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Ric Barlom
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:24:00 -
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I'm gonna go ahead and do something that's gonna irk a lot of people off in these forums. I'm doing it for the love of the game we call Dust514. I'm doing it because I want to see Legion become a success. I'm doing it because it's the right thing to do. And I'm doing it because nobody from CCP has the coconuts to come out here and break it to you guys. It's time for a little come to Jesus meeting, my friends, and I'm gonna let the cat out of the bag right now. That's right, I've had enough of beating around the bush!
Legion will not happen on PS4. Yeah, you heard me right and I'm gonna explain exactly why it's not gonna happen on PS4. First of all there has never been a successful shooter that's cross platform between PC and a console, and don't you dare bringing up Shadowrun here. There are a couple of reasons for that but first of all we've got the keyboard/mouse vs a controller issue and anyone who understands FPS knows, for a fact, that a keyboard/mouse is the superior controlling schema and nothing's gonna change that. It's not gonna be fair for the PS4 trying to fiddle around with that shiny plastic joystick, man, while guys like me are raining death upon their sorry asses with precision sniper shots.
Now before all you White Knight Sony fans decide to charge out of the woodworks on your high horses, accusing yours truly of advocating the "PC Master Race" movement, let me assure you that I like all platforms. Heck, I even play mobile games. Yeah, that's right, I said it and I'm not gonna take it back. Moreover, back in the day when keyboard/mouse debate for Dust514 was raging, I was against bringing that support into our game for the exact same reason. It will never be balanced, it won't be fun and it won't work. You gotta choose and it's either gonna be a controller or it's gonna be the mouse/kayboard combo and CCP has made their decision clear. I want CCP to be "laser focused" on delivering the best game possible and by porting it to multiple platforms it's only lead to watering down the product.
Now there are many other issues here like keeping the game in sync in terms of updates, generational console leaps and dealing with a large corporation like Sony will always be sketchy to say the least. On top of that, when you start piling on the technological constraints, both hardware and software, licensing problems, server issues and database systems, everyone in their right mind should start to get the clue why it's a bad idea. And that's just scratching the surface my friends. And CCP, if anyone in your company, and I mean anyone be it a lead designer or a caretaker, harbours any dreams of PS4 port I suggest you fire their asses before June. Yeah I'm being tough here but that's what it takes at this point to make this game a reality. Tough love. Go and do likewise gents. |
Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:34:00 -
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I stopped after "there has been no successful shooter that's cross platform".
You are the only one I know of that is assuming the game WOULD be cross platform between PC and PS4.
Hint : it wouldn't be. |
Maximus Stryker
Who Are Those Guys
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:38:00 -
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I tend to agree, PS4 is very unlikely and at best a year behind PC launch which lends me to believe at earliest, PS4 would be in the year 2017.
PS. I loved Shadowrun, that was a great game!
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Ric Barlom
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:38:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:I stopped after "there has been no successful shooter that's cross platform".
You are the only one I know of that is assuming the game WOULD be cross platform between PC and PS4.
Hint : it wouldn't be. Well even worse, bro. The biggest competitive advantage the EVE Universe has is the fact that everyone is playing in the same "shard" and that everyone can interact with everyone, and I'm not only talking about a chat room here. Oh no, my friend, I'm talking about a full blown sandbox that directly ties into the EVE economy. Creating separate instances and alternative realities and separated player experiences will only water down the experience further. |
Ric Barlom
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:41:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:I tend to agree, PS4 is very unlikely and at best a year behind PC launch which lends me to believe at earliest, PS4 would be in the year 2017.
PS. I loved Shadowrun, that was a great game! And considering the fact that the consensus is that this generation cycle will be shorter than the last one, that's gonna be dangerously close to the next wave. I really don't think a long term game that's supposed to stay alive for years and years really fits into the way big console manufacturers do business these days. |
Maximus Stryker
Who Are Those Guys
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:42:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:Duran Lex wrote:I stopped after "there has been no successful shooter that's cross platform".
You are the only one I know of that is assuming the game WOULD be cross platform between PC and PS4.
Hint : it wouldn't be. Well even worse, bro. The biggest competitive advantage the EVE Universe has is the fact that everyone is playing in the same "shard" and that everyone can interact with everyone, and I'm not only talking about a chat room here. Oh no, my friend, I'm talking about a full blown sandbox that directly ties into the EVE economy. Creating separate instances and alternative realities and separated player experiences will only water down the experience further. The biggest selling point could easily be "one character, three games"
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Ric Barlom
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Posted - 2014.05.05 11:45:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:Ric Barlom wrote:Duran Lex wrote:I stopped after "there has been no successful shooter that's cross platform".
You are the only one I know of that is assuming the game WOULD be cross platform between PC and PS4.
Hint : it wouldn't be. Well even worse, bro. The biggest competitive advantage the EVE Universe has is the fact that everyone is playing in the same "shard" and that everyone can interact with everyone, and I'm not only talking about a chat room here. Oh no, my friend, I'm talking about a full blown sandbox that directly ties into the EVE economy. Creating separate instances and alternative realities and separated player experiences will only water down the experience further. The biggest selling point could easily be "one character, three games" Good point. And even that vision would be much more complicated to implement when you start adding different platforms into the mix. Yeah, I get it EVE Valkyrie is being made for PS4 but as far as we can tell at this point, the immediate plan for that game is not to make it an immersive sandbox experience but rather a arcade like, heavy octane dog fighting game. |
Ric Barlom
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:59:00 -
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That's right. I said it. Not gonna take it back either. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:09:00 -
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Of course it's not going to happen. Any mention from CCP that it's possible is at best hedging their bets, at worst, calculated damage control.
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I'm out. See you on the other side.
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:10:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:I stopped after "there has been no successful shooter that's cross platform".
You are the only one I know of that is assuming the game WOULD be cross platform between PC and PS4.
Hint : it wouldn't be.
It would have to be wouldn't it? Or would you isolate PS4 players from the rest of the game and thus locking them out of null sov and planetary conquest?
I guess you could do that...
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Ric Barlom
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:15:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Duran Lex wrote:I stopped after "there has been no successful shooter that's cross platform".
You are the only one I know of that is assuming the game WOULD be cross platform between PC and PS4.
Hint : it wouldn't be. It would have to be wouldn't it? Or would you isolate PS4 players from the rest of the game and thus locking them out of null sov and planetary conquest? I guess you could do that... Yeah, and water down the product to a point where PS4 players miss the whole point of EVE Universe experience... Not good, bro. Not good at all.
Who gave out my motherfucking phone number!? I don't wanna be getting any phone calls! I've put Dust way behind me!
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Ric Barlom
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Posted - 2014.05.06 13:19:00 -
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Bumb
Who gave out my motherfucking phone number!? I don't wanna be getting any phone calls! I've put Dust way behind me!
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thesupertman
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2014.05.06 13:37:00 -
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Who cares? I will probobly get a ps4, because i don't like PC gaming. And I will play destiny, battlefront 3, and planetside, and I will be happy happy happy!
CCP DONT **ing FORGET ABOUT THE PS3 USERS!
Just give me something to play with!!
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Ric Barlom
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Posted - 2014.05.06 13:40:00 -
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thesupertman wrote:Who cares? I will probobly get a ps4, because i don't like PC gaming. And I will play destiny, battlefront 3, and planetside, and I will be happy happy happy!
Who cares? Well according to your own sig, my man, you seem to care. That being said, if you don't care and you're happy with Destiny, BF3 and Planetside well that's good for you. Not trying to rub anything in for you non PC guys here but just letting you know what's the deal here.
Who gave out my motherfucking phone number!? I don't wanna be getting any phone calls! I've put Dust way behind me!
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Marc Rime
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:08:00 -
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I assumed they didn't go for PS4 was because PS+, which comes with a monthly fee, is mandatory for online play. Well, that or the hoops they have to jump through before a new build can be pushed out via PSN. |
Ld Collins
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:08:00 -
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Im sorry but if you some how believe that project legion will be this grand mmofps that is impossible on ps4 then you are putting a lot of faith in a company that couldn't even make dust look like an above average ps3 game. Seriously the hype moment about the trailer was that we now have trees. Everything in that trailer was doable on ps4 maybe the rendering is better at farther distances on PC but that's pretty much going to be the only difference.
Marc Rime wrote:I assumed they didn't go for PS4 was because PS+, which comes with a monthly fee, is mandatory for online play. Well, that or the hoops they have to jump through before a new build can be pushed out via PSN.
F2P games on PS4 are F2P they require no subscription. |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:11:00 -
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I can't disagree with anything in the OP. As a PS4 guy I can't say I care much. Sorry but I fall into all their failings were the fault of PS3 limitations. They have the same **** studio working on Legion. Garbage programmers are going to create a garbage game.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:12:00 -
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Marc Rime wrote:I assumed they didn't go for PS4 was because PS+, which comes with a monthly fee, is mandatory for online play. Well, that or the hoops they have to jump through before a new build can be pushed out via PSN.
PS4 does not require PS+ for free to play games.
The only "hoop" they have to jump is the 5 days (on PS4) QA testing by Sony. Let's be honest, they're just swapping platform because...well, they have Eve on PC and they need money.
Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:13:00 -
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Marc Rime wrote:I assumed they didn't go for PS4 was because PS+, which comes with a monthly fee, is mandatory for online play. Well, that or the hoops they have to jump through before a new build can be pushed out via PSN. I believe Sony has reduced or even flat out eliminated the PSN hoops as you call them which is why many F2P MMOs are headed to the platform. I rarely play Warframe, but it seems like every time I do there is an update to download.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Marc Rime
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:17:00 -
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Ld Collins wrote:Marc Rime wrote:I assumed they didn't go for PS4 was because PS+, which comes with a monthly fee, is mandatory for online play. Well, that or the hoops they have to jump through before a new build can be pushed out via PSN. F2P games on PS4 are F2P they require no subscription. So it seems. I stand corrected ;). |
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French Red Whines.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:18:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:I'm gonna go ahead and do something that's gonna irk a lot of people off in these forums. I'm doing it for the love of the game we call Dust514. I'm doing it because I want to see Legion become a success. I'm doing it because it's the right thing to do. And I'm doing it because nobody from CCP has the coconuts to come out here and break it to you guys. It's time for a little come to Jesus meeting, my friends, and I'm gonna let the cat out of the bag right now. That's right, I've had enough of beating around the bush!
Legion will not happen on PS4. Yeah, you heard me right and I'm gonna explain exactly why it's not gonna happen on PS4. First of all there has never been a successful shooter that's cross platform between PC and a console, and don't you dare bringing up Shadowrun here. There are a couple of reasons for that but first of all we've got the keyboard/mouse vs a controller issue and anyone who understands FPS knows, for a fact, that a keyboard/mouse is the superior controlling schema and nothing's gonna change that. It's not gonna be fair for the PS4 trying to fiddle around with that shiny plastic joystick, man, while guys like me are raining death upon their sorry asses with precision sniper shots.
Now before all you White Knight Sony fans decide to charge out of the woodworks on your high horses, accusing yours truly of advocating the "PC Master Race" movement, let me assure you that I like all platforms. Heck, I even play mobile games. Yeah, that's right, I said it and I'm not gonna take it back. Moreover, back in the day when keyboard/mouse debate for Dust514 was raging, I was against bringing that support into our game for the exact same reason. It will never be balanced, it won't be fun and it won't work. You gotta choose and it's either gonna be a controller or it's gonna be the mouse/kayboard combo and CCP has made their decision clear. I want CCP to be "laser focused" on delivering the best game possible and by porting it to multiple platforms it's only lead to watering down the product.
Now there are many other issues here like keeping the game in sync in terms of updates, generational console leaps and dealing with a large corporation like Sony will always be sketchy to say the least. On top of that, when you start piling on the technological constraints, both hardware and software, licensing problems, server issues and database systems, everyone in their right mind should start to get the clue why it's a bad idea. And that's just scratching the surface my friends. And CCP, if anyone in your company, and I mean anyone be it a lead designer or a caretaker, harbours any dreams of PS4 port I suggest you fire their asses before June. Yeah I'm being tough here but that's what it takes at this point to make this game a reality. Tough love. Go and do likewise gents.
Gonna down all your arguments : - First if we can't play Legion, WHY should we want to see Legion becoming a success while they betrayed us and used us as a free Alpha tester ? Seriously YOU want it to become great because YOU are a PC player. We're not.
-Controller vs Keyboard/mouse is a problem ? : NO. First, Dust 514 is already like that, there's controller vs KB/M , and how can you talk about "Tech balance" in a game like Dust ? Where Full Proto is playing against Militia ? The gear (In game AND IRL) with lot of diffrence always been a part of Dust / Legio and EvE. Same for PC, nobody have the same PC, a person with 150 FPS will always have the advantage over a 15 FPS player. Even more with significal difference of ping between players on PC. "Technical" differance is not an argument. To finish, Controller have Aim Assist, while KB/M don't, bringing an closer edge between these two.
- We don't accuse you to be a pure "PC ******" BUT you will play Legion on PC. Not us. Because we can't, because we don't want. While you will, so indirectly it makes you defend the PC side agianst the Cross Plateform / PS4 side. So what ? CCP promised US CONSOLE PLAYERS the same thing years ago. Promise have been maded and is NOT expired. Stop being selfish.
-This argument is really poor, of course Sync needs to be updated, "Oh poor Pc players they will need to wait 1 more week before an update, let's scratch out the whole Game for other people instead" Perfect selfish Pc player. On the other hand There's no "test" for Sony patch so it's CCP give the patch, Sony receive them oney, Patch is released. And since the patch is PC tested, no need for test. "Technilogical" constraints, If the PS4 is not powerful enough for Legion THEN how much PC will be able to play it ? 5% ? 10 % ? License is not a problem, CCP already maded contracts with Sony.
A reality for WHO ? What's the point about making a game if only 10% of Fanbase can actually play it ? Stupid way of thinking. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:24:00 -
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So then should we start pushing for our characters progression to somehow be reflected in Valkyrie? Because at this point that's all we console players have left to hope for in the EVE universe....
PSN ID: AlbelNox2569
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psyanyde
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:27:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote: Or would you isolate PS4 players from the rest of the game and thus locking them out of null sov and planetary conquest?
I guess you could do that...
Not necessary imo The idea:
Technically I think it would be feasible to have PC clients play on one set of 'battle servers' and PS4 to play on another set of 'battle servers'. This would possibly alleviate console player's concerns when it comes to Aimbots/Triggerbots etc
If SoE can do that with PS2 I can't see why CCP couldn't do it with Legion
But CCP could take it a step further and still have some sort of cross-platform gaming going on with the following:
-While in the MQ, PS4 and PC players can still interact with each other via chat, joining corps etc -Corps could have PS4 players AND PC players
The second thing I see as the most interesting -- as it would cause PS4 players to need PC players and vice verse.
This is why:
Lets say you're a mainly PS4 based corp but a PC based corp has a district you want; well then you would make sure you had the best PC players you could have. And the exact thing goes for PC corps.
Now you've won the district and it can now be defended by the PC arm of your Corp or by the PS4 arm
If it's getting attacked via PC your PC members jump into action
If it's getting attacked via PS4 then your console players jump into action
This also stops the game from being a 'niche' PC game imo
Then again I have no idea if CCP is capable of doing this. It's just an idea I've had if Legion were to be greenlit and actually have everyone included. |
meri jin
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.05.06 17:40:00 -
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@Ric Barlom stop trolling dude. If this game doesn't come to the PS4, we simply not going to play it. If it comes to the PS4 we will give it the chance it deserves.
You have technical possibilities to make controller and kb/m work together, it's not that hard. Both the PC player and the Console player would benefit from cross platforms via a bigger player-pool, and a big player pool is what is needed in New Eden. The game is becoming a 100% sandbox game more and more with every step CCP takes, for sandbox you need a huge pool. Hell I'm would even go so far and say let the xbox guys is, if Microsoft is able to cooperate.
And Valkyrie is already on the PS4, so the links are there.
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Ric Barlom
Seraphim Auxiliaries
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:19:00 -
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meri jin wrote:@Ric Barlom if this game doesn't come to the PS4, we simply not going to play it. If it comes to the PS4 we will give it the chance it deserves.
You have technical possibilities to make controller and kb/m work together, it's not that hard. Both the PC player and the Console player would benefit from cross platforms via a bigger player-pool, and a big player pool is what is needed in New Eden. The game is becoming a 100% sandbox game more and more with every step CCP takes, for sandbox you need a huge pool. Hell I'm would even go so far and say let the xbox guys is, if Microsoft is able to cooperate.
And Valkyrie is already on the PS4, so the links are there. Way to stay classy, bro. Goonfeet guy calling me a troll? Really? You busting my balls, right? EDIT: Okay, I'm glad to see you changed your mind and withdrew that trolling comment my man.
Well let me tell you something about "player pools", man, because let's make this clear once and for all here: The combined pool of all PC players put together with all PS4 players simply doesn't matter, my man, and let me tell you exactly why. It doesn't matter because we've got strong competition on BOTH platforms and I'm talking about games that are tailor made for that specific platform. If you're gonna go ahead and water down the Legion experience to cater for both the console players, with their console's limitations, and the PC players you end up watering down the experience for both of the groups resulting in an unattractive game. The answer here is to make a laser focused game that takes full advantage of everything the chosen platform offers. Not trolling, not trying to break your heart, bro, but somebody's got to say it because that chosen platform WAS PS3. Now it's going to be PC.
Who gave out my motherfucking phone number!? I don't wanna be getting any phone calls! I've put Dust way behind me!
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Alina Heart
DEST1NY AWAITS
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:24:00 -
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Stop making Glorified Half page Posts stating the obvious you scumbag, CCP didn't come out and say it because only a complete idiot couldn't figure that on their own, the Middle Finger of CCP to all Console players is ingrained in our minds . Dust is Dead and I'll be Dead before I ever touch a CCP product again, let alone Legion.
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Ric Barlom
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:31:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:Stop making Glorified Half page Posts stating the obvious you scumbag, CCP didn't come out and say it because only a complete idiot couldn't figure that on their own. Dust is Dead and I'll be Dead before I ever touch a CCP product again, let alone Legion. Well first of all, bro, what's a "Glorified Half page Post"?
Now I get that you're angry my man. You're frustrated. I was too when I heard the way they announced this whole Legion deal. It was a total disaster. Now I'm not saying you need to play Legion and I'm not saying you need to play any CCP game either. Heck, I'll even let you take your frustration out on me here in the Dust514 forums, bro! But what I really suggest you do, is that you crack open a cold bottle of Budweiser, go out there and enjoy the sun, do some barbecue and take it easy for a while. Let your blood pressure drop and come back so we can have an actual conversation, dude.
Who gave out my motherfucking phone number!? I don't wanna be getting any phone calls! I've put Dust way behind me!
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Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:45:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote: Well let me tell you something about "player pools", man, because let's make this clear once and for all here: The combined pool of all PC players put together with all PS4 players simply doesn't matter, my man, and let me tell you exactly why. It doesn't matter because we've got strong competition on BOTH platforms and I'm talking about games that are tailor made for that specific platform. If you're gonna go ahead and water down the Legion experience to cater for both the console players, with their console's limitations, and the PC players you end up watering down the experience for both of the groups resulting in an unattractive game. The answer here is to make a laser focused game that takes full advantage of everything the chosen platform offers. Not trolling, not trying to break your heart, bro, but somebody's got to say it because that chosen platform WAS PS3. Now it's going to be PC.
Cept PC has a bunch of configurations that they need to get it to work on at various different settings . PS4 is pretty much a PC so why SHOULD it be a problem to include it ? WHY are you people so desperate to put a rift between PC and Console players ? It just doesn't make sense to a hybrid player .
Especially now when the community needs a united front to pressurize CCP to get what we wan't. We have their arms in a bind man ! We can make them squeel and get good things out of this that benefit all ! BUT NOT IF WE ARE TO BLOODY BUSY FIGHTING EACH OTHER !!!!! And I mean not fighting each other in the good way .
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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ISuperstar
DIOS X. II
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:48:00 -
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Ric Barlom wrote:Alina Heart wrote:Stop making Glorified Half page Posts stating the obvious you scumbag, CCP didn't come out and say it because only a complete idiot couldn't figure that on their own. Dust is Dead and I'll be Dead before I ever touch a CCP product again, let alone Legion. Well first of all, bro, what's a "Glorified Half page Post"? Now I get that you're angry my man. You're frustrated. I was too when I heard the way they announced this whole Legion deal. It was a total disaster. Now I'm not saying you need to play Legion and I'm not saying you need to play any CCP game either. Heck, I'll even let you take your frustration out on me here in the Dust514 forums, bro! But what I really suggest you do, is that you crack open a cold bottle of Budweiser, go out there and enjoy the sun, do some barbecue and take it easy for a while. Let your blood pressure drop and come back so we can have an actual conversation, dude.
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Ziiro Celeste
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
172
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:48:00 -
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Blah blah blah Legion designed on x86, blah blah blah PS4 utilizes x86 architecture, blah blah blah get Legion up and running on PC first, blah blah blah get green light from Sony and port Legion to PS4, blah blah blah.
Aisha Ctarl if you didn't know
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