DUST Search - Why not the unreal4 engine?

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We are running on a heavily modified UE3 engine. Heavily modified means that we have taken almost all parts of it and extended or changed them. Take our lighting for example, we have completely moved to fully dynamic lighting that supports bounce lighting. Take a look at a presentation one of our programmers did a few years ago on our lighting. The presentation is a little old, but the key concepts are still the same.

http://advances.realtimerendering.com/s2012/CCP/Malan-Dust_514_GI_reflections(Siggraph2012).pptx

This technology has been in active development since then and is getting very advanced (IGÇÖll see if I can get CCP Photon to do a devblog on the current state of it and where we intend to take since it)

We are also using a few very impressive middleware technologies. That means that we get code from companies that are experts in a certain technology and integrate it into our game. The NVIDIA PhysX middleware is a good example. It contains things like advanced particles, advanced physics and GÇª yes destruction. So the reason we are not doing destruction right now is not that our engine does not support it, but rather its not our focus right now.

What engine is chosen at the beginning of development should be thought of more as a starting point for a game rather than a box that the game is developed in.

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Warbot Titan X Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 60	Posted - 2014.05.09 00:09:00 - [1] - Quote I understand that you guys have done extra work to the unreal 3 engine. Why not use the unreal 4 and add more to it? Why use an engine that is out dated? I understand where you guys are coming from in order for dust to prevail. And I am sure you guys have thought about it. Can you (CCP) enlighten us? I just want the best for legion now that it's out there. Edit: I did read that the Unreal 4 engine makes it easier to port on a console rather than the unreal 3. Something to think about CCP. My scout trousers commands me!
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 928	Posted - 2014.05.09 00:18:00 - [2] - Quote Because they've basically completely rebuilt the engine from scratch - completely new lighting system, Nvidia PhysX built in etc. Source: CCP Android wrote: We are running on a heavily modified UE3 engine. Heavily modified means that we have taken almost all parts of it and extended or changed them. Take our lighting for example, we have completely moved to fully dynamic lighting that supports bounce lighting. Take a look at a presentation one of our programmers did a few years ago on our lighting. The presentation is a little old, but the key concepts are still the same. http://advances.realtimerendering.com/s2012/CCP/Malan-Dust_514_GI_reflections(Siggraph2012).pptx This technology has been in active development since then and is getting very advanced (IGÇÖll see if I can get CCP Photon to do a devblog on the current state of it and where we intend to take since it) We are also using a few very impressive middleware technologies. That means that we get code from companies that are experts in a certain technology and integrate it into our game. The NVIDIA PhysX middleware is a good example. It contains things like advanced particles, advanced physics and GÇª yes destruction. So the reason we are not doing destruction right now is not that our engine does not support it, but rather its not our focus right now. What engine is chosen at the beginning of development should be thought of more as a starting point for a game rather than a box that the game is developed in.
Phoenix 85 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 62	Posted - 2014.05.09 00:32:00 - [3] - Quote Warbot Titan X wrote: I understand that you guys have done extra work to the unreal 3 engine. Why not use the unreal 4 and add more to it? Why use an engine that is out dated? I understand where you guys are coming from in order for dust to prevail. And I am sure you guys have thought about it. Can you (CCP) enlighten us? I just want the best for legion now that it's out there. Edit: I did read that the Unreal 4 engine makes it easier to port on a console rather than the unreal 3. Something to think about CCP. My guess it is what they are already familiar with. Lets not forget, an engine can become heavily modified. Halflife's engine is built off of the original Quake engine. Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14791	Posted - 2014.05.09 03:46:00 - [4] - Quote Work on the UE3 engine cannot be directly ported over, all of the modifications would have to be redone again. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Mark Crusader Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 22	Posted - 2014.05.09 03:59:00 - [5] - Quote CCP said Legion will use UE4 at fanfest.. has something changed? Or are you talking about Dust on the PS3? That would be because UE4 doesn't have a PS3 port. I was thinking of the Valkyrie keynote.
Ayures II Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 633	Posted - 2014.05.09 04:00:00 - [6] - Quote Mark Crusader wrote: CCP said Legion will use UE4 at fanfest.. has something changed? You're thinking of Valkyrie. PCMasterRace
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2022	Posted - 2014.05.09 04:03:00 - [7] - Quote They already have a ton of work on UE3, so throwing that away seems beyond stupid. What's so amazeballs about UE4 anyway? (Well-made) Games look just as good on UE3 as they honestly need to. It works well enough (provided CCP has some competent individuals now that can optimize a game), so they could, in theory keep a majority of the core gameplay of DUST and do a major fix and bughunt on it and smash out a alpha rather quick I could imagine. (Don't hurt me, I'm a consumer) Because you wanted to be something you're not.
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC 666	Posted - 2014.05.09 05:09:00 - [8] - Quote Why UE4? '#PCMasterRace
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8448	Posted - 2014.05.09 05:25:00 - [9] - Quote Have you ever looked at one of your skill books and realized that the difference you gain training up from level 4 to level 5 is just not worth the time and effort? Yeah, that's why. Especially after CCP already said that they heavily modified UE3 to the point that it's probably not gonna be that different from the UE4. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Hawk-eye Occultus ARKOMBlNE 178	Posted - 2014.05.09 09:53:00 - [10] - Quote Ever play Killing Floor (By Tripwire Interactive)? It uses the Unreal 2 engine! Still works a charm, looks damn fine too! . .

Syeven Reed G0DS AM0NG MEN 605	Posted - 2014.05.09 10:09:00 - [11] - Quote Because, DID YOU SEE THAT ORBITAL!!?? MajLagSpike CPM Application
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 189	Posted - 2014.05.09 11:04:00 - [12] - Quote The original Witcher was made using Biowares Aurora Engine, which was originally built for Neverwinter Nights. http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Aurora_Engine Engines can be heavily modified beyond recognition. My only worry is that they have to spend resources making what they might have gotten for free with UE4. But of what I have seen (in replies), I think they know what they are doing.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 623	Posted - 2014.05.09 11:27:00 - [13] - Quote John Psi wrote: Content and decorations do not matter. Stable network protocol and balanced gameplay - primary target. ...sorry for bad English =)
Hynox Xitio 0uter.Heaven 954	Posted - 2014.05.09 11:33:00 - [14] - Quote Warbot Titan X wrote: Why not use the unreal 4? Theres no time, gotta go fast. Unleash the Fogwoggler. ( -íº -£-û -íº) /)
Cymek Omnius Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2014.05.09 15:40:00 - [15] - Quote Warbot Titan X wrote: I understand that you guys have done extra work to the unreal 3 engine. Why not use the unreal 4 and add more to it? Why use an engine that is out dated? I understand where you guys are coming from in order for dust to prevail. And I am sure you guys have thought about it. Can you (CCP) enlighten us? I just want the best for legion now that it's out there. Edit: I did read that the Unreal 4 engine makes it easier to port on a console rather than the unreal 3. Something to think about CCP. My guess is money.
Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 47	Posted - 2014.05.09 16:40:00 - [16] - Quote Unreal 3 is heavily modded, but Unreal 4 is standard. Unreal 4 already has good cross-platform support. Using something that is widely used reduces development effort in the long run. In the short term the modded Unreal 3 may have features that Unreal 4 doesn't. I personally favor the Source engine over Unreal though.


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