CCP decides to force the issue by gambling their reputation

Or. Now hear me out here, it may sound a bit crazy...

CCP didn't think about what they were doing enough and forgot to think about how we would react to all of this...

It's a nice theory. Only one problem.

CCP confirmed last year there was nothing in the contract with Sony preventing CCP from exploring other platforms.

This. So OP, your theory is gone :(

I'm also beginning to think that this a bigger part of the overall scenario than has been realized.

Logibro's comments in some of the other threads about how exactly Legion has come about are rather revealing. Unlike Valkyrie, which initially was a Dev side/spare time project, Legion has actually thus far been created as a main project using the production resources slated for supporting and developing DUST. Without actually having the internal authority ("the green light") to do so. Which would mean since October basically, support resources allocated by CCP executives to follow through on the commitments made to Sony regarding product development were usurped at that development level to design and create a product which would NOT go to Sony or the Sony customer base.
This explains not only why all FanFest runup materials term items and events as being DUST 514 instead of Mystery Legion or something else AND explains why we, here on the ground in DUST 514 have been living in crazy-bug-imbalance-see-saw-ville for months with very little done to address it. The devs groups have been working on Legion when they were supposed to have working on DUST. Marketing doesn't know, accounting doesn't know, Hilmar probably didn't know. And we sure as **** didn't know.

Now the legal part of this is where it could get real interesting. CCP of course has every right to create what they want, for who they want. UNLESS they are in a contract where doing so is a conflict. Sony has the Exclusive Distribution rights to DUST514, and it sounds like maybe Valkyrie too. Production rights, duplication rights and distribution rights are all different aspects of total copyright. Selling or leasing them is where the $$ is in creative property. And the case law is long and well established regarding conflicts of interest. Depending on how the terms are written, CCP's development cabal may have just exposed CCP to serious legal action from SONY since what's coming out is that the resources obligated to be available to support the product SONY has been distributing instead were used to develop a COMPETING PRODUCT, thus hampering Sony's ability to be profitable in distributing, since they've been basically given a willfully and knowingly defective product to distribute in the first place.
If it turns out that what I'm seeing is even remotely close to the truth, there may be some heads rolling at CCP real soon. Sony has a looooong history in media distribution, especially in their BMG side. A cease and desist order for something like this is probably a mad-lib form just waiting to be signed and dated. There's NO doubt in my mind that ALL charge-backs happening ultimately will come out of CCPs pocket, and very little doubt that if Sony feels slighted or shortchanged in this in ANY way it WILL not only affect the future distribution prospects of Legion but Valkyrie too. CCP will be in a position to create the greatest video games the world has ever seen and SONY will be in a position to guarantee NOBODY EVER sees them.


TL;DR CCPs cutting off the nose to spite the face may get the neck broken.

Sony won't let CCP carry over any info to Legion.

Sony won't let CCP carry over any info to Legion.

CCP decides to force the issue by gambling their reputation that would be hurt anyway upon the Legion announcement no matter when it was given.

By CCP causing a PR fiasco it would most certainly trickle over to Sony (as it has done).

Thus allowing for "talks" to take place and easier leverage to get the ability to give players their characters et al in Legion.

Certainly plausible and not unheard of for a business. Also, likely if Sony was holding back for legal reasons or maybe to hold on to DUST as an IP through the services they own because CCP wanted to abrupltly end it and move on. Remember Valkyrie hangs in the balance.

So the Fanfest announcememt was sort of a counterf*ck to Sony's f*ck.

What do you think?

I think they kinda told us about dust's cancelation way back in 2011 *Puts on tinfoil hat*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45mlVuLs_Nw&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1&index=17

(skip to 1:25 for the reference I forgot how to time stamp this stuff)

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MK-ULTRA BUMP!

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*uncloaks, locks repper tool onto thread*


-~<{{{Manhattan Project BUMP!}})

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The only scenario here is the obvious, most logical, one.

Sony won't let CCP carry over any info to Legion.

CCP decides to force the issue by gambling their reputation that would be hurt anyway upon the Legion announcement no matter when it was given.

By CCP causing a PR fiasco it would most certainly trickle over to Sony (as it has done).

Thus allowing for "talks" to take place and easier leverage to get the ability to give players their characters et al in Legion.

Certainly plausible and not unheard of for a business. Also, likely if Sony was holding back for legal reasons or maybe to hold on to DUST as an IP through the services they own because CCP wanted to abrupltly end it and move on. Remember Valkyrie hangs in the balance.

So the Fanfest announcememt was sort of a counterf*ck to Sony's f*ck.

What do you think?

Sony won't let CCP carry over any info to Legion.

CCP decides to force the issue by gambling their reputation that would be hurt anyway upon the Legion announcement no matter when it was given.

By CCP causing a PR fiasco it would most certainly trickle over to Sony (as it has done).

Thus allowing for "talks" to take place and easier leverage to get the ability to give players their characters et al in Legion.

Certainly plausible and not unheard of for a business. Also, likely if Sony was holding back for legal reasons or maybe to hold on to DUST as an IP through the services they own because CCP wanted to abrupltly end it and move on. Remember Valkyrie hangs in the balance.

So the Fanfest announcememt was sort of a counterf*ck to Sony's f*ck.

What do you think?

Would of payed money for the Key note Speech to have the Camera shuffling around on DUST 514 players sitting there while CCP Rouge basically said How important the Community is then Said Fuk Console players and Fuk You DUST 514.

Oh Yea I'm CCP Rouge.. The Silent Executive Producer that has promised to have a talk with the DUST 514 community since i was hired..

Just lawls...

It would have been money wasted.

It would have been money wasted.

I'm also beginning to think that this a bigger part of the overall scenario than has been realized.

Logibro's comments in some of the other threads about how exactly Legion has come about are rather revealing. Unlike Valkyrie, which initially was a Dev side/spare time project, Legion has actually thus far been created as a main project using the production resources slated for supporting and developing DUST. Without actually having the internal authority ("the green light") to do so. Which would mean since October basically, support resources allocated by CCP executives to follow through on the commitments made to Sony regarding product development were usurped at that development level to design and create a product which would NOT go to Sony or the Sony customer base.
This explains not only why all FanFest runup materials term items and events as being DUST 514 instead of Mystery Legion or something else AND explains why we, here on the ground in DUST 514 have been living in crazy-bug-imbalance-see-saw-ville for months with very little done to address it. The devs groups have been working on Legion when they were supposed to have working on DUST. Marketing doesn't know, accounting doesn't know, Hilmar probably didn't know. And we sure as **** didn't know.

Now the legal part of this is where it could get real interesting. CCP of course has every right to create what they want, for who they want. UNLESS they are in a contract where doing so is a conflict. Sony has the Exclusive Distribution rights to DUST514, and it sounds like maybe Valkyrie too. Production rights, duplication rights and distribution rights are all different aspects of total copyright. Selling or leasing them is where the $$ is in creative property. And the case law is long and well established regarding conflicts of interest. Depending on how the terms are written, CCP's development cabal may have just exposed CCP to serious legal action from SONY since what's coming out is that the resources obligated to be available to support the product SONY has been distributing instead were used to develop a COMPETING PRODUCT, thus hampering Sony's ability to be profitable in distributing, since they've been basically given a willfully and knowingly defective product to distribute in the first place.
If it turns out that what I'm seeing is even remotely close to the truth, there may be some heads rolling at CCP real soon. Sony has a looooong history in media distribution, especially in their BMG side. A cease and desist order for something like this is probably a mad-lib form just waiting to be signed and dated. There's NO doubt in my mind that ALL charge-backs happening ultimately will come out of CCPs pocket, and very little doubt that if Sony feels slighted or shortchanged in this in ANY way it WILL not only affect the future distribution prospects of Legion but Valkyrie too. CCP will be in a position to create the greatest video games the world has ever seen and SONY will be in a position to guarantee NOBODY EVER sees them.


TL;DR CCPs cutting off the nose to spite the face may get the neck broken.

It's a nice theory. Only one problem.

CCP confirmed last year there was nothing in the contract with Sony preventing CCP from exploring other platforms.

PIs/SPIs are stored in Playstation Network. Your Dust514 account is stored in CCPs databases along with your PSN ID. CCPs infrastructure is interfaced with PSStore via this ID. That's it.


So all your account data, virtual goods and achievements are already with CCP, always were. What would Sony object to?



Smoke & Mirrors.

Do you really think they worked on Legion without Hilmar's approval?

He basically said: "You show me something exciting, and you will get green lit".
It's that simple.

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I for one hope that wasn't the case, if it was then the scenario I described becomes even more likely with SONY pursuing enforcement even more aggressively. Nobody likes getting ripped off, especially billion dollar multinational companies. And before people start flaming about there never having been ANY legal agreement before between CCP and SONY I ask, How exactly then do you think DUST was made a PS3 exclusive in the first place?


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