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Your Absolut End The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 501	Posted - 2014.05.09 16:18:00 - [1] - Quote Yes! Lets be honest, fcing in Dust works, but its far from perfect. With the reinvention of Dust through Legion lets work on a commander mode like BF4 has. I play PC ever since Uprising came out and jad the pleasure to fight under alot of excelllent FC's one thin EVERY FC stated in the debriefing after fight was that he wished he wished there was a better way to fulfill the task of a FC. FC Mode The FC mode is quiet simple: 1. You sit on the map of the current battle with all objectives, and all squadmembers listed on the side of your screen, you can also see info like we currently have when you respawn on your squadmate, so basically if a merc is dead, or in a vehicle for example. 2.As a Commander you have the ability to see all scans of every squad while you keeping an overview on enemy and friendly troup and vehicle movement. 3.The ability to highlight objects for a squad like you can in BF4 is just plain awesome for a much more tactical game like Dust is. 4.I'd also say give the Commander (FC) the ability to call in gained orbitals, most of the times in an exhausting fight its not possible to hide in a corner to call in a strike, so make it dual usable (but only once for sure) that either the fc, or the squad leader can call it in. 5.We saw the ability to call in structures like commando notes,turrets, crus and supply depots in earlier dust montages. Lets make this real and which person is better for this job than the fc/commander? 6.It should be optional to open the comms between Eve pilots and Mercs so you can switch that only the FC or the whole team can talk to the pilot. 7.Comm structure in Dust is horrible, to have all sit in one room just sucks, make it so that the FC can talk to every merc while mercs in squads just can talk to each other, the fc will be still be able to hear each squad leader.This will make fights more intresting and much better coordinated, especially for newcomer teams with horrible comms. 8. As FC you should get double of the aproximate payout of the whole team, why double? because he carries the team on his shoulders, even tho he is not in danger of loosing suits or vehicles. Dust/Legion was always thought as a strategic shooter, having a main commander, especially in PC is a major factor on giving the strategic feel, and to feel like a soldier. It will also help new guys trying out this position because fighting, and still having the eyes all over the map can be quiet frustrating and to much for young mercs. Feel free to say your opinion or improvement ideas on this topic.
137H4RGIC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 207	Posted - 2014.05.09 16:36:00 - [2] - Quote I support this one hundred and ten percent. EVE players? Good at Dust?! Let the indiscriminate slaughter of PC huggers begin >:)
Haerr Legio DXIV 607	Posted - 2014.05.09 16:39:00 - [3] - Quote +1
Driftward Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 952	Posted - 2014.05.09 16:45:00 - [4] - Quote If we start seeing larger battle sizes (ie 24 v 24 up to 100 v 100 or whatever) a FC type role will truly be necessary. I agree with most all your points except for perhaps #8. When a FC mode would be initialized (what contexts/what types of battles) is also an issue that would need to be addressed. Is it automatic when you start a single squad, does one FC slot get generated when you form larger battle groups (2+ squads). Does more than one FC slot become available depending on the size of group? Should this be set or could it be defined by the players? Do you have FCs for the looting grounds (PvE/PvP areas) or just for the contracts (PvP only) or the other way around? Just questions that occur to me off the top of my head.
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC 674	Posted - 2014.05.09 16:54:00 - [5] - Quote I've wanted commander mode since day one Dropping in orbees Passing on orders to squads and individual squad members Dropping in stationary firepower and support '#PCMasterRace
Leeroy Gannarsein Shining Flame Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:24:00 - [6] - Quote I don't agree that the FC should get a larger payout (that's implied by his not risking ISK directly like everyone else) but aside from that, good stuff! MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... JAMAL SARUM IS MY EMPRESS
Your Absolut End The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 507	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:37:00 - [7] - Quote Driftward wrote: If we start seeing larger battle sizes (ie 24 v 24 up to 100 v 100 or whatever) a FC type role will truly be necessary. I agree with most all your points except for perhaps #8. When a FC mode would be initialized (what contexts/what types of battles) is also an issue that would need to be addressed. Is it automatic when you start a single squad, does one FC slot get generated when you form larger battle groups (2+ squads). Does more than one FC slot become available depending on the size of group? Should this be set or could it be defined by the players? Do you have FCs for the looting grounds (PvE/PvP areas) or just for the contracts (PvP only) or the other way around? Just questions that occur to me off the top of my head. Personally I'd say the commandar slot gets available only in pc with more than 2 squads, I'm not to sure about public contracts but definately for fw and pc. To the pve part: It depends on how its going to turn out, if its mostly the mining, and exploration ccp rouge talked about, than i don't think its necessary, but if pve is about invading deone festations or defending points from drones I think the commander spot could still be quiet useful.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1396	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:13:00 - [8] - Quote Driftward wrote: If we start seeing larger battle sizes (ie 24 v 24 up to 100 v 100 or whatever) a FC type role will truly be necessary. I agree with most all your points except for perhaps #8. Its not just for larger battle sizes, its also if they start linking battles together (like I hope they will). RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Your Absolut End The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 508	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:22:00 - [9] - Quote Thanks everybody for the replys so far, please dom't let this topic die so we might can attract the interest of devs and hopefully see this feature one day in game :)
Forlorn Destrier 2478	Posted - 2014.05.09 21:43:00 - [10] - Quote If they get double the team reward, then the Commander should get no ISK/SP for a loss. High risk, high reward, that's how I see. Win or die. Otherwise he/she should be paid in scale with a standard member of the team.

Your Absolut End The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 508	Posted - 2014.05.09 23:52:00 - [11] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: If they get double the team reward, then the Commander should get no ISK/SP for a loss. High risk, high reward, that's how I see. Win or die. Otherwise he/she should be paid in scale with a standard member of the team. Sorry my bad, dient meant the fc should get doubled of the TOTAL team income but double of the AVERAGE merc income per battle, gonna change it in the main post
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2028	Posted - 2014.05.10 00:14:00 - [12] - Quote The Commander should be the one who commands the orbitals from EVE characters (If Warbarge strikes still exist, the Squad lead will call them in.) Because you wanted to be something you're not.
Grimmiers 530	Posted - 2014.05.10 01:06:00 - [13] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: The Commander should be the one who commands the orbitals from EVE characters (If Warbarge strikes still exist, the Squad lead will call them in.) It would be cool if the squad leader orbitals simply appeared on the map and the commander had to choose between them, or back stab his team by choosing his own location. I would also like it to move away from being completely based off warpoints. Maybe the commander could set the amount of warpoints a squad would have to accrue to weed out players who aren't contributing and possible spies squads. The warbarge could link to the satellite, or maybe something on the ground the troops have to defend.
Hawk-eye Occultus ARKOMBlNE 189	Posted - 2014.05.10 01:14:00 - [14] - Quote YES! YES! +1 (^ v ^)7 . .
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2839	Posted - 2014.05.10 01:35:00 - [15] - Quote I'd like to see a whole leadership tree like eve for the FC as well.
Hawk-eye Occultus ARKOMBlNE 189	Posted - 2014.05.10 02:26:00 - [16] - Quote Theoretical Summery of Command Mode: * Top-down view of battlefield. * Commander is isolated from the battle (MCC? Warbarge?). [??? * May have the ability to control MCC (RTS style).] * Can place waypoints visible to either X number of squads, or everyone on team (with colour differences depending on importance) * Has control of Orbital Strikes from EVE players. * Must take into account the locations of his team, as OB's (s)he sends can kill them too. * Can participate in multiple chat channels at once. * In addition to being able to communicate with all squad leaders (while they can still communicate with their squad members); is able to use "voice announcements", that EVERYONE on the commander's team can hear (can be muted). * Can see all scan data collected by team members at once. [??? * Able to see 1st person squad cam?] [??? * Able to call down instillations if requested by team members?] * In normal matches (pub matches), replaced by AI There may or may not be a skillbook for being a commander (with all the benefits it brings) . .
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2177	Posted - 2014.05.10 02:30:00 - [17] - Quote Commander might not know exactly where to put OB's all the time. I think it should stay in squad leaders hands. However, the FC could have the ability to lock squad leaders from using OB's........ click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 100	Posted - 2014.05.10 02:36:00 - [18] - Quote this is the capsuleer's job. NOT OURS!!! we fight, they observe let us transfer our BPOs,stats,gear,ISK and SP to legion pl0x! Try and steal my BPOs. I dare ya. AMARRIAN4LYFE
Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1950	Posted - 2014.05.10 02:57:00 - [19] - Quote I think it would be cool to see 1st person cams of the team, and even deployable cameras and drones. This could be disabled by the enemy with Ewar. Best PvE idea ever!
Your Absolut End The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 511	Posted - 2014.05.10 07:44:00 - [20] - Quote Hell yeah! Thats an awesome idea! I will add that to the list



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