, IWS is quite possibly the worst person to ever be a part of the CPM/CSM to date, and there have been some horrible people. He: 1) always thinks he is right. I have seen him PROVEN wrong a few times and he never admits it 2) supports PC and was happy to see Dust die and legion born (i.e. shouldn't be ON THE DUST PANEL) 3) has just tons of horrible ideas, seriously has no idea about game design 4) will brown nose the hell out of CCP. Seriously the worse person I have ever seen do this. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!

Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 305	Posted - 2014.05.10 04:19:00 - [41] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: hold that wrote: We were led on in order to spend more money. Stop with that weak ass "realization of ps3" hardware **. If we knew the project would be abandoned this quickly no one would've bought or pushed ccp's brand. The CPM also had a hand in this; remember all of iws's posts hyping up fan fest? Alluding to new content. Even though he knew otherwise. Say w/e the fun you want about it's buisness and all that other . It's slimy, greedy, shady, scetchy. You wouldn't do that kind of ** to friends and family members would you? Maybe you would. Lazor focus these nuts. Last I checked there has been no plans to shut down dust 514 anytime soon. If thats the case then why havent we saw a hint for new content then since fanfest? You can say whatever you want but the community does not believe a single word from the CPM nor CCP until they show us something that keeps us interested. So far the only thing that CCP did was to show a fancy vid from a shiny dust. And dont tell me that more players on a map isnt possible, if MAG was capable to do it then dust can do it too. Dude, IWS is basically a CCP sounding post. He is also a BIG supporter of killing dust and making legion. IF you expect him/half of the CPM to do their jobs and represent THE DUST PLAYERS you are sadly mistaken. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14853	Posted - 2014.05.10 04:36:00 - [42] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: hold that wrote: We were led on in order to spend more money. Stop with that weak ass "realization of ps3" hardware **. If we knew the project would be abandoned this quickly no one would've bought or pushed ccp's brand. The CPM also had a hand in this; remember all of iws's posts hyping up fan fest? Alluding to new content. Even though he knew otherwise. Say w/e the fun you want about it's buisness and all that other . It's slimy, greedy, shady, scetchy. You wouldn't do that kind of ** to friends and family members would you? Maybe you would. Lazor focus these nuts. Last I checked there has been no plans to shut down dust 514 anytime soon. So, you have heard plans to develop new dust content and functionality? Not yet; CPM has submitted things they'd like to see change. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 265	Posted - 2014.05.10 05:35:00 - [43] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Just stop it man. Really, try to have some maturity about this instead of sending little jabs like a 5th grader. The lot of you are quite immature in dealing with this situation. The fact is, many mature minded adults have thought about it and see that the Dust we all want is more possible on PC, than it is on a dying last generation console. We don't like how it was introduced. But that isn't reason enough to continue this childish tirade. the fact is a whole hells lot of the people that play only console left this stain on their hard drive behind never looking so the never check the forums to see whats up Dont confuse acceptance with leaving NOBODY FUCKING CARES AVOUT YOUR FUCKING CONCOLE OR PC
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 5257	Posted - 2014.05.10 07:15:00 - [44] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: I guess since the players never voted for our own CPM and the current CPM was voted on by CCP they can sound like they work for CCP. 1 in 3 dust players is pissed about project legion. However not one of the CPM is pissed about it. Just thought I would point that out. Cause just using the laws of statistics one of them would be pissed. However none of them are which is very odd which leads me to believe that they are in fact employees for CCP Quick question does CCP give you kick backs? Are you kidding? NONE of them are pissed about it? Why don't you ask the people at FanFest who heard Hans yelling at CCP from over the balcony outside the theater.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3249	Posted - 2014.05.10 07:33:00 - [45] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: I guess since the players never voted for our own CPM and the current CPM was voted on by CCP they can sound like they work for CCP. 1 in 3 dust players is pissed about project legion. However not one of the CPM is pissed about it. Just thought I would point that out. Cause just using the laws of statistics one of them would be pissed. However none of them are which is very odd which leads me to believe that they are in fact employees for CCP Quick question does CCP give you kick backs? Just for the record, while i am not pissed about legion (because i have had many months to talk to Rouge and others so I understand the reasoning that its ultimately good for the game; I am, in fact, very sad. I have already been through the first 3 stages of grief for this game as I dont have a PC to play it on. Stage 1 - Denial: When we first found out, it wasnt under.... the best way. I cant go into that due to NDA but its arguably worse how you guys found out but anyway i refused to believe it was true. Until it was confirmed to us which quickly led me on to stage 2 Stage 2 - Anger(what most people seem to be on right now): I was livid, I think we where all livid on the CPM for various reasons. Stage 3 - Bargaining: I tried very hard to see if it was possible for dual release or even, at the very least, a mac client to play with, this stage went on a while until i came to where i am now on stage 4 Stage 4 - Depression: I am very sad, like sad to the point of tears that i cant be part of what dust should have always been. My only solace is the knowing that this feeling will soon pass into the 5th and final stage. Stage 5 - Acceptance. Regardless if you believe me or not, I have put to much time, effort and money into this and its a shame i wont be able to follow into its next evolution. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Ribbons Allmark CELESTIAL BEING keepers of peace 57	Posted - 2014.05.10 17:07:00 - [46] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: I guess since the players never voted for our own CPM and the current CPM was voted on by CCP they can sound like they work for CCP. 1 in 3 dust players is pissed about project legion. However not one of the CPM is pissed about it. Just thought I would point that out. Cause just using the laws of statistics one of them would be pissed. However none of them are which is very odd which leads me to believe that they are in fact employees for CCP Quick question does CCP give you kick backs? Just for the record, while i am not pissed about legion (because i have had many months to talk to Rouge and others so I understand the reasoning that its ultimately good for the game; I am, in fact, very sad. I have already been through the first 3 stages of grief for this game as I dont have a PC to play it on. Stage 1 - Denial: When we first found out, it wasnt under.... the best way. I cant go into that due to NDA but its arguably worse how you guys found out but anyway i refused to believe it was true. Until it was confirmed to us which quickly led me on to stage 2 Stage 2 - Anger(what most people seem to be on right now): I was livid, I think we where all livid on the CPM for various reasons. Stage 3 - Bargaining: I tried very hard to see if it was possible for dual release or even, at the very least, a mac client to play with, this stage went on a while until i came to where i am now on stage 4 Stage 4 - Depression: I am very sad, like sad to the point of tears that i cant be part of what dust should have always been. My only solace is the knowing that this feeling will soon pass into the 5th and final stage. Stage 5 - Acceptance. Regardless if you believe me or not, I have put to much time, effort and money into this and its a shame i wont be able to follow into its next evolution. for the rcord you could have quietly leaked this information to IGN or any legit news organization like forbes it would've been a completely confidential and you probably could have got some money for instead you quietly watched while CCP beat us in the head I now know what Rodney King felt like
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3249	Posted - 2014.05.10 17:17:00 - [47] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: I guess since the players never voted for our own CPM and the current CPM was voted on by CCP they can sound like they work for CCP. 1 in 3 dust players is pissed about project legion. However not one of the CPM is pissed about it. Just thought I would point that out. Cause just using the laws of statistics one of them would be pissed. However none of them are which is very odd which leads me to believe that they are in fact employees for CCP Quick question does CCP give you kick backs? Just for the record, while i am not pissed about legion (because i have had many months to talk to Rouge and others so I understand the reasoning that its ultimately good for the game; I am, in fact, very sad. I have already been through the first 3 stages of grief for this game as I dont have a PC to play it on. Stage 1 - Denial: When we first found out, it wasnt under.... the best way. I cant go into that due to NDA but its arguably worse how you guys found out but anyway i refused to believe it was true. Until it was confirmed to us which quickly led me on to stage 2 Stage 2 - Anger(what most people seem to be on right now): I was livid, I think we where all livid on the CPM for various reasons. Stage 3 - Bargaining: I tried very hard to see if it was possible for dual release or even, at the very least, a mac client to play with, this stage went on a while until i came to where i am now on stage 4 Stage 4 - Depression: I am very sad, like sad to the point of tears that i cant be part of what dust should have always been. My only solace is the knowing that this feeling will soon pass into the 5th and final stage. Stage 5 - Acceptance. Regardless if you believe me or not, I have put to much time, effort and money into this and its a shame i wont be able to follow into its next evolution. for the rcord you could have quietly leaked this information to IGN or any legit news organization like forbes it would've been a completely confidential and you probably could have got some money for instead you quietly watched while CCP beat us in the head I now know what the people in LA felt like before the Rodney King tape you were the guy with the camcorder accept you didnt give the tape to the media I may not have liked it but, clearly unlike you, I take legal documents seriously. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2069	Posted - 2014.05.10 17:43:00 - [48] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: I guess since the players never voted for our own CPM and the current CPM was voted on by CCP they can sound like they work for CCP. 1 in 3 dust players is pissed about project legion. However not one of the CPM is pissed about it. Just thought I would point that out. Cause just using the laws of statistics one of them would be pissed. However none of them are which is very odd which leads me to believe that they are in fact employees for CCP Quick question does CCP give you kick backs? Since when? Since CPM0 was started, because they've done exactly zero for the community. CPM0 fits them very well. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14864	Posted - 2014.05.10 17:50:00 - [49] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: I guess since the players never voted for our own CPM and the current CPM was voted on by CCP they can sound like they work for CCP. 1 in 3 dust players is pissed about project legion. However not one of the CPM is pissed about it. Just thought I would point that out. Cause just using the laws of statistics one of them would be pissed. However none of them are which is very odd which leads me to believe that they are in fact employees for CCP Quick question does CCP give you kick backs? Just for the record, while i am not pissed about legion (because i have had many months to talk to Rouge and others so I understand the reasoning that its ultimately good for the game; I am, in fact, very sad. I have already been through the first 3 stages of grief for this game as I dont have a PC to play it on. Stage 1 - Denial: When we first found out, it wasnt under.... the best way. I cant go into that due to NDA but its arguably worse how you guys found out but anyway i refused to believe it was true. Until it was confirmed to us which quickly led me on to stage 2 Stage 2 - Anger(what most people seem to be on right now): I was livid, I think we where all livid on the CPM for various reasons. Stage 3 - Bargaining: I tried very hard to see if it was possible for dual release or even, at the very least, a mac client to play with, this stage went on a while until i came to where i am now on stage 4 Stage 4 - Depression: I am very sad, like sad to the point of tears that i cant be part of what dust should have always been. My only solace is the knowing that this feeling will soon pass into the 5th and final stage. Stage 5 - Acceptance. Regardless if you believe me or not, I have put to much time, effort and money into this and its a shame i wont be able to follow into its next evolution. for the rcord you could have quietly leaked this information to IGN or any legit news organization like forbes it would've been a completely confidential and you probably could have got some money for instead you quietly watched while CCP beat us in the head I now know what the people in LA felt like before the Rodney King tape you were the guy with the camcorder accept you didnt give the tape to the media You have no idea how scary Internal Affairs gets. Jokes about red laser dots are made in light heart of the facts. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 328	Posted - 2014.05.10 19:23:00 - [50] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: I guess since the players never voted for our own CPM and the current CPM was voted on by CCP they can sound like they work for CCP. 1 in 3 dust players is pissed about project legion. However not one of the CPM is pissed about it. Just thought I would point that out. Cause just using the laws of statistics one of them would be pissed. However none of them are which is very odd which leads me to believe that they are in fact employees for CCP Quick question does CCP give you kick backs? Since when? Since CPM0 was started, because they've done exactly zero for the community. CPM0 fits them very well. About the only time I would ever agree with this guy right here, but he is accurate. CSM0 will go down in the history books as the worst player representation that New Eden has ever seen. Figures though, why would CCP hand-pick anything but a bunch of yes-men who have no spines. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!

Ribbons Allmark CELESTIAL BEING keepers of peace 58	Posted - 2014.05.10 19:24:00 - [51] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: I guess since the players never voted for our own CPM and the current CPM was voted on by CCP they can sound like they work for CCP. 1 in 3 dust players is pissed about project legion. However not one of the CPM is pissed about it. Just thought I would point that out. Cause just using the laws of statistics one of them would be pissed. However none of them are which is very odd which leads me to believe that they are in fact employees for CCP Quick question does CCP give you kick backs? Just for the record, while i am not pissed about legion (because i have had many months to talk to Rouge and others so I understand the reasoning that its ultimately good for the game; I am, in fact, very sad. I have already been through the first 3 stages of grief for this game as I dont have a PC to play it on. Stage 1 - Denial: When we first found out, it wasnt under.... the best way. I cant go into that due to NDA but its arguably worse how you guys found out but anyway i refused to believe it was true. Until it was confirmed to us which quickly led me on to stage 2 Stage 2 - Anger(what most people seem to be on right now): I was livid, I think we where all livid on the CPM for various reasons. Stage 3 - Bargaining: I tried very hard to see if it was possible for dual release or even, at the very least, a mac client to play with, this stage went on a while until i came to where i am now on stage 4 Stage 4 - Depression: I am very sad, like sad to the point of tears that i cant be part of what dust should have always been. My only solace is the knowing that this feeling will soon pass into the 5th and final stage. Stage 5 - Acceptance. Regardless if you believe me or not, I have put to much time, effort and money into this and its a shame i wont be able to follow into its next evolution. for the rcord you could have quietly leaked this information to IGN or any legit news organization like forbes it would've been a completely confidential and you probably could have got some money for instead you quietly watched while CCP beat us in the head I now know what the people in LA felt like before the Rodney King tape you were the guy with the camcorder accept you didnt give the tape to the media I may not have liked it but, clearly unlike you, I take legal documents seriously. Therefore you have no ethics. The law is wrong at times. CCP put you in a position where they were doing something that was against most of your ethics and you chose to violate your own ethics (if you thought what they were doing was wrong) Somethings from history teaches us that ethic should be more important to people than the law. of the land The transatlantic slave trade was legal yet wrong and alot of people chose not to abide by the law that is how the underground railroad was formed.. **** Germany was killing people in concentration camps this was the law yet alot of Germans went against the law and chose to hide people. I am not comparing the unveiling of project legion to either one of these atrocities I am just letting you know ethics is way more important in the grand scheme of things than the law.
Ribbons Allmark CELESTIAL BEING keepers of peace 61	Posted - 2014.05.11 00:22:00 - [52] - Quote Notice how I explain what ethics are n now mooned responds to an intelligent point debate won by me
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4376	Posted - 2014.05.11 00:27:00 - [53] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: I guess since the players never voted for our own CPM and the current CPM was voted on by CCP they can sound like they work for CCP. 1 in 3 dust players is pissed about project legion. However not one of the CPM is pissed about it. Just thought I would point that out. Cause just using the laws of statistics one of them would be pissed. However none of them are which is very odd which leads me to believe that they are in fact employees for CCP Quick question does CCP give you kick backs? Just for the record, while i am not pissed about legion (because i have had many months to talk to Rouge and others so I understand the reasoning that its ultimately good for the game; I am, in fact, very sad. I have already been through the first 3 stages of grief for this game as I dont have a PC to play it on. Stage 1 - Denial: When we first found out, it wasnt under.... the best way. I cant go into that due to NDA but its arguably worse how you guys found out but anyway i refused to believe it was true. Until it was confirmed to us which quickly led me on to stage 2 Stage 2 - Anger(what most people seem to be on right now): I was livid, I think we where all livid on the CPM for various reasons. Stage 3 - Bargaining: I tried very hard to see if it was possible for dual release or even, at the very least, a mac client to play with, this stage went on a while until i came to where i am now on stage 4 Stage 4 - Depression: I am very sad, like sad to the point of tears that i cant be part of what dust should have always been. My only solace is the knowing that this feeling will soon pass into the 5th and final stage. Stage 5 - Acceptance. Regardless if you believe me or not, I have put to much time, effort and money into this and its a shame i wont be able to follow into its next evolution. for the rcord you could have quietly leaked this information to IGN or any legit news organization like forbes it would've been a completely confidential and you probably could have got some money for instead you quietly watched while CCP beat us in the head I now know what the people in LA felt like before the Rodney King tape you were the guy with the camcorder accept you didnt give the tape to the media I may not have liked it but, clearly unlike you, I take legal documents seriously. Therefore you have no ethics. The law is wrong at times. CCP put you in a position where they were doing something that was against most of your ethics and you chose to violate your own ethics (if you thought what they were doing was wrong) Somethings from history teaches us that ethic should be more important to people than the law. of the land The transatlantic slave trade was legal yet wrong and alot of people chose not to abide by the law that is how the underground railroad was formed.. **** Germany was killing people in concentration camps this was the law yet alot of Germans went against the law and chose to hide people. I am not comparing the unveiling of project legion to either one of these atrocities I am just letting you know ethics is way more important in the grand scheme of things than the law. LOL what does ethics has to do with breaching contract that is legal binding? You numbskull! And did you really resort to Godwin's Law? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4376	Posted - 2014.05.11 00:28:00 - [54] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: Notice how I explain what ethics are n now mooned responds to an intelligent point debate won by me No, she's just smart not to continue on with you. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2859	Posted - 2014.05.11 00:36:00 - [55] - Quote Let me spend a few words: They were/are doing something against the people you guys represent. "Acceptance" is a white flag. I understand you can't do much/can do nothing about it, but at least don't "accept" it, formally. Not because of the game, because of the players you represent. Remember, you do not represent this game or CCP, you do represent the community. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14301	Posted - 2014.05.11 00:41:00 - [56] - Quote We cooking garlic bread? You must be making an awful lot with all this tin foil in here.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4377	Posted - 2014.05.11 00:44:00 - [57] - Quote Empathy is lacking severely here. I guess you guys never been involved with contracts or security clearances to understand. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Ribbons Allmark CELESTIAL BEING keepers of peace 61	Posted - 2014.05.11 00:50:00 - [58] - Quote When someone does something wrong and you stand by and do nothing you are just as guilty as a person who is doing something wrong in the first place. And what CCP and the CPM did was wrong. Even the people who support Legion agreed what CCP did was wrong
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2860	Posted - 2014.05.11 01:06:00 - [59] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Empathy is lacking severely here. I guess you guys never been involved with contracts or security clearances to understand. "Sanctum per saecula nomen legatus". That's right, but also remember that "Pacta sunt servanda". Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4378	Posted - 2014.05.11 01:09:00 - [60] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: When someone does something wrong and you stand by and do nothing you are just as guilty as a person who is doing something wrong in the first place. And what CCP and the CPM did was wrong. Even the people who support Legion agreed what CCP did was wrong So basically its wrong because the news weren't what you wanted to hear. If it was PC 2.0 and news of Legion never surfaced, you wouldn't be accusing CPM of any wrongdoing. The point of the thread is stupid. You're trying to throw jabs and make the CPMs feel bad for being commited to their position. It's silly and ignorant of you to blame the CPMs. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?

Ribbons Allmark CELESTIAL BEING keepers of peace 62	Posted - 2014.05.11 01:18:00 - [61] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: When someone does something wrong and you stand by and do nothing you are just as guilty as a person who is doing something wrong in the first place. And what CCP and the CPM did was wrong. Even the people who support Legion agreed what CCP did was wrong So basically its wrong because the news weren't what you wanted to hear. If it was PC 2.0 and news of Legion never surfaced, you wouldn't be accusing CPM of any wrongdoing. The point of the thread is stupid. You're trying to throw jabs and make the CPMs feel bad for being commited to their position. It's silly and ignorant of you to blame the CPMs. Not actually trying to make them feel bad I am just calling it like I see it
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3281	Posted - 2014.05.11 07:21:00 - [62] - Quote Ribbons Allmark wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Ribbons Allmark wrote: When someone does something wrong and you stand by and do nothing you are just as guilty as a person who is doing something wrong in the first place. And what CCP and the CPM did was wrong. Even the people who support Legion agreed what CCP did was wrong So basically its wrong because the news weren't what you wanted to hear. If it was PC 2.0 and news of Legion never surfaced, you wouldn't be accusing CPM of any wrongdoing. The point of the thread is stupid. You're trying to throw jabs and make the CPMs feel bad for being commited to their position. It's silly and ignorant of you to blame the CPMs. Not actually trying to make them feel bad I am just calling it like I see it well you are failing and i still don't understand what you wanted us to do Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Ribbons Allmark CELESTIAL BEING keepers of peace 62	Posted - 2014.05.11 07:39:00 - [63] - Quote It doesn't matter anymore if you don't get it now you will never get it.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3282	Posted - 2014.05.11 07:46:00 - [64] - Quote <3 Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 259	Posted - 2014.05.11 07:58:00 - [65] - Quote This thread is stupid and only stupid people will blame the CPM for CCPs on choices on an executive level to move Dust to PC. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14880	Posted - 2014.05.11 14:38:00 - [66] - Quote Mojo XXXIII wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: hold that wrote: We were led on in order to spend more money. Stop with that weak ass "realization of ps3" hardware **. If we knew the project would be abandoned this quickly no one would've bought or pushed ccp's brand. The CPM also had a hand in this; remember all of iws's posts hyping up fan fest? Alluding to new content. Even though he knew otherwise. Say w/e the fun you want about it's buisness and all that other . It's slimy, greedy, shady, scetchy. You wouldn't do that kind of ** to friends and family members would you? Maybe you would. Lazor focus these nuts. Last I checked there has been no plans to shut down dust 514 anytime soon. So, you have heard plans to develop new dust content and functionality? Unfortunately, "not shutting down" and "developping new content for" are two very different things. Correct. As for new content for dust 514 I haven't hear 'what' that content may be; all I heard so far is who and when that who is going to be revealed. I have a small wish list but I need to hear from him first to see what he is capable with. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
bhold'the brngr ofLIKE Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2014.05.11 15:54:00 - [67] - Quote this is almost scary enough to wear my tinfoil hat


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