DUST Search - Conspiracy theory

el OPERATOR wrote:

I'm also beginning to think that this a bigger part of the overall scenario than has been realized.

Logibro's comments in some of the other threads about how exactly Legion has come about are rather revealing. Unlike Valkyrie, which initially was a Dev side/spare time project, Legion has actually thus far been created as a main project using the production resources slated for supporting and developing DUST. Without actually having the internal authority ("the green light") to do so. Which would mean since October basically, support resources allocated by CCP executives to follow through on the commitments made to Sony regarding product development were usurped at that development level to design and create a product which would NOT go to Sony or the Sony customer base.
This explains not only why all FanFest runup materials term items and events as being DUST 514 instead of Mystery Legion or something else AND explains why we, here on the ground in DUST 514 have been living in crazy-bug-imbalance-see-saw-ville for months with very little done to address it. The devs groups have been working on Legion when they were supposed to have working on DUST. Marketing doesn't know, accounting doesn't know, Hilmar probably didn't know. And we sure as **** didn't know.

Now the legal part of this is where it could get real interesting. CCP of course has every right to create what they want, for who they want. UNLESS they are in a contract where doing so is a conflict. Sony has the Exclusive Distribution rights to DUST514, and it sounds like maybe Valkyrie too. Production rights, duplication rights and distribution rights are all different aspects of total copyright. Selling or leasing them is where the $$ is in creative property. And the case law is long and well established regarding conflicts of interest. Depending on how the terms are written, CCP's development cabal may have just exposed CCP to serious legal action from SONY since what's coming out is that the resources obligated to be available to support the product SONY has been distributing instead were used to develop a COMPETING PRODUCT, thus hampering Sony's ability to be profitable in distributing, since they've been basically given a willfully and knowingly defective product to distribute in the first place.
If it turns out that what I'm seeing is even remotely close to the truth, there may be some heads rolling at CCP real soon. Sony has a looooong history in media distribution, especially in their BMG side. A cease and desist order for something like this is probably a mad-lib form just waiting to be signed and dated. There's NO doubt in my mind that ALL charge-backs happening ultimately will come out of CCPs pocket, and very little doubt that if Sony feels slighted or shortchanged in this in ANY way it WILL not only affect the future distribution prospects of Legion but Valkyrie too. CCP will be in a position to create the greatest video games the world has ever seen and SONY will be in a position to guarantee NOBODY EVER sees them.

TL;DR CCPs cutting off the nose to spite the face may get the neck broken.

I'm not only the president of the DUST hair club for men. I'm aGÇª fired? Hold on.

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Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 67	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:11:00 - [1] - Quote Sony won't let CCP carry over any info to Legion. CCP decides to force the issue by gambling their reputation that would be hurt anyway upon the Legion announcement no matter when it was given. By CCP causing a PR fiasco it would most certainly trickle over to Sony (as it has done). Thus allowing for "talks" to take place and easier leverage to get the ability to give players their characters et al in Legion. Certainly plausible and not unheard of for a business. Also, likely if Sony was holding back for legal reasons or maybe to hold on to DUST as an IP through the services they own because CCP wanted to abrupltly end it and move on. Remember Valkyrie hangs in the balance. So the Fanfest announcememt was sort of a counterfck to Sony's fck. What do you think? I'm not only the president of the DUST hair club for men. I'm aGÇª fired? Hold on.
BL4CKST4R warravens Final Resolution. 2679	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:13:00 - [2] - Quote Or just a big cluster f.ck Markdown:
Test STFU Intara Direct Action Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:14:00 - [3] - Quote How would Sony prevent CCP from carrying info over?
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2707	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:25:00 - [4] - Quote Or. Now hear me out here, it may sound a bit crazy... CCP didn't think about what they were doing enough and forgot to think about how we would react to all of this...
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 67	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:26:00 - [5] - Quote [quote=Test STFU]How would Sony prevent CCP from carrying info over?[/quote Legal reasons. Which most likely is the reason. The service is over PSN. The accounts are Sony's. There may not have been any resistence from Sony. Then again maybe their was. The two companies still have a deal for Valkyrie. I can see Sony wanting to leverage keeping DUST in development as a product they would continue to benefit from. Not allowing character transfer to Legion would be key in that. CCP knew that would be the biggest concern by players that would want to continue over to Legion. If there wasn't going to be a problem then why wasn't the character transfer already part of the announcement? Why then did they have to have talks with Sony after the announcement and Sony getting bombarded with refund demands? I'm not only the president of the DUST hair club for men. I'm aGÇª fired? Hold on.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 1154	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:30:00 - [6] - Quote Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: CCP decides to force the issue by gambling their reputation They gambled their reputation already. They lost. Nemo me impune lacessit CCP - Announcing games at the same time as killing the ones you love CCP - No Credibility
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8328	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:34:00 - [7] - Quote It's a nice theory. Only one problem. CCP confirmed last year there was nothing in the contract with Sony preventing CCP from exploring other platforms. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 134	Posted - 2014.05.05 06:58:00 - [8] - Quote I'm also beginning to think that this a bigger part of the overall scenario than has been realized. Logibro's comments in some of the other threads about how exactly Legion has come about are rather revealing. Unlike Valkyrie, which initially was a Dev side/spare time project, Legion has actually thus far been created as a main project using the production resources slated for supporting and developing DUST. Without actually having the internal authority ("the green light") to do so. Which would mean since October basically, support resources allocated by CCP executives to follow through on the commitments made to Sony regarding product development were usurped at that development level to design and create a product which would NOT go to Sony or the Sony customer base. This explains not only why all FanFest runup materials term items and events as being DUST 514 instead of Mystery Legion or something else AND explains why we, here on the ground in DUST 514 have been living in crazy-bug-imbalance-see-saw-ville for months with very little done to address it. The devs groups have been working on Legion when they were supposed to have working on DUST. Marketing doesn't know, accounting doesn't know, Hilmar probably didn't know. And we sure as ** didn't know. Now the legal part of this is where it could get real interesting. CCP of course has every right to create what they want, for who they want. UNLESS they are in a contract where doing so is a conflict. Sony has** the Exclusive Distribution rights to DUST514, and it sounds like maybe Valkyrie too. Production rights, duplication rights and distribution rights are all different aspects of total copyright. Selling or leasing them is where the $$ is in creative property. And the case law is long and well established regarding conflicts of interest. Depending on how the terms are written, CCP's development cabal may have just exposed CCP to serious legal action from SONY since what's coming out is that the resources obligated to be available to support the product SONY has been distributing instead were used to develop a COMPETING PRODUCT, thus hampering Sony's ability to be profitable in distributing, since they've been basically given a willfully and knowingly defective product to distribute in the first place. If it turns out that what I'm seeing is even remotely close to the truth, there may be some heads rolling at CCP real soon. Sony has a looooong history in media distribution, especially in their BMG side. A cease and desist order for something like this is probably a mad-lib form just waiting to be signed and dated. There's NO doubt in my mind that ALL charge-backs happening ultimately will come out of CCPs pocket, and very little doubt that if Sony feels slighted or shortchanged in this in ANY way it WILL not only affect the future distribution prospects of Legion but Valkyrie too. CCP will be in a position to create the greatest video games the world has ever seen and SONY will be in a position to guarantee NOBODY EVER sees them. TL;DR CCPs cutting off the nose to spite the face may get the neck broken. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 146	Posted - 2014.05.05 08:38:00 - [9] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Or. Now hear me out here, it may sound a bit crazy... CCP didn't think about what they were doing enough and forgot to think about how we would react to all of this... What?!? No, that's insane. CCP must be evil conspiratorial fisherman hellbent on stealing all our money and leaving us in the dust. Yeah, that must be it. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
Dreniella Expert Intervention Caldari State 39	Posted - 2014.05.05 08:54:00 - [10] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: It's a nice theory. Only one problem. CCP confirmed last year there was nothing in the contract with Sony preventing CCP from exploring other platforms. This. So OP, your theory is gone :(

el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 135	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:22:00 - [11] - Quote Dreniella wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: It's a nice theory. Only one problem. CCP confirmed last year there was nothing in the contract with Sony preventing CCP from exploring other platforms. This. So OP, your theory is gone :( Because obviously CCP is completely open about their internal operations and operates with full, accurate disclosures at all times. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2216	Posted - 2014.05.05 09:31:00 - [12] - Quote The only scenario here is the obvious, most logical, one. He, though forbidden by the Codex, was a Precursor. He tried the Replication of Chromosomes. He led to an Uprising
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 135	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:14:00 - [13] - Quote Tin-foil hat bump Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Joseph Ridgeson warravens Final Resolution. 1618	Posted - 2014.05.05 10:35:00 - [14] - Quote Occam's Razor: "CCP pulls a Machiavellian plan where all the hate will become focused on both Sony and themselves so that they can do what they really wanted to do all along." -OR- "CCP seriously disregarded how people would react to this news, something they have done repeatedly in EVE."
LtGen Shanks Kinsho Swords Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:08:00 - [15] - Quote Sounds plausible but I tend to stay away from conspiracies since most are too farfetched.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2769	Posted - 2014.05.05 11:15:00 - [16] - Quote Considering you character info is stored on CCP servers, your PSN account is effectively a pass through, CCP already have all tje information required for transfering characters. Your email, address and your Characters name, Pair this with no exclusivity contract, no legal partnership or anythingmof the sort. CCP like they have done so many times before didn't know /didn't care about the reaction. Of which it is most likely the latter, if you didn't know that telling someone the game they had been helping develop and wanted to play was being given to someone on a different platform, which you are not part of, would cause an uproar. Well for the love of god don't programme an AI. Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 71	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:48:00 - [17] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: I'm also beginning to think that this a bigger part of the overall scenario than has been realized. Logibro's comments in some of the other threads about how exactly Legion has come about are rather revealing. Unlike Valkyrie, which initially was a Dev side/spare time project, Legion has actually thus far been created as a main project using the production resources slated for supporting and developing DUST. Without actually having the internal authority ("the green light") to do so. Which would mean since October basically, support resources allocated by CCP executives to follow through on the commitments made to Sony regarding product development were usurped at that development level to design and create a product which would NOT go to Sony or the Sony customer base. This explains not only why all FanFest runup materials term items and events as being DUST 514 instead of Mystery Legion or something else AND explains why we, here on the ground in DUST 514 have been living in crazy-bug-imbalance-see-saw-ville for months with very little done to address it. The devs groups have been working on Legion when they were supposed to have working on DUST. Marketing doesn't know, accounting doesn't know, Hilmar probably didn't know. And we sure as ** didn't know. Now the legal part of this is where it could get real interesting. CCP of course has every right to create what they want, for who they want. UNLESS they are in a contract where doing so is a conflict. Sony has** the Exclusive Distribution rights to DUST514, and it sounds like maybe Valkyrie too. Production rights, duplication rights and distribution rights are all different aspects of total copyright. Selling or leasing them is where the $$ is in creative property. And the case law is long and well established regarding conflicts of interest. Depending on how the terms are written, CCP's development cabal may have just exposed CCP to serious legal action from SONY since what's coming out is that the resources obligated to be available to support the product SONY has been distributing instead were used to develop a COMPETING PRODUCT, thus hampering Sony's ability to be profitable in distributing, since they've been basically given a willfully and knowingly defective product to distribute in the first place. If it turns out that what I'm seeing is even remotely close to the truth, there may be some heads rolling at CCP real soon. Sony has a looooong history in media distribution, especially in their BMG side. A cease and desist order for something like this is probably a mad-lib form just waiting to be signed and dated. There's NO doubt in my mind that ALL charge-backs happening ultimately will come out of CCPs pocket, and very little doubt that if Sony feels slighted or shortchanged in this in ANY way it WILL not only affect the future distribution prospects of Legion but Valkyrie too. CCP will be in a position to create the greatest video games the world has ever seen and SONY will be in a position to guarantee NOBODY EVER sees them. TL;DR CCPs cutting off the nose to spite the face may get the neck broken. Well said. Exactly! This would be like how Microsoft didn't even want to go in on the deal. Sony must have also had some important caveats to DUST being on CCP's server and yet being piped through Sony's service that can benefit Sony. Do you think Sony would want to lose those accounts if only because they can promote the subscription rate and also keep players plugged into their system vs. a competitor? This is not unlike the comic book industry where DC and Marvel held creative rights on any characters created there. Also, not unlike how if you come into work and create something on company time it can be legally claimed by the company. It isn't yours if you used company time to do it. Also also, remember Prince? He changed his name to a symbol due to legal rights issues with his record label. It is plausible that this was a media stunt meant to avoid a nasty divorce. I'm not only the president of the DUST hair club for men. I'm aGÇª fired? Hold on.
Orenji Jiji 423	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:20:00 - [18] - Quote Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: Sony won't let CCP carry over any info to Legion. PIs/SPIs are stored in Playstation Network. Your Dust514 account is stored in CCPs databases along with your PSN ID. CCPs infrastructure is interfaced with PSStore via this ID. That's it. So all your account data, virtual goods and achievements are already with CCP, always were. What would Sony object to? Smoke & Mirrors. *YOU'RE GONNA CARRY THAT WEIGHT.*
Yoma Carrim Kinsho Swords Caldari State 517	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:23:00 - [19] - Quote Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: Sony won't let CCP carry over any info to Legion. CCP decides to force the issue by gambling their reputation that would be hurt anyway upon the Legion announcement no matter when it was given. By CCP causing a PR fiasco it would most certainly trickle over to Sony (as it has done). Thus allowing for "talks" to take place and easier leverage to get the ability to give players their characters et al in Legion. Certainly plausible and not unheard of for a business. Also, likely if Sony was holding back for legal reasons or maybe to hold on to DUST as an IP through the services they own because CCP wanted to abrupltly end it and move on. Remember Valkyrie hangs in the balance. So the Fanfest announcememt was sort of a counterfck to Sony's fck. What do you think? I think they kinda told us about dust's cancelation way back in 2011 Puts on tinfoil hat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45mlVuLs_Nw&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1&index=17 (skip to 1:25 for the reference I forgot how to time stamp this stuff) Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 72	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:27:00 - [20] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: Sony won't let CCP carry over any info to Legion. CCP decides to force the issue by gambling their reputation that would be hurt anyway upon the Legion announcement no matter when it was given. By CCP causing a PR fiasco it would most certainly trickle over to Sony (as it has done). Thus allowing for "talks" to take place and easier leverage to get the ability to give players their characters et al in Legion. Certainly plausible and not unheard of for a business. Also, likely if Sony was holding back for legal reasons or maybe to hold on to DUST as an IP through the services they own because CCP wanted to abrupltly end it and move on. Remember Valkyrie hangs in the balance. So the Fanfest announcememt was sort of a counterfck to Sony's fck. What do you think? I think they kinda told us about dust's cancelation way back in 2011 Puts on tinfoil hat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45mlVuLs_Nw&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1&index=17 (skip to 1:25 for the reference I forgot how to time stamp this stuff) Lol, yeah. DUST guy says "We had an agreement". Lol Doesn't it feel like that now? They left us for dead and then orbital the whole d*mn thing. Get rid of the evidence. I'm not only the president of the DUST hair club for men. I'm aGÇª fired? Hold on.

el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 141	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:34:00 - [21] - Quote Second Gunman Bump! Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 141	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:54:00 - [22] - Quote uncloaks MK-ULTRA BUMP! recloaks Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Yoma Carrim Kinsho Swords Caldari State 518	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:58:00 - [23] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: uncloaks MK-ULTRA BUMP! recloaks Okay people Scout identified keep your heads on a swivel he may reappear in another thread! Oh Heck
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 144	Posted - 2014.05.17 23:30:00 - [24] - Quote uncloaks, locks repper tool onto thread -~<{{{Manhattan Project BUMP!}}) recloaks Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Yoma Carrim Kinsho Swords Caldari State 545	Posted - 2014.05.17 23:34:00 - [25] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: uncloaks, locks repper tool onto thread -~<{{{Manhattan Project BUMP!}}) recloaks Quick fallow the shimmer and shoot it Oh Heck
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 44	Posted - 2014.05.17 23:40:00 - [26] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: The only scenario here is the obvious, most logical, one. Which is....?
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 44	Posted - 2014.05.18 00:12:00 - [27] - Quote Well actually...here Andrew House is an Eve fan? :D "Stattdessen beratschlagten sie hinter verschlossenen T++ren mit CCP-CEO Hilmar Petursson" Interesting... and oh, that's a report in english Here
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15081	Posted - 2014.05.18 00:23:00 - [28] - Quote Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: Sony won't let CCP carry over any info to Legion. CCP decides to force the issue by gambling their reputation that would be hurt anyway upon the Legion announcement no matter when it was given. By CCP causing a PR fiasco it would most certainly trickle over to Sony (as it has done). Thus allowing for "talks" to take place and easier leverage to get the ability to give players their characters et al in Legion. Certainly plausible and not unheard of for a business. Also, likely if Sony was holding back for legal reasons or maybe to hold on to DUST as an IP through the services they own because CCP wanted to abrupltly end it and move on. Remember Valkyrie hangs in the balance. So the Fanfest announcememt was sort of a counterfck to Sony's fck. What do you think? Or maybe the late fanfest announcement took place after some meetings and phone calls earlier that day concerning PSN account information transfers. The mind boggles. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
End is Near Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.05.18 01:26:00 - [29] - Quote Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: Sony won't let CCP carry over any info to Legion. CCP decides to force the issue by gambling their reputation that would be hurt anyway upon the Legion announcement no matter when it was given. By CCP causing a PR fiasco it would most certainly trickle over to Sony (as it has done). Thus allowing for "talks" to take place and easier leverage to get the ability to give players their characters et al in Legion. Certainly plausible and not unheard of for a business. Also, likely if Sony was holding back for legal reasons or maybe to hold on to DUST as an IP through the services they own because CCP wanted to abrupltly end it and move on. Remember Valkyrie hangs in the balance. So the Fanfest announcememt was sort of a counterfck to Sony's fck. What do you think? FAILED! There is NO CONTRACT what so ever between CCP and Sony. This is from the CEO of CCP games. To lazy to look for article link. What also was stated in that interview "dust 514 was not a good game". Let's face it, dust 514 has an average of 3k players at any given time. That is NO WHERE near enough players to be profitable. This ship is sinking FAST! NOTHING can save Dust or Legion. There are TONS of PC games I would play before ever touching another CCP game. July, I will be gone and all I can say is ashes to ashes. Ill stick with a company that sticks with its players.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 1884	Posted - 2014.05.18 01:37:00 - [30] - Quote Would of payed money for the Key note Speech to have the Camera shuffling around on DUST 514 players sitting there while CCP Rouge basically said How important the Community is then Said Fuk Console players and Fuk You DUST 514. Oh Yea I'm CCP Rouge.. The Silent Executive Producer that has promised to have a talk with the DUST 514 community since i was hired.. Just lawls...



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