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Gemini Cuspid wrote:

Ulysses Knapse wrote:

PC is better for development.

As much as the console gamers don't want to hear that, it's the truth.

The only argument I need: shiny, high-end performance doesn't equate to game success. For those who wish to make Legion something that no one knows anything about it's simple: you can make it visually, graphically and even technically superior to Dust. HOWEVER, game dynamics, bugs, glitches, balancing, and overall game mechanics and operation as intended are not based on whether something was made for the PS3, PS4, PC, Xbox or whatever. Something as finding a way to avoid how protostomping really kills the ability for any player in general to participate and grow a game doesn't take into account if its a PC or console player.

It's these dynamics and arguments that PC fanboys who want to white-knight legion are somehow ignoring and not understanding. And guess what I'm pretty damn sure my i7-3770 with 2 x Asus GTX 660's probably destroy alot of the pc gamers desktop builds [and yea I still prefer my Gigabyte mobos even if half of you prefer Asus]. So I know fully well how good maxing out stuff on SLI looks.

Call me simple minded but I've learned to appreciate games that "work" versus "looking good". It's like being married, if you're going to commit looks don't last but sound fundamentals do. Like I said call me old fashioned but it's not like I don't have a valid point making that argument either. And all that we have to reference and judge Legion thus far is Dust and a fuzzy alpha youtube.

Long story short = development should be judged on actual gameplay fundamentals because anyone can make anything look good, but a solid game with sound foundations is a tougher act to follow. Ever heard of Final Fantasy 14. That's what made me value a "functional game" over "it looks good" game.

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DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 282	Posted - 2014.05.06 06:23:00 - [1] - Quote it is really simple we ask that you squash project legion and bring every file in Project legion into Dust 514. if you agree give me a hell yeah. if you disagree i got 3 words for you stop sucking it. PS: Do not alienate what is left of your fan base. If you want to upgrade dust514 do it on ps4. ^for the devs^ cause I know the fan boys will disagree
Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 431	Posted - 2014.05.06 06:23:00 - [2] - Quote No. Chillin, waitin on Legion. Ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1334	Posted - 2014.05.06 06:25:00 - [3] - Quote PC is better for development. As much as the console gamers don't want to hear that, it's the truth.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER R 0 N 1 N 1452	Posted - 2014.05.06 06:26:00 - [4] - Quote I don't HAVE to read anything. Who need reading in the Dust Apocalypse? But I will read it and edit my comment based on what I HAVE CHOSEN to read. I agree. BUT, just make it for both PS4 and PC. Now everyones happy. Scout Forever, GJR approved, CATLOSS' LogiBro, PSN; SIL4NTCHAOZZ GLU-TAC user Efficiency LvL ll */Z ) /V / /V*
THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK Intrepidus XI EoN. 93	Posted - 2014.05.06 06:29:00 - [5] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: PC is better for development. As much as the console gamers don't want to hear that, it's the truth. The man is right, if you need to cry bottle your tears. I want a tear collection of this dust style apocalypse.
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 163	Posted - 2014.05.06 06:29:00 - [6] - Quote Im with OP. They scammed community for easy way. Take your ba.l.l.s CCP and made reall what you promised to community. You took community money and ideas for dust 514 pc port. Now its time to repay their zeal for dust 514 back. Markdown
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4323	Posted - 2014.05.06 06:34:00 - [7] - Quote The life of PS3 is ending. It's gotta move somewhere. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK Intrepidus XI EoN. 95	Posted - 2014.05.06 06:39:00 - [8] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: The life of PS3 is ending. It's gotta move somewhere. I've seen people say it would be far easier to move it to the PS4, yet they rather start the entire project on PC. Is this to feed the EVE players or what? Feel free to enlighten me cause I have no clue.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Final Resolution. 1642	Posted - 2014.05.06 06:47:00 - [9] - Quote Stopping Legion now, which is a "probably good" idea with the worst announcement possible, doesn't change anything for DUST. CCP announced they can't do what they wanted on the PS3. That bell has been rung, that shot has been fired, the cow hath been milked; CCP's announcement is the official death of DUST 514. Because of how terribly botched the announcement was, stopping Legion is just killed two games instead of one. I ******* HATE the announcement method and am really disappointed for the console only guys or those that bought a PS3 to play DUST (my dad would have if, by pure luck, he had not won a PS3 from work a month before open beta), but the sad, disgusting fact is if we want DUST 514 as it was promised we need Legion. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2749	Posted - 2014.05.06 06:47:00 - [10] - Quote I don't care where it goes as long as it's off the PS3. If the PC ends up giving us the higher quality product, then so be it. Don't like it? Buy a PC Don't wanna buy a PC? Well tough ****, have fun playing Destiny or whatever other console exclusive is FOTM.

McFurious TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 745	Posted - 2014.05.06 06:48:00 - [11] - Quote THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote: Michael Arck wrote: The life of PS3 is ending. It's gotta move somewhere. I've seen people say it would be far easier to move it to the PS4, yet they rather start the entire project on PC. Is this to feed the EVE players or what? Feel free to enlighten me cause I have no clue. Because Sony has a lot of red tape to get passed before you can release a build on thier system. For example, CCP can't run a test server on PS3 because Sony doesn't want faulty software screwing up their consoles. On PC they can do as they wish. It's going to be much more hassle free to first finish the game on PC before porting to PS4. Half Irish. Often angry. Closed Beta Masshole
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 164	Posted - 2014.05.06 06:57:00 - [12] - Quote After this and this I will gladly drive the "HELL NO" Train with all that vagons by myself. From myself ..ehmm.. HELL NO I WILL NEVER RECOMMEND/INSTAL/USE CCP GAME/PROGRAMS WITH MYSELF OR FRIEND OR FAMILY!! I WILL NEVER LET THEM SCAM ANOTHER OF MY COMRADES AROUND!! Markdown
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire RUST415 912	Posted - 2014.05.06 07:09:00 - [13] - Quote I tend to keep free games free but I liked this one so much that I actually spend some money on it....just to find out it's going to die! I never thought I would say this, EVER! ccp... GO **** YOURSELF. Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
Raven sword x Maphia Clan Corporation 119	Posted - 2014.05.06 07:10:00 - [14] - Quote http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E11YwzpmLfU
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4396	Posted - 2014.05.06 07:20:00 - [15] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: I don't care where it goes as long as it's off the PS3. If the PC ends up giving us the higher quality product, then so be it. Don't like it? Buy a PC Don't wanna buy a PC? Well tough ****, have fun playing Destiny or whatever other console exclusive is FOTM. Destiny has a 10 year roadmap too. Guess who I'm putting my trust in? Bungie or CCP? RIP Stinky Sleeve. RIP Dust514. See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 3025	Posted - 2014.05.06 07:21:00 - [16] - Quote DoomLead wrote: it is really simple we ask that you squash project legion and bring every file in Project legion into Dust 514. if you agree give me a hell yeah. if you disagree i got 3 words for you stop sucking it. PS: Do not alienate what is left of your fan base. If you want to upgrade dust514 do it on ps4. ^for the devs^ cause I know the fan boys will disagree How about no. How about screw you. Sorry you can afford a pc bro. But i want legion on the pc iv always wanted dust on the PC face u legion hates are the minorty here you just been louad and squeely which is starting to get old fast LONG LIVE LEGION "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8359	Posted - 2014.05.06 07:21:00 - [17] - Quote I see no point in this. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 154	Posted - 2014.05.06 07:29:00 - [18] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: I don't care where it goes as long as it's off the PS3. If the PC ends up giving us the higher quality product, then so be it. Don't like it? Buy a PC Don't wanna buy a PC? Well tough ****, have fun playing Destiny or whatever other console exclusive is FOTM. Destiny has a 10 year roadmap too. Guess who I'm putting my trust in? Bungie or CCP? The company that has actually produced a game with a 10 year lifespan versus the one which hasn't? Yeah, I'm going to go with CCP on this one. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 549	Posted - 2014.05.06 07:47:00 - [19] - Quote PC wins hands down. The ps3 is too restraining for development. Give me a better game any way you can CCP. Character transfer! Well that changes a few things......
V1RONXSS AL0NE Inc. 10	Posted - 2014.05.06 08:02:00 - [20] - Quote Shhh i was buying and keeping ps3 only for Dust in hope its will be migrated to ps4 and now this... What can i say to you CCP, not nice.. So deal with Sony its basicaly to sell outdated ps3's befor ps4 release.

Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2014.05.06 08:22:00 - [21] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: PC is better for development. As much as the console gamers don't want to hear that, it's the truth. The only argument I need: shiny, high-end performance doesn't equate to game success. For those who wish to make Legion something that no one knows anything about it's simple: you can make it visually, graphically and even technically superior to Dust. HOWEVER, game dynamics, bugs, glitches, balancing, and overall game mechanics and operation as intended are not based on whether something was made for the PS3, PS4, PC, Xbox or whatever. Something as finding a way to avoid how protostomping really kills the ability for any player in general to participate and grow a game doesn't take into account if its a PC or console player. It's these dynamics and arguments that PC fanboys who want to white-knight legion are somehow ignoring and not understanding. And guess what I'm pretty damn sure my i7-3770 with 2 x Asus GTX 660's probably destroy alot of the pc gamers desktop builds [and yea I still prefer my Gigabyte mobos even if half of you prefer Asus]. So I know fully well how good maxing out stuff on SLI looks. Call me simple minded but I've learned to appreciate games that "work" versus "looking good". It's like being married, if you're going to commit looks don't last but sound fundamentals do. Like I said call me old fashioned but it's not like I don't have a valid point making that argument either. And all that we have to reference and judge Legion thus far is Dust and a fuzzy alpha youtube. Long story short = development should be judged on actual gameplay fundamentals because anyone can make anything look good, but a solid game with sound foundations is a tougher act to follow. Ever heard of Final Fantasy 14. That's what made me value a "functional game" over "it looks good" game.
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 496	Posted - 2014.05.06 08:41:00 - [22] - Quote McFurious wrote: Because Sony has a lot of red tape to get passed before you can release a build on thier system. For example, CCP can't run a test server on PS3 because Sony doesn't want faulty software screwing up their consoles. On PC they can do as they wish. It's going to be much more hassle free to first finish the game on PC before porting to PS4. Hearing the stories of melted consoles I am not sure I want to trust CCP with installing something from them on a $1500 PC
Trenix Keltron Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 194	Posted - 2014.05.06 09:03:00 - [23] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: McFurious wrote: Because Sony has a lot of red tape to get passed before you can release a build on thier system. For example, CCP can't run a test server on PS3 because Sony doesn't want faulty software screwing up their consoles. On PC they can do as they wish. It's going to be much more hassle free to first finish the game on PC before porting to PS4. Hearing the stories of melted consoles I am not sure I want to trust CCP with installing something from them on a $1500 PC I guess you haven't heard the stories OUKH corporation recruitment active. Initiate enlistment protocols. The future is now
Kelestia Colvolian DUST'S Rouge Wedding 110	Posted - 2014.05.06 09:09:00 - [24] - Quote Gemini Cuspid wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: PC is better for development. As much as the console gamers don't want to hear that, it's the truth. The only argument I need: shiny, high-end performance doesn't equate to game success. For those who wish to make Legion something that no one knows anything about it's simple: you can make it visually, graphically and even technically superior to Dust. HOWEVER, game dynamics, bugs, glitches, balancing, and overall game mechanics and operation as intended are not based on whether something was made for the PS3, PS4, PC, Xbox or whatever. Something as finding a way to avoid how protostomping really kills the ability for any player in general to participate and grow a game doesn't take into account if its a PC or console player. It's these dynamics and arguments that PC fanboys who want to white-knight legion are somehow ignoring and not understanding. And guess what I'm pretty damn sure my i7-3770 with 2 x Asus GTX 660's probably destroy alot of the pc gamers desktop builds [and yea I still prefer my Gigabyte mobos even if half of you prefer Asus]. So I know fully well how good maxing out stuff on SLI looks. Call me simple minded but I've learned to appreciate games that "work" versus "looking good". It's like being married, if you're going to commit looks don't last but sound fundamentals do. Like I said call me old fashioned but it's not like I don't have a valid point making that argument either. And all that we have to reference and judge Legion thus far is Dust and a fuzzy alpha youtube. Long story short = development should be judged on actual gameplay fundamentals because anyone can make anything look good, but a solid game with sound foundations is a tougher act to follow. Ever heard of Final Fantasy 14. That's what made me value a "functional game" over "it looks good" game. All good points. Most serious Legion players will almost certainly play on low graphical settings to maximise performance. Hell, that's what happens in EVE. God knows how much development time and resources over the years the Devs have spent on fancy graphics and sound effects, but many EVE players spend their whole time on minimal settings and a lot of them turn the sound off. (Indeed, it's one of the oldest EVE jokes: "What? EVE has sound?!?!?"). Great graphics are nice but CCP have to absolutely get the gameplay and mechanics near perfect from the first beta onwards. There will be no second chances this time.
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 3026	Posted - 2014.05.06 09:25:00 - [25] - Quote Also its massively clear CCP devs are PC based which was clearly highlighted when rouge cleanded house. I see a lot of people blaming ccp for there own silly choises, its not ccp fault you bought a consol for an untested and unproven game. The other upside is CCP know have it in their corprate culture that they can FAIL. So going forword they be a lot less reckless "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Kelestia Colvolian DUST'S Rouge Wedding 111	Posted - 2014.05.06 09:40:00 - [26] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Also its massively clear CCP devs are PC based which was clearly highlighted when rouge cleanded house. I see a lot of people blaming ccp for there own silly choises, its not ccp fault you bought a consol for an untested and unproven game. The other upside is CCP know have it in their corprate culture that they can FAIL. So going forword they be a lot less reckless Hmm, quite droll. I have no problems with corporations making mistakes. But they should always be new mistakes. The problem with CCP is that they have a tendency to make the same mistakes over and over and over again.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2750	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:11:00 - [27] - Quote Gemini Cuspid wrote: Long story short = development should be judged on actual gameplay fundamentals because anyone can make anything look good, but a solid game with sound foundations is a tougher act to follow. Ever heard of Final Fantasy 14. That's what made me value a "functional game" over "it looks good" game. I would say FFXIV:ARR is also a game that looks good but is not functional... It was really pretty but the gameplay had zero depth to it. (Not arguing with you, just saying...)
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 285	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:15:00 - [28] - Quote good luck ccp competeing with the 1000 other free to play fps games on the pc market. From a business perspective you have more competetion on the pc so legion won't generate alot of money. however on a platform like ps4 you only have to compete with blacklight retribution, warframe, and the upcoming SOE games H1Z1 & Planetside 2
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 941	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:36:00 - [29] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: I don't care where it goes as long as it's off the PS3. If the PC ends up giving us the higher quality product, then so be it. Don't like it? Buy a PC Don't wanna buy a PC? Well tough ****, have fun playing Destiny or whatever other console exclusive is FOTM. QFT especially FOTM part..
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14102	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:46:00 - [30] - Quote Because porting from a high spec system to an obsolete system is how you ensure longevity #wut?



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