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Canis Ferox
Ultramarine Corp
24
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Posted - 2014.05.06 10:49:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:This part of the forums is for 'General discussion of Dust 514'. If you wish to discuss other games please post in the Locker Room.
Errr...shut up. Considering The CCP Keynote on 'Dust 514' WAS the announcement of Legion and it's effectively the same game remade, that's a really idiotic and malicious thing to say. We are talking about Dust and it's future, CCP renamed it, not us: And I don't see a Project Legion forum wall to be posting on, do you?
****!
Peace and Love, C.F. x
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George Moros
Balkan Express Squad
343
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Posted - 2014.05.06 11:04:00 -
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@CCP Saberwing:
I have several question(s) concerning the Legion's skill / progression system:
1. Will it still be similar to EVE's skill system, at least in the extent Dust's is? In short, will skills still be ranging from 1-5, with approximately exponential increase in skill point requirement while skilling up?
2. Will skills merely unlock higer tier equipment, or will they give inherent bonuses like most of them do now? I'm asking this since CCP Rouge mentioned that Legion will be more equipment oriented, rather than skill oriented.
3. From the initial information regarding Legion's skill system, it seems that it will lose even more similarity to EVE's skill system than Dust did. Is this departure from "New Eden character self-consistence" really a necessary move? I mean, although I perfectly understand that EVE and DUST (Legion) are completely different game genres, the idea of all characters sharing the same character development core principles is not only "cool", but also intuitive and even immersion-building.
Pulvereus ergo queritor.
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1455
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Posted - 2014.05.06 11:24:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Good, that's all I really wanted, I understand that PC is the best platform to develop on, I look forward to seeing it's progress and even being in the beta. But it doesn't help the feeling of abandonment that was conveyed at a FF.
Paired with the fact that CCP hasn't even apologised yet, not even a sorry.
I personally will apologize for the way a lot of this information was conveyed during the keynote. The intention was for the follow-up roundtables to also be aired out live, but apparently that did not happen. I will also say that I am incredibly excited for this game and it's vision. I've seen huge strides in how things have been coming along over the last few months and I cannot wait to share more. What was shown on stage is an actual running build of the game. That prototype really exists, and really runs. It's not vapour or word of mouth, and I've playtested it myself in Shanghai. :) Mmmmmmm.... that feels good.... It may be because I've had 2 shots of bourbon and a Guinness extra stout, but that apology feels soooooo good.... Thank you on behalf of the people yet to see it. o7
We are the 514, and we will not forget
RIP Dust
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Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
397
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Posted - 2014.05.06 11:42:00 -
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DAMIOS82 wrote:Well i have a few questions; That suit in the eve legion trailer, you know the half face, half helmet, is that the new pilot suit?
That's the Valkyrie suit.
Quote: With the looting in legion, will other modes/missions be created aswell? like assault a compound to retrieve BPO's, or assault compound and retreive the mining resources that are stationed there or assault the drone invested excavation sites for the rare relics, possibly including some actuall hacking, like in EVE. You know actuall complexes, where it's not 16 vs 16, but more like 16 vs a horde of drones or even less like 2-4 vs a horde.
"Assault the drone-infested excavation site" is already confirmed via sandbox mode. In the sandbox, you go into a territory and search for loot. That's how items are spawned for the market. The sandbox territories have other players (Friendly fire is on, but Highsec territories cause Concorde to murder you if you attack someone) as well as drone infestations. It also sounded like they wanted to avoid artificial limitations on when and in how high numbers players can go into the sandbox, in contrast to contracts.
If you are a contract-only player (Basically like Dust currently is, except with matchmaking), all your gear will only exist because someone found it in sandbox mode and you bought it from them or a middleman.
Quote: What about the ammo styles, will those be more complex like in EVE, where it actually matters what your using or is it going to continue on the path it is now? Where it is dependant on the weapon, not ammo.
I personally hope that they remove damage profiles. They add nothing to the game. If there's special ammo, it should have other effects, like damage over time or tracer rounds, instead of ******** percentage changes to shield/armor damage that are completely pointless in a game where an engagement lasts for five seconds. Shield and armor should be functionally different and not because some weapons do more damage against them.
Quote: And in Legion, will we finally be able to go thrue vast buildings and city's, like in the very early days of dust or atleast is that one of it's goals?
Ow and one more, now that dust 514 will slowly die out over the next year or 2, can we finally know what it means?
Have you seen the presentation? I would be surprised if we didn't get larger maps.
Also, Dust was killed on the fifth month of the 14th year of this millenium.
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George Moros wrote:1. Will it still be similar to EVE's skill system, at least in the extent Dust's is? In short, will skills still be ranging from 1-5, with approximately exponential increase in skill point requirement while skilling up?
The presentation clearly stated that they wanted to remove the 1-5 system.
I really like the idea of the new system, but I would prefer it to keep some of the old stuff. Role progression is good, but I want auxilliary weapon skills (basically, 1 point unlocks that do stuff like add ammo) and the 1-5 system should at least exist for the main branch of the tree, with indirect bonuses that are tied to the BPO suit, like better weapon handling.
I'm starting to feel weird for answering those questions, considering that all my knowledge comes from the stuff that they officially released. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1456
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Posted - 2014.05.06 11:43:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:What I STILL want to know is how anyone thought this announcement was a good idea, why you didn't listen to CPM telling you to announce it beforehand, and why everyone STILL decided to NOT leak the news when there were sales which were actively playing on promises you no longer intended to keep?
I think THAT is the most important question right now. I believe the answer that has been given is that they do intend to to keep the promises of the sales by allowing your progression to continue from DUST to Legion, they are just unable to answer the specifics of "how" at this time. And while that's tangentially RELATED, it doesn't ACTUALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION I'M ASKING. So thanks, but an answer to MY QUESTION would be much appreciated. Garret... buddy... I've been a fan and supporter of your ideas here in the forums for almost 2 years now bud, and don't think I've ever seen you this close to "rage mode" before man. No joke, no trolls, you need a hug bro?
*totally non-gay bro-hugz*
We are the 514, and we will not forget
RIP Dust
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
5390
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:09:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:What I STILL want to know is how anyone thought this announcement was a good idea, why you didn't listen to CPM telling you to announce it beforehand, and why everyone STILL decided to NOT leak the news when there were sales which were actively playing on promises you no longer intended to keep?
I think THAT is the most important question right now. I believe the answer that has been given is that they do intend to to keep the promises of the sales by allowing your progression to continue from DUST to Legion, they are just unable to answer the specifics of "how" at this time. And while that's tangentially RELATED, it doesn't ACTUALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION I'M ASKING. So thanks, but an answer to MY QUESTION would be much appreciated. Garret... buddy... I've been a fan and supporter of your ideas here in the forums for almost 2 years now bud, and don't think I've ever seen you this close to "rage mode" before man. No joke, no trolls, you need a hug bro? *totally non-gay bro-hugz* Don't panic.
It's not rage, it's emphasis.
I've been spending a lot of time lately on some pretty low-tech forums, and there's no way to bold things like we get on here. I've gotten used to using all-caps again, so I'm just sticking to it because it's easier to hold shift for a few seconds than it is to find the bold button.
Deal w/ it.
EDIT: Also, you spelt my name wrong. Double "t", remember? |
Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad.
1104
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:22:00 -
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Canis Ferox wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:This part of the forums is for 'General discussion of Dust 514'. If you wish to discuss other games please post in the Locker Room. Errr...shut up. Considering The CCP Keynote on 'Dust 514' WAS the announcement of Legion and it's effectively the same game remade, that's a really idiotic and malicious thing to say. We are talking about Dust and it's future, CCP renamed it, not us: And I don't see a Project Legion forum wall to be posting on, do you? ****! Peace and Love, C.F. x It is a different game. The clue is in the name. You are not discussing the future of dust 514, you are moronically spamming GD about some other game. Youre as bad as the ps2 bomber. |
Bat Cow
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:44:00 -
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Legion question for Any Dev- Can you address progression in Legion? Will it be more skill based like Dust (kills, healing, etc. rack up SP)? Please let it _NOT_ be like EVE, where I can attain the highest level at gunnery, just by making sure I remember to log in every day.
Moo.
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1465
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:07:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:What I STILL want to know is how anyone thought this announcement was a good idea, why you didn't listen to CPM telling you to announce it beforehand, and why everyone STILL decided to NOT leak the news when there were sales which were actively playing on promises you no longer intended to keep?
I think THAT is the most important question right now. I believe the answer that has been given is that they do intend to to keep the promises of the sales by allowing your progression to continue from DUST to Legion, they are just unable to answer the specifics of "how" at this time. And while that's tangentially RELATED, it doesn't ACTUALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION I'M ASKING. So thanks, but an answer to MY QUESTION would be much appreciated. Garret... buddy... I've been a fan and supporter of your ideas here in the forums for almost 2 years now bud, and don't think I've ever seen you this close to "rage mode" before man. No joke, no trolls, you need a hug bro? *totally non-gay bro-hugz* Don't panic. It's not rage, it's emphasis. I've been spending a lot of time lately on some pretty low-tech forums, and there's no way to bold things like we get on here. I've gotten used to using all-caps again, so I'm just sticking to it because it's easier to hold shift for a few seconds than it is to find the bold button. Deal w/ it. EDIT: Also, you spelt my name wrong. Double "t", remember? Sorry bud, been drinking heavly. Major irl issues right now. I'll get it right next time I'm sobre. =)
PSN ID: AlbelNox2569
MAG Vet ~ Raven
R.I.P.~ Dust, R.I.P.~ MAG
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1465
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:14:00 -
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And if it helps you remember at all (cause I cant rember the name I had), I think my first post on a topic with you was on orbital deployment. I think...
PSN ID: AlbelNox2569
MAG Vet ~ Raven
R.I.P.~ Dust, R.I.P.~ MAG
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Carter Moribus
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
1
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:23:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Good, that's all I really wanted, I understand that PC is the best platform to develop on, I look forward to seeing it's progress and even being in the beta. But it doesn't help the feeling of abandonment that was conveyed at a FF.
Paired with the fact that CCP hasn't even apologised yet, not even a sorry.
I personally will apologize for the way a lot of this information was conveyed during the keynote. The intention was for the follow-up roundtables to also be aired out live, but apparently that did not happen. I will also say that I am incredibly excited for this game and it's vision. I've seen huge strides in how things have been coming along over the last few months and I cannot wait to share more. What was shown on stage is an actual running build of the game. That prototype really exists, and really runs. It's not vapour or word of mouth, and I've playtested it myself in Shanghai. :)
That actually made up for a lot, in my opinion, it's so nice to hear someone say "sorry", even if it's unofficial.
Thanks for posting and giving us more info, keep it up! I'm really starting to feel more positive towards Legion now. |
LUNATIC Pandora x
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:27:00 -
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See you on PC! |
DAMIOS82
WarRavens Final Resolution.
93
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Posted - 2014.05.06 17:37:00 -
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to bad about those suits, would have been nice if you could change your helmet to half open or fully closed.
What i meant with the complexes Sole Fenychs, I know they spoke about the sandbox mode, but to me it just sound like what we have now. A open map and you run around looking for something and that's it. What i mean is a very long long time ago, (don't know if it's still there), i was doing an archeology site/complex in EVE. And after scanning it, you started your hacking game and then when succesfull a small sound file played of troopers entering the complex, saying stuff like 'where opening the door', 'where under attack', 'taking out the sentries', etc and i always wondered what it would be like to be in a complex like that seeing alien or old architectural constructions around you, opening doors, fighting the sleeper drones, entering some sort of control room, retrieving the relic and then trying to make it to the dropship alive for retrieval.
Now that is what i'm looking for in my pve experience. I mean if they are going to do it, atleast do it right. The pve in legion is i suppose a start, but it could do with some improvement if that is all it is, running around like chickens looking for some loot.
And yes i have seen some of the presentations on youtube, so yes i've seen there making bigger maps. But lets face it, if it's going to pc, then i simply expect more, not less complexity in graphics. That's also meaning a more complex map build, like in actuall breakable/hackable doors and windows in buildings, houses, offices, with stuff in them. Not just an arena where nothing is there to make it easier for running. But i suppose where just going to have to wait and see. |
Dunce Masterson
Savage Bullet
97
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Posted - 2014.05.06 17:39:00 -
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Dust 514 is the test server this game should get every thing first
I don't even know why I bother.
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