DUST Search - Current CPMs: Helped or Hurt DUST?

Moorian Flav wrote:

Rather than give my own opinion, I will merely provide facts and stats so you can draw your own conclusion:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83435&find=unread
ALL current CPMs were admittedly EVE players prior to DUST.

http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Heinrich_Jagerblitzen
All Time Kills: 9,572
All Time WP: 842k

http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Iron_Wolf_Saber - He's only member in current corp (member since 5/8/13)
All Time Kills: 6,374
All Time WP: 636k

http://dustboard.com/global/merc/jenza_aranda - In BetaMax. since 1/12/13 which is long known as a dead corp (although not officially dead).
All Time Kills: 16,072
All Time WP: 1.4M

http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Kain_Spero_ - Heavily involved in PC although it is debated whether he helped or harmed PC as a whole.
All Time Kills: 25,448
All Time WP: 2.9M

http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Laurent_Cazaderon
All Time Kills: 0
All Time WP: 0

http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Nova_Knife - Still in and never left original NPC.
All Time Kills: 3,755
All Time WP: 339k

The above stats were obtained 5/9/14.

If you compare your main character's stats to the CPMs' stats above, you can easily make an educated guess on how much they actually played the game.

Now after reviewing all of the data above, what do you think of the current CPMs?

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Moorian Flav 263	Posted - 2014.05.09 16:03:00 - [1] - Quote Rather than give my own opinion, I will merely provide facts and stats so you can draw your own conclusion: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83435&find=unread ALL current CPMs were admittedly EVE players prior to DUST. http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Heinrich_Jagerblitzen All Time Kills: 9,572 All Time WP: 842k http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Iron_Wolf_Saber - He's only member in current corp (member since 5/8/13) All Time Kills: 6,374 All Time WP: 636k http://dustboard.com/global/merc/jenza_aranda - In BetaMax. since 1/12/13 which is long known as a dead corp (although not officially dead). All Time Kills: 16,072 All Time WP: 1.4M http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Kain_Spero_ - Heavily involved in PC although it is debated whether he helped or harmed PC as a whole. All Time Kills: 25,448 All Time WP: 2.9M http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Laurent_Cazaderon All Time Kills: 0 All Time WP: 0 http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Nova_Knife - Still in and never left original NPC. All Time Kills: 3,755 All Time WP: 339k The above stats were obtained 5/9/14. If you compare your main character's stats to the CPMs' stats above, you can easily make an educated guess on how much they actually played the game. Now after reviewing all of the data above, what do you think of the current CPMs? I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14811	Posted - 2014.05.09 16:09:00 - [2] - Quote My computer and PS3 are opposite ends of the house.... :( CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2014.05.09 16:10:00 - [3] - Quote II am trying to figure out how a game that mostly plays itself playtime effects how much you play Dust. Because the guy who spent the most time on EvE - according to your list here, who would be kain, is also the one who plays Dust the most. Daily, in fact, and PC's too. So, this thread is incredibly pointless.
Syeven Reed G0DS AM0NG MEN 606	Posted - 2014.05.09 16:12:00 - [4] - Quote Well Laurent Cazaderon looks involved.. MajLagSpike CPM Application
Hecarim Van Hohen 1420	Posted - 2014.05.09 16:12:00 - [5] - Quote With the info you have posted (All time WP, all time kills and the fact they played EVE) I can say absolutely nothing about the effectivines of the CPM as we don't know what happened behind the scenes when they were discussing with CCP. They influenced the cloak before it was implemented that much I can say for sure They warned CCP to not announce Legion during FanFest, a warning CCP ignored I'm sure they have done much more and influenced many facets of Dust and talked to CCP but nobody besides them and CCP know what and how thanks to the NDA. More information is required for me to provide a opinion whether CPM has done more good or bad for the community State your stance on EVE:Legion t¢«_t¢«
Moorian Flav 264	Posted - 2014.05.09 16:19:00 - [6] - Quote All I've done above is posted available facts and stats that can be corroborated by everyone. Not sure if it is just me but PoP SoTa seems irritated by this thread even though only facts and stats were given. I will say I am of the opinion that if someone has the ear of the devs to submit feedback and changes for a game, they should at least spend a decent amount of time in that game which is why I supplied All Time Kills and WP. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 299	Posted - 2014.05.09 16:22:00 - [7] - Quote I said from day one in a free to play game the CPM is not nedded. The only power we have over CCP is not spending money on Aurum. They never used that power over CCP. In Eve Online CSM have a lot of power because the can rally the Community to unsub if CCP make changes they don't like. Also CPM was hand picked by CCP so right there is a conflict of intrest. They never had the Dust community intrest at heart NEVER.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2845	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:12:00 - [8] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Well Laurent Cazaderon looks involved.. Actually, I think this is the right character Caz used: http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Cazaderon Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
Rudio Resonance Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:18:00 - [9] - Quote Everyone keeps talking about NDA's the easiest way around an NDA is to give anonymous information to someone cough cough a reporter and allow them to expose the truth we still do not know exactly who deep throat was and he exposed a sitting President of the U.S. and I know damn well CCP is not more powerful than a president
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14819	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:19:00 - [10] - Quote Rudio Resonance wrote: Everyone keeps talking about NDA's the easiest way around an NDA is to give anonymous information to someone cough cough a reporter and allow them to expose the truth we still do not know exactly who deep throat was and he exposed a sitting President of the U.S. and I know damn well CCP is not more powerful than a president Doesnt work, CPM knows how well Internal Affairs manages and manhandles NDA holders and Press even. Also game media are not standard press nor are they held to similar standards most would sell out if it meant keeping their job. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked

Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2187	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:25:00 - [11] - Quote "All I've done above is posted available facts and stats" Doesn't mean the facts you gave us relate to anything, like the performance of the CPM. Here's another fact for you. One quarter of the people who post on the Dust forums eat paste.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2271	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:29:00 - [12] - Quote IMHO, neither. They've really just been a distraction.
The Noob Destroyer 846	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:35:00 - [13] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: Rather than give my own opinion, I will merely provide facts and stats so you can draw your own conclusion: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83435&find=unread ALL current CPMs were admittedly EVE players prior to DUST. http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Heinrich_Jagerblitzen All Time Kills: 9,572 All Time WP: 842k http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Iron_Wolf_Saber - He's only member in current corp (member since 5/8/13) All Time Kills: 6,374 All Time WP: 636k http://dustboard.com/global/merc/jenza_aranda - In BetaMax. since 1/12/13 which is long known as a dead corp (although not officially dead). All Time Kills: 16,072 All Time WP: 1.4M http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Kain_Spero_ - Heavily involved in PC although it is debated whether he helped or harmed PC as a whole. All Time Kills: 25,448 All Time WP: 2.9M http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Laurent_Cazaderon All Time Kills: 0 All Time WP: 0 http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Nova_Knife - Still in and never left original NPC. All Time Kills: 3,755 All Time WP: 339k The above stats were obtained 5/9/14. If you compare your main character's stats to the CPMs' stats above, you can easily make an educated guess on how much they actually played the game. Now after reviewing all of the data above, what do you think of the current CPMs? My main GJR beat all of them.... several times over. As well as most of my friends who have been here as long as I have. Kane and Jenza seems to be the only ones to actually play... however I never seen jenza in game... Who am I? I am just a nobody.
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1004	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:36:00 - [14] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Well Laurent Cazaderon looks involved.. Cazaderon stats are not correct. Skillwise he was without discussion the best player of the CPM-0, and also the most active. Either he biomassed his character or the one you found is not his main. The rest of the CPM-0 is obvious that with the exception of Spero, the rest of them almost didn't play the game at all. Remember, they are all close beta players, those stats should be much higher.
The Noob Destroyer 846	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:39:00 - [15] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Well Laurent Cazaderon looks involved.. Cazaderon stats are not correct. Skillwise he was without discussion the best player of the CPM-0, and also the most active. Either he biomassed his character or the one you found is not his main. About the rest of the stats, it is obvious that with the exception of Spero, the rest of them almost didn't play the game at all. Remember, they are all close beta players, those stats should be much higher. Impact of the CPM on Dust? I hope that CCP never listened to them, so they can say 0. Otherwise, very negative. Just look at the game. Thats true.... I take back what I say... kane's score should be double.... I started a year late after open beta. also I guess that means jenza has a horrible low kill count too. Who am I? I am just a nobody.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14821	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:49:00 - [16] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Well Laurent Cazaderon looks involved.. Cazaderon stats are not correct. Skillwise he was without discussion the best player of the CPM-0, and also the most active. Either he biomassed his character or the one you found is not his main. About the rest of their stats, it is obvious that with the exception of Spero, the rest of them almost didn't play the game at all. Remember, they are all close beta players, those stats should be much higher. Impact of the CPM on Dust? I hope that CCP never listened to them, so they can say 0. If CCP actually listened to them, very negative. Just look at the game. So... using the same tools employed by most of my critics. You wanted CCP to introduce Cloaks that allowed players to fire without breaking cloak entirely (that in theory they can kill someone and remained cloak afterwards without having to re cloak. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 8219	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:43:00 - [17] - Quote Not really sure how this determines whether or not the CPM helped or hurt DUST. CCP Rouge (Crowd Control Productions - 'Neo' EVE: Legion) DUST 514 -HAND
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14826	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:50:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: Not really sure how this determines whether or not the CPM helped or hurt DUST. Jenza I know has an alt she uses to avoid getting harassed. I don't so my record I have is shameful but I have to balance between research, college, life, and the fact that tv is not mine to control the content on. But I know we all play enough we can play out dozens scenarios when we get asked to give feedback on an subject in a vacuum. I mean what if.. Iron Wolf Saber Total posts 14065 Ranked #1 Total Likes 14823 679 Active Days 679 Days since first post 20.7 Average Posts a Day 587.5 Characters a Post 8,262,776 Typed Characters 297 Threads Started 72 Posts in one day Record. Meant Something... CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Eko Sol Strange Playings 259	Posted - 2014.05.09 19:40:00 - [19] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: Rather than give my own opinion, I will merely provide facts and stats so you can draw your own conclusion: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83435&find=unread ALL current CPMs were admittedly EVE players prior to DUST. http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Heinrich_Jagerblitzen All Time Kills: 9,572 All Time WP: 842k http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Iron_Wolf_Saber - He's only member in current corp (member since 5/8/13) All Time Kills: 6,374 All Time WP: 636k http://dustboard.com/global/merc/jenza_aranda - In BetaMax. since 1/12/13 which is long known as a dead corp (although not officially dead). All Time Kills: 16,072 All Time WP: 1.4M http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Kain_Spero_ - Heavily involved in PC although it is debated whether he helped or harmed PC as a whole. All Time Kills: 25,448 All Time WP: 2.9M http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Laurent_Cazaderon All Time Kills: 0 All Time WP: 0 http://dustboard.com/global/merc/Nova_Knife - Still in and never left original NPC. All Time Kills: 3,755 All Time WP: 339k The above stats were obtained 5/9/14. If you compare your main character's stats to the CPMs' stats above, you can easily make an educated guess on how much they actually played the game. Now after reviewing all of the data above, what do you think of the current CPMs? You can make the point that some CPM members didn't play enough to justify their role in speaking on behalf of "us". On the same note I submit to you that there is a reality where NOTHING mattered and CCP leadership was going to "mess up" dust so to speak. We can't say "oh well CPM was responsible for all of the stupid balance issues and content submissions to CCP". The reason is because we have zero hard facts. At no point did a CCP members state something along the lines of "Well CPM such and such and CPM so and so said Swarms were too OP". I submit that CPM may have had more say than justifiable or a better connection to CCP then they should have but it doesn't change what problems would plague dust and the discontinuing of dust as a whole. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1770	Posted - 2014.05.09 19:44:00 - [20] - Quote They're like politicians. Some people will like em. Others will hate them. But they're primarily scapegoats. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." http://royventus.tumblr.com

PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 98	Posted - 2014.05.09 19:47:00 - [21] - Quote We're the patsies, they're complicate, and CCP used your money and time like fools. Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1868	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:28:00 - [22] - Quote i think they're a bunch of useless twats. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1868	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:29:00 - [23] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: II am trying to figure out how a game that mostly plays itself playtime effects how much you play Dust. Because the guy who spent the most time on EvE - according to your list here, who would be kain, is also the one who plays Dust the most. Daily, in fact, and PC's too. So, this thread is incredibly pointless. kane was certainly not in space in molden heath. maybe he was on the ground. i lived in molden heath since the day pc started. i've seen him there 3 times. i've never seen another cpm in molden heath that i'm aware of. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1868	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:33:00 - [24] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Well Laurent Cazaderon looks involved.. Cazaderon stats are not correct. Skillwise he was without discussion the best player of the CPM-0, and also the most active. Either he biomassed his character or the one you found is not his main. About the rest of their stats, it is obvious that with the exception of Spero, the rest of them almost didn't play the game at all. Remember, they are all close beta players, those stats should be much higher. Impact of the CPM on Dust? I hope that CCP never listened to them, so they can say 0. If CCP actually listened to them, very negative. Just look at the game. i think he biomassed after fanfest, but that's only a rumor. i don't know him personally. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1868	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:34:00 - [25] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Atiim wrote: Not really sure how this determines whether or not the CPM helped or hurt DUST. Jenza I know has an alt she uses to avoid getting harassed. I don't so my record I have is shameful but I have to balance between research, college, life, and the fact that tv is not mine to control the content on. But I know we all play enough we can play out dozens scenarios when we get asked to give feedback on an subject in a vacuum. I mean what if.. Iron Wolf Saber Total posts 14065 Ranked #1 Total Likes 14823 679 Active Days 679 Days since first post 20.7 Average Posts a Day 587.5 Characters a Post 8,262,776 Typed Characters 297 Threads Started 72 Posts in one day Record. Meant Something... so, he's got plenty of time to play the forums... eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
The Noob Destroyer 849	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:38:00 - [26] - Quote low genius wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Atiim wrote: Not really sure how this determines whether or not the CPM helped or hurt DUST. Jenza I know has an alt she uses to avoid getting harassed. I don't so my record I have is shameful but I have to balance between research, college, life, and the fact that tv is not mine to control the content on. But I know we all play enough we can play out dozens scenarios when we get asked to give feedback on an subject in a vacuum. I mean what if.. Iron Wolf Saber Total posts 14065 Ranked #1 Total Likes 14823 679 Active Days 679 Days since first post 20.7 Average Posts a Day 587.5 Characters a Post 8,262,776 Typed Characters 297 Threads Started 72 Posts in one day Record. Meant Something... so, he's got plenty of time to play the forums... rofl no it does not mean something. Just because you read about QQ does not mean you understand where it is coming from. You actually have to play the game and be active to actually know what you are talking about. Who am I? I am just a nobody.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 650	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:39:00 - [27] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: II am trying to figure out how a game that mostly plays itself playtime effects how much you play Dust. Because the guy who spent the most time on EvE - according to your list here, who would be kain, is also the one who plays Dust the most. Daily, in fact, and PC's too. So, this thread is incredibly pointless. How is it pointless that the ones supposed to represent the player community didn't play the game? I also don't think it is pointless that many of the things that occur in PC are heavily influenced by information a CPM has access to and that a CPM is in charge of the faction controlling PC. How can you not suspect a conflict of interest. I certainly don't feel Kane ever represented the playerbase, only his friends controlling PC. Because, that's why.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13107	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:39:00 - [28] - Quote Isn't it blatantly obvious that they play on alts? I have fought 'Cazaderon' several times. Same person, not same character. I know the key to Logibro's heart Devposting in legion discussion is 10/10
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 650	Posted - 2014.05.09 20:41:00 - [29] - Quote low genius wrote: Flyingconejo wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Well Laurent Cazaderon looks involved.. Cazaderon stats are not correct. Skillwise he was without discussion the best player of the CPM-0, and also the most active. Either he biomassed his character or the one you found is not his main. About the rest of their stats, it is obvious that with the exception of Spero, the rest of them almost didn't play the game at all. Remember, they are all close beta players, those stats should be much higher. Impact of the CPM on Dust? I hope that CCP never listened to them, so they can say 0. If CCP actually listened to them, very negative. Just look at the game. i think he biomassed after fanfest, but that's only a rumor. i don't know him personally. I know he resigned, so thumbs up for showing some integrity. Because, that's why.


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