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Nyctohylophobia
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Posted - 2014.05.08 12:02:00 -
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With this post, I want to dispel the myth that you need a boatload of cash to build a proper gaming PC. These will run anything you throw at them in 1080p and you can hook them up to your TV over HDMI if that is what you would prefer. Now, I didn't throw a OS or a monitor into these packages and nor did I include a mouse or a keyboard because the latter range from the price of peanuts to the range of pricy champagne.
The idea behind this post is simply to provide you with the knowledge that you don't need the bleeding edge to get into PC gaming, even building a PC from used parts from a reputable seller on Ebay would go far.
Anyway, here are the builds:
Build one: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3FUaR
Build two: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3FU1H
Build one is more expensive but then again, it also delivers a lot more and is more to show you that by going with some cheaper like a R9 270, you can wait until the 770 drops in price or something else is out.
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Posted - 2014.05.08 12:09:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:You've left off the towers. While not expensive (depending on what you get), it does add up. And if you don't have an OS, then that adds significantly to the price as well (but at least you mentioned you didn't include this in the price). I think it best you include these things in your pricing models, or the point you are making that gaming PC's can be cheap is missed as it looks like you are hiding things.
While I should have, I let them out because cases are really down to personal taste. |
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Posted - 2014.05.08 12:31:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:You've left off the towers. While not expensive (depending on what you get), it does add up. And if you don't have an OS, then that adds significantly to the price as well (but at least you mentioned you didn't include this in the price). I think it best you include these things in your pricing models, or the point you are making that gaming PC's can be cheap is missed as it looks like you are hiding things.
While I should have, I let them out because cases are really down to personal taste. Perhaps, but your goal is to show how cheap they are - they should be included with the low end, and with notes saying that they can be upgraded. That gives people a comparative price point in total. Same for the KB/M. Leaving them out entirely skews the post, and makes it seem less authentic.
Fair point. For a case I would go with the Fractal Design Core 1000 and for a KBM combo, I would go with Cooler Master Storm Devastator Keyboard & Mouse (Sorry EU, only in the US :().
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Posted - 2014.05.08 12:32:00 -
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martinofski wrote:Where did you get 99$ for the i5-4430 from? I get 179$ the lowest.
http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/23wk9j/staples_still_price_matching_the_99_i54430_frys/ |
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Posted - 2014.05.08 12:41:00 -
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Build three: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ARNO
Credit goes to Austin Evans. |
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:53:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Oh and I have a question.
I'm a bit old school, wtf does each core at 2.50ghz mmean?.
It means that each core runs at 2.5GHz. |
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Posted - 2014.05.08 17:13:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Oh and I have a question.
I'm a bit old school, wtf does each core at 2.50ghz mmean?. It means that each core runs at 2.5GHz. I said old school, not lobotomised., So basically there's nothing special about it then?, it just costs more?.
No, more cores mean that more workload (threads) can be divided. It is not all roses though, as it requires the developer to optimize the software for multicore processors to see the benefits of it. |
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Posted - 2014.05.08 17:17:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:I would just like to add here as well, we have not released any technical specifications and we're not close to doing so either. Keep in mind Legion is also still a prototype, and hasn't been green lit yet. If you're planning to buy a computer anyway and want to make it a little better, that's fine, but if you weren't planning to other wise, it might be wise to hold off a bit longer so we know if it gets green lit, and what type of minimum and recommended specifications we'll have.
But as someone else mentioned, you will need DirectX 11.
Considering DX11 was released 2009, I don't think anyone need to freak out that a computer that they build today should worry about not being able to run it. |
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Posted - 2014.05.08 17:31:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I would just like to add here as well, we have not released any technical specifications and we're not close to doing so either. Keep in mind Legion is also still a prototype, and hasn't been green lit yet. If you're planning to buy a computer anyway and want to make it a little better, that's fine, but if you weren't planning to other wise, it might be wise to hold off a bit longer so we know if it gets green lit, and what type of minimum and recommended specifications we'll have.
But as someone else mentioned, you will need DirectX 11. Considering DX11 was released 2009, I don't think anyone need to freak out that a computer that they build today should worry about not being able to run it. I know that I am able to play ps2 with decent settings although I'm waiting for that on ps4 (majorly regret buying). It seems ps2 (being a mindless cluster of ****) should have been made on console and dust (striving to be more than a generic run and gun special case fps) should have gone PC, both made by companies involved with each other. Its like they are swapping to go home.
More so that the Forgelight Engine that SOE uses for Planetside 2 is an incredibly unoptimized mess. Planetside 2 has the scale and scope of what Dust\Legion should be like, but it has its own share of issues like three factions that has different approach to weapons and vehicles that causes a disparity.
I have had fun in Planetside 2 but having a faction that aren't affected by bullet drop and recoil and that everyone plays because it is "easy mode" turns some battles into colossal zerg fests so I doubt that PS2 will find a audience on PS4, if I am brutally honest. |
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Posted - 2014.05.08 17:38:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I would just like to add here as well, we have not released any technical specifications and we're not close to doing so either. Keep in mind Legion is also still a prototype, and hasn't been green lit yet. If you're planning to buy a computer anyway and want to make it a little better, that's fine, but if you weren't planning to other wise, it might be wise to hold off a bit longer so we know if it gets green lit, and what type of minimum and recommended specifications we'll have.
But as someone else mentioned, you will need DirectX 11. Considering DX11 was released 2009, I don't think anyone need to freak out that a computer that they build today should worry about not being able to run it. I know that I am able to play ps2 with decent settings although I'm waiting for that on ps4 (majorly regret buying). It seems ps2 (being a mindless cluster of ****) should have been made on console and dust (striving to be more than a generic run and gun special case fps) should have gone PC, both made by companies involved with each other. Its like they are swapping to go home. More so that the Forgelight Engine that SOE uses for Planetside 2 is an incredibly unoptimized mess. Planetside 2 has the scale and scope of what Dust\Legion should be like, but it has its own share of issues like three factions that has different approach to weapons and vehicles that causes a disparity. I have had fun in Planetside 2 but having a faction that aren't affected by bullet drop and recoil and that everyone plays because it is "easy mode" turns some battles into colossal zerg fests so I doubt that PS2 will find a audience on PS4, if I am brutally honest. Yeah, that's all I'm expecting out of ps2, a couple of months fun if that.
One game I can actually see work well on PS4 would be Hawken.
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:41:00 -
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Absolon Gainne wrote:Also, OP you better include an OS and a KB/M setup in your prices. It looks rather dishonest when you are trying to claim that PCs aren't that expensive.
If you had read my other posts on the first page, you'd have found that I added keyboard and mouse. The reason I didn't include a OS was to point out that building a gaming PC is not about the bleeding edge which seems to be the most common misconception amongst console gamers. |
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Posted - 2014.05.10 08:01:00 -
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Grimmiers wrote:I just saw the graphics presentation and noticed the nvidia guy there showing off particle physics and I was wondering if we would need an nvidia card for it to look it's best.
Only if you want the PhysX effects. |
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Posted - 2014.05.10 10:06:00 -
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Samael Artico wrote:Tips For Building A Gaming PC:
#1. Get a decent full-tower case. It will make your life easier going forward, I assure you.
#2. Get Windows 8. Windows 7 might be appealing, but it will also obsolete sooner as it is less recent.
#3. Don't skimp on the power supply and motherboard. Buying a new part only to discover your power supply don't have the juice to run it is not fun, and an outdated motherboard will make upgrading... challenging, to the say the least.
#4. Don't worry too much about the RAM. Adding more RAM is probably the easiest method of upgrading your computer, and as long as your motherboard has the room to add more RAM you waste nothing by upgrading.
You should take these hints with a grain of salt, though. I'm by no means an expert, and I'm drawing these conclusions through past experience and common sense alone, not empirical data. Also, if you don't plan on upgrading your PC after you build it most of these tips are irrelevant.
#1. Not necessarily, unless you plan for a SLi or a Crossfire configuration, you will be fine with anything that can house a ATX board like the Fractal Design R4.
#2. I disagree because by the same logic you are applying, Windows 8 will be obsolete by the time Windows 9 sees a release (which might happen next year). I intend to stick with Windows 7 until I see a less bloated Windows and more of a Windows desktop experience and less of Xbox live, and I don't think Microsoft will pull support any time soon.
And remember to go with 64 bit.
#3. It is more important to find a efficient PSU than it is to find one that delivers a big number of wattage. The only time you should look at something that delivers more than 700W is when you are going into configurations with multiple graphic cards otherwise you will be fine with 400-600W depending on your configuration. As for motherboards, look up reviews and remember a motherboard doesn't need to cost an arm and a leg to be a good motherboard with plenty of features.
#4. RAM is relatively cheap today so while 4GB is pretty much a must, 8GB is nice to have. |
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Posted - 2014.05.10 12:35:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Hah, you guys got it easy. PC's here cost a buttload, a GTX 770 system with some cheapo motherboard would cost me 1100$ at the minimum, 1200$ is most likely.
A PS4 costs around 600$ here.
Australia? |
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:04:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Hah, you guys got it easy. PC's here cost a buttload, a GTX 770 system with some cheapo motherboard would cost me 1100$ at the minimum, 1200$ is most likely.
A PS4 costs around 600$ here. Australia? Israel.
Ah, what would you play on the system? Just Legion? |
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Posted - 2014.05.10 16:02:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Hah, you guys got it easy. PC's here cost a buttload, a GTX 770 system with some cheapo motherboard would cost me 1100$ at the minimum, 1200$ is most likely.
A PS4 costs around 600$ here. Australia? Israel. Ah, what would you play on the system? Just Legion? I have a LOT of games on steam, from the time when my computer wasn't an overheating piece of junk hehe I have far too many games that I would play to list.
What do you have now? If you gave me an average budget, I could put something together for you. |
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Posted - 2014.05.10 16:47:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote: What do you have now? If you gave me an average budget, I could put something together for you.
No need, I can build my own PC's. The only reason I didn't get a replacement for the current one was money, but that should change soon enough. Also, the computer parts available here are fewer than what you will find in the US or UK, I have a much more limited selection. So if you build me a computer most likely I won't have the parts necessary. http://www.tms.co.il/preview/spec/wdmfec4s - Ignore the hebrew parts That's the computer I'm planning to buy SoonTM. It's around 1158$.
What I meant is that we can puzzle something together and then see what we can salvage from your current PC. :) |
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Posted - 2014.05.10 17:54:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote: What do you have now? If you gave me an average budget, I could put something together for you.
No need, I can build my own PC's. The only reason I didn't get a replacement for the current one was money, but that should change soon enough. Also, the computer parts available here are fewer than what you will find in the US or UK, I have a much more limited selection. So if you build me a computer most likely I won't have the parts necessary. http://www.tms.co.il/preview/spec/wdmfec4s - Ignore the hebrew parts That's the computer I'm planning to buy SoonTM. It's around 1158$. What I meant is that we can puzzle something together and then see what we can salvage from your current PC. :) Ah, it's a laptop, and there's nothing really to salvage other than the hard drive :)
Ah. :)
I made a link to Austin Evans build earlier. How about that one? Easy for you to add a graphics card down the road. |
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Posted - 2014.05.10 20:35:00 -
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Medical Crash wrote:Any PC guys out there want to review my hardware? How long will my setup last?
CPU-AMD athlon II X4 650 Processor
GPU-AMD Ultra OC Radeon 7850
Another two-three years. How much RAM you got? |
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Posted - 2014.05.10 23:22:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:
Eh, trust me, I did my research. I can't get anything better for my budget :)
Hmm.. how about buying parts over time? I am working on a new build and I started with a 780 Ti. Waiting for June until Intel rolls out their 'Devil's Canyon' line and by that time, I hope the motherboard I am interested in is out as well along with the case. |
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:55:00 -
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Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:http://pcpartpicker.com/user/ArtlessMammet/saved/4GeC how does this look? Two things to keep in mind: first, the price is fine, it's the parts I'm looking at (I've been adding to my PC fund for a little while now :P Using this thread because it seemed legit) and second, that I'm Australian. Here is the link to the Australian site. The important thing to note in that particular page is the price difference; a raw difference of juuuust under $400, even though we're trading at 0.94USD to the dollar. Basically what I'm asking is this: is there anything preventing me from buying every part (except my power supply, say) and importing them from overseas? Will the different mains electricity be an issue for the individual parts? Or even the supply? (I betray my very-little knowledge about the intricacies of PC building, I'm afraid )
I think the biggest hurdle you might face if you import parts are warranties, even if most companies offer now a global warranty program, it might be something for you to consider if you import stuff. I am actually a little unsure on the power supply, but I believe most of them automatically adjust the voltage from your wall socket regardless if you are in Australia, Denmark or Canada.
It is a nice build, though I would hold until June when the new Intel 'Devil's Canyon' launches if you are into overclocking but if you are not into overclocking, there is no point in paying extra for the unlocked K-models. |
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