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Kondor Pendragon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.05.05 03:24:00 - [1] - Quote Okay. I haven't posted the past couple of days. I've followed the news, all the rage, all the non-rage, and I've had time to gather my own thoughts as well. This "letter" will rationally explain my thoughts and feelings on the situation, as well as some suggestions about topics that I will touch on. First off CCP, you've handled this whole situation terribly. The time of announcement was terrible. The where of the announcement was terrible. The mode of announcement was terrible. And the follow-up silence has not helped your case. To be completely honest, I don't know why these decisions were made, and frankly I don't care why. That's not an issue to me. From what I've heard, you should really take into consideration what your CPM and CSM suggest to you more, especially when it comes to relations with your community. As for the actual game of Legion? Cool game. I still like the concept. But the problem here is that you've sold your DUST players, especially the ones who play exclusively on consoles, Legion, but under a different name which seems to have now been chalked up as a failure to the point that you're making a brand new game. And it's not on the platform that your players play on. Despite the fact that you would have to work on building a largely new player base, this is just frustrating. And really, what makes it morally wrong is the fact that you've had these events that have pushed buying AURUM for Omega Boosters and whatnot leading up to this announcement that you must have known would be unpopular, with the knowledge that you are now making the game DUST players thought they were getting for the PC. So now, the way I see it, you have a few different groups. You have the group of people who are at least mostly okay with this whole thing. These people tend to be the ones who played EVE or have some kind of computer that would be able to run this new game, if it's given the green light and becomes a thing that will for sure happen. That's group one. Group two are the people who think this is all a huge outrage, many of which are the forum warriors we know so well. And the problem that this group has with Legion is the fact that they probably won't be able to play the game that they were always supposed to get, because either 1) they will not get a PC because they game on a console and that's all they play on, or 2) have the inability to get a PC that would be able to run the game due to time or money constraints, or other circumstances. This is the most vocal group we've seen on the forums, and they fully have the right to be as outraged as they are, because the time and money they invested in DUST is going to be put toward the product they were supposed to receive but will no longer be able to. And group number three consists of people who are on the fence. They either have a PC and can run the game, or have the ability to get one to play your game. However, their problems include worries about what happens to the time, money and effort they put into DUST when it comes to Legion. Also, they might be worried about the morality and trustworthiness of CCP now. That's group three and frankly, you'll need to put some effort into winning them over and convincing them to invest into Legion now. I, myself, fall into this group three. So as a member of the "on-the-fence" group, there are some things I think would be a good idea for CCP to do in order to smooth some things over with the players, both the ones who might play Legion and those who won't but are still hurt. These things include the following: 1. There really ought to be some kind of public apology for the way that this has all been handled. Whether or not CCP as a company thinks they are wrong, what matters is that the community that they built up thinks they were wrong in handling this the way it has been handled. The timing of the announcement and the following silence afterwards are the big issues here.
Kondor Pendragon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.05.05 03:25:00 - [2] - Quote The following pertain to the "on-the-fence" group as ideas to win them back over and apply to Group 1, since there is likely very little you can do to win back Group 2 if Legion gets the green light: 2. Character transfer needs to happen. Skill points, ISK and assets (meaning dropsuits, weapons, vehicles, etc.) need to be carried over to Legion, otherwise they feel their time was wasted. If skills or assets aren't applicable in Legion, the points for that skill should be refunded in terms of raw unallocated SP, and for the assets, should be returned in terms of ISK. Really, at least in my opinion, if this happens the players who transfer their characters should start with all of their SP unallocated and all of their assets returned to them in the form of ISK, allowing them to explore the new game's skills and items for the start of the new game for themselves. 3. If the decision is made to release Legion back to the PlayStation community later in the future, DUST players that transferred to the PC (or if they decided to start brand new) should have a way to transfer back to their PlayStation. Honestly, it's the platform we want to play on, and if we follow you to the PC, allow us to go back to our preferred platform if this becomes applicable. 4. There should be some kind of compensation or reward for the people who do stick around with you after DUST. Figure out a way you can celebrate their continued support in Legion. There should be something special these people get as a reward for effectively beta-testing Legion for you by playing DUST. 5. We need to know that you've learned from your mistakes and that you will try to avoid them in the future. 6. Legion needs to be released in full. No more "beta-testing" for the players. We've done it for two years now. I think we're ready for a full game. These are my thoughts. I feel that if you can accomplish that list of 6 things, you'd be able to salvage relations with that "off-the-fence" group, and you'd make the happy ones happier. Thanks for the time, Kondor
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1124	Posted - 2014.05.05 03:42:00 - [3] - Quote Good summary. I also fall into group 3, as I have no belief that Legion will materialise, and now have no reason to log into Dust as the game will not develop appreciably beyond the current iteration. Knowledge is power
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3100	Posted - 2014.05.05 03:45:00 - [4] - Quote Personally I think a refund of the last 30 days of aurum sales is the least they could do to get rid of the bad taste in everyone's mouth after pushing boosters and origin packs days before killing dust. o7 I'm out. See you on the other side. psn: bobswerski
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8324	Posted - 2014.05.05 03:59:00 - [5] - Quote I'm in the third group as well. Honestly I believe that Legion should just launch as soon as @HilmarVeigar (Twitter handle) gives the green light at all. Since Legion is basically Dust on the PC with all the lessons learned from the PS3 version, it should launch immediately. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Alex-P-Keaton Kramer Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 265	Posted - 2014.05.05 04:08:00 - [6] - Quote good f'ing god im not gonna read that **, did anyone here actually read all that ? am i truly the only one offended by all that **? whats the score here fellas, whats going on Former MAG player, unfortunate dust victim, out of work, will kill for food.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8326	Posted - 2014.05.05 04:18:00 - [7] - Quote Alex-P-Keaton Kramer wrote: good f'ing god im not gonna read that **, did anyone here actually read all that ? am i truly the only one offended by all that **? whats the score here fellas, whats going on Start reading. You didn't take Reading Comprehension in middle school and high school for nothing. Yes, I read it all and it makes sense. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 517	Posted - 2014.05.05 04:21:00 - [8] - Quote Hard to say..but I think it goes a bit deeper/ However, as much as I would fall into the OPs opinionated 3rd group. I honestly have to say I would fit more within group 1. This is only, because these game are my hobbie. No different from building a car or collecting some random object. I like the New Eden Universe. I want to see it expand and grow. I can't say I agree with everything CCP has,is and will do, but I can say that they have created something far beyond most other gaming companies could even fathom. I want to be a part of that. The community, the lore, the self driven stories and most of the my own imagination inspired by the foundation of these games. Fight the good fight! Everyone deserve proper explanations and compensation. Our time and our money has been invested in a common interest. The Community deserves to be heard and answered.
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2952	Posted - 2014.05.05 04:30:00 - [9] - Quote OP has a good post with one serious flaw. Legion isn't done, not by a long shot. It will have a beta period, fighting this is dumb. Major advantage for PC dev is no patch middleman, so builds / changes / fixes / whatever can be produced and delivered much more rapidly than pushing to the PS3 or PS4. No matter what you want, there will be an iterative testing period, and thats actually good for the product. Rick : And remember, this gun is pointed right at your heart. Captain Renault : That is my least vulnerable spot.
Kondor Pendragon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 30	Posted - 2014.05.05 04:35:00 - [10] - Quote Well noted. The message I was trying to send, however, was that we've been testing their ideas for however long its been now. When they go into full release with Legion, it's my opinion that at least most of the core needs to be there straight off the bat instead of releasing a halfway completed game like they did with DUST. All the stuff they're talking about now has been talked about for the lifespan of DUST. Things like a player market, true connection to EVE, and things like PVE need to be in the first iteration of the officially launched game. I completely understand there will need to be some testing done.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8326	Posted - 2014.05.05 04:37:00 - [11] - Quote dent 308 wrote: OP has a good post with one serious flaw. Legion isn't done, not by a long shot. It will have a beta period, fighting this is dumb. Major advantage for PC dev is no patch middleman, so builds / changes / fixes / whatever can be produced and delivered much more rapidly than pushing to the PS3 or PS4. No matter what you want, there will be an iterative testing period, and thats actually good for the product. I suppose you're right. CCP needs to make sure that Legion doesn't commit the same mistakes that Dust made. The BPO debacle back in 2013, the miserable launch of Planetary Conquest, the flawed FW LP store, the incomplete parity among weapons and vehicles, the terrible matchmaking (or lack of it), and absolutely no proper academy system. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8326	Posted - 2014.05.05 04:40:00 - [12] - Quote Since we're on this topic, I like to point out that once character transfers can be established from the PS3 to the PC, I will be completely ok with CCP converting my BPOs into vanity items like cosmetics for suits and stuff like that. Like many others, I invested money into those BPOs and I would like to at least continue to use them in some fashion in Legion. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
TheGoebel Blue Solutions 110	Posted - 2014.05.05 04:42:00 - [13] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: dent 308 wrote: OP has a good post with one serious flaw. Legion isn't done, not by a long shot. It will have a beta period, fighting this is dumb. Major advantage for PC dev is no patch middleman, so builds / changes / fixes / whatever can be produced and delivered much more rapidly than pushing to the PS3 or PS4. No matter what you want, there will be an iterative testing period, and thats actually good for the product. I suppose you're right. CCP needs to make sure that Legion doesn't commit the same mistakes that Dust made. The BPO debacle back in 2013, the miserable launch of Planetary Conquest, the flawed FW LP store, the incomplete parity among weapons and vehicles, the terrible matchmaking (or lack of it), and absolutely no proper academy system. Can we really expect any of that? Decent balancing that is. I guess that's why I'm not in the third group. While I want Legion to be better, and frankly it would be hard not to, that's not whats keeping me from wanting to play it. Even if every demand on the list is met I would still be skeptical of future CCP shanghai development.
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 908	Posted - 2014.05.05 04:58:00 - [14] - Quote I'm done. This was the first MMO that I got involved in. I had played plenty of MMOs, I just played alone, because I was never interested in making virtual friends. It always seemed pointless to me. Without the aspect of being in a community leaving an MMO was always easy. I just quit playing. It was always very easy. With Dust I fell in. I talked to people, I made friends, I shared lots of laughs, and lots of games. I joined my first corp and migrated with players from that corp to another in my 2 year merc career. I was always on the fence about getting into EVE: Online but I never have the time for two obsessions. So I played Dust. Believed all the hype. Trusted the words of the staff about the plans for the future. Before Fanfest I started getting into the meta of Dust a bit. Loved talking trash and trying to route loyalties against DNS. It was a lot of fun. Couldn't wait for fanfest. Had the live stream qued up. (I watched as it happened.) I luckily I did not pay for the HD stream. I was so excited to hear news of PVE, the player market, new vehicles, PC fixes, all of it! I was pumped. Then the slap to the face. Jean Charles Gaudechon made a mockery of this entire community. Shrugged it off. Carried on his merry way. In all my years I have never seen an executive with so little care for his customer base. The backpedaling and promising that characters can eventually cross over can only be seen as more empty promises. It could also be seen as a knee jerk reaction to the backlash, that CCP admittedly knew was coming. It'll have to do for now, until all the bad publicity blows over...right? I have a gaming PC and I was thoroughly insulted. I felt bad for other players. Players that invested in a lot more than I did. Players that bought it all. Players that made fan Youtube videos, websites, charts and graphs and updated information more than the developers did. It was clear message to console gamers. "CCP does not want you here." This message will be gladly returned from the console community when Valkyrie comes to the PS4. Ultimately CCP through the mistreatment of their fans have shown me that being "involved" with a game is a terrible idea. I just feel sad that I wasted time with it. Thanks. Glad it was easy to shrug us off CCP. So congrats to CCP you helped create a gamer that will never buy a CCP product ever again and will gladly tell other consumers to avoid your products. @CCP Rouge: You don't sh*t where you eat. Idiot.
DUST 514 Player 12345678914 Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 609	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:01:00 - [15] - Quote dent 308 wrote: OP has a good post with one serious flaw. Legion isn't done, not by a long shot. It will have a beta period, fighting this is dumb. Major advantage for PC dev is no patch middleman, so builds / changes / fixes / whatever can be produced and delivered much more rapidly than pushing to the PS3 or PS4. No matter what you want, there will be an iterative testing period, and thats actually good for the product. The CCP falling out with Sony must have been a good one. You have a lot to answer for.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8327	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:04:00 - [16] - Quote DUST 514 Player 12345678914 wrote: dent 308 wrote: OP has a good post with one serious flaw. Legion isn't done, not by a long shot. It will have a beta period, fighting this is dumb. Major advantage for PC dev is no patch middleman, so builds / changes / fixes / whatever can be produced and delivered much more rapidly than pushing to the PS3 or PS4. No matter what you want, there will be an iterative testing period, and thats actually good for the product. The CCP falling out with Sony must have been a good one. Let's face it. The PC was the only best option so far. Consoles, especially with the likes of Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo, are hindered by many things you and I know too well about. Frankly CCP should've started on the PC first when they had the chance and then migrate to the PS4 later on. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 989	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:12:00 - [17] - Quote OP...best summary i've seen yet. I am also a "Group 3" player... spot on assessment. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 897	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:25:00 - [18] - Quote Kondor Pendragon wrote: Almost everything I wanted to say. You saved me a lot of typing. I'm in the 3rd group too, but what about the 2nd? For whatever reason, CCP decided not to make good on their original promises, so a partial refund of the money they spent seems reasonable and would help patch things up with their angry customers. I know some are saying nothing short of a full refund and the sacrifice of CCP's firstborn will make things right, but be honest: you've never had plans that fell through? And you had at least a little fun while playing. Isn't that worth some money? (Obviously, if one took this option their Dust character would not be transferred to Legion.)
Kondor Pendragon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 34	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:36:00 - [19] - Quote Timothy Reaper wrote: Kondor Pendragon wrote: Almost everything I wanted to say. You saved me a lot of typing. I'm in the 3rd group too, but what about the 2nd? For whatever reason, CCP decided not to make good on their original promises, so a partial refund of the money they spent seems reasonable and would help patch things up with their angry customers. I know some are saying nothing short of a full refund and the sacrifice of CCP's firstborn will make things right, but be honest: you've never had plans that fell through? And you had at least a little fun while playing. Isn't that worth some money? (Obviously, if one took this option their Dust character would not be transferred to Legion.) I don't have a solution for Group 2. I really don't. A refund of money would be nice, but I very seriously doubt that's going to happen. And frankly, there's really nothing CCP can do to fully reconcile the situation with people who belong to Group 2.
Ryan Noir Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:42:00 - [20] - Quote The larger concern here is time-management of development resources. You essentially have a half finished game on a console that is being phased out, you have features worked out for said game, BUT you are implementing them on a new platform, and you have a community both in EVE and Dust who are tired of beta-testing. So here is how I see the issue, you have at least half (I assume) of Dust Devs working with project Legion. This presents a real problem in terms of development, Dust is already in a pretty rough state, it needs the features you are wanting to put on PC in order to maintain the player base. With that being said, Legion is still too early in the development stage to really offer an outlet for this game. So you have this span of time between now and Legion beta testing that Dust will receive minimal updates. This of course would not be acceptable in EVE, why do you expect it to be acceptable here? The public apology needs to happen...bottom line. One was issued in Incarna for CCP's lack of communication and connection to the eve community which resulted in features not wanted, only this resulted in pushing your players away via an improper way of communicating. The timing of the announcement is horrible, yes it took place when the most people could be reached at one time; however, it was at the end of the week, CCP would not be back to work until Monday thus leaving a good 2 days of waiting. Which brings us to problem three, Dust has been a working promise to EVE players since around what...2008? When it finally does get released, they are pissed that its only PS3 and Dust players are pissed that the last two years have effectively amounted to nothing but a waste of time. Thus Legion needs to be cautious in its beta phase and how long that last as well as the shape of the game entering it. I would suggest one thing however, instead of focusing on working legion into the PC, take that and apply it toward Dust, assure the PS3 community that you are committed to the product by ensuring you will strongly look into deploying this to PS4. Fix the issues with Dust first, Legion isn't in a deployment state yet, so no need to rush getting that work done. Keep at least a good 80% of the dust team working on Dust and not Legion, in between major updates you can work on Legion. There needs to be an assurance that you will continue to provide a huge majority of dust resources to working on that game not project legion. I think you will find that if you can solve some of these issues on Dust, you can develop Legion at an increased rate. What I think has happened is a lot of the sandbox type of features you were hoping to put on PS3 just aren't working well, so you have explored trying it on PC. However, you should take what you have learned from that and reapply it back to PS3/PS4. When you have given all of these features to Dust and solidified its future on PS4, you can then start to bleed off some dev resources toward Legion. Prioritizing is key, you need to focus on Dust and PS3/PS4 before moving on. Finally for the love of God, stop miss-communication. You ran a sell on boosters prior to fanfest, you ensured last year a 10 year road map for EVE and that Dust will join it but then was unclear this week, and you re-purposed a Dust keynote to talk about a PC game. All of these are a recipe for disaster.

Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 897	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:59:00 - [21] - Quote Kondor Pendragon wrote: I don't have a solution for Group 2. I really don't. A refund of money would be nice, but I very seriously doubt that's going to happen. And frankly, there's really nothing CCP can do to fully reconcile the situation with people who belong to Group 2. True, there's not much you can do to make up for screwing the pooch. But they should at least try, for heaven's sake!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8329	Posted - 2014.05.05 06:39:00 - [22] - Quote Kondor Pendragon wrote: Timothy Reaper wrote: Kondor Pendragon wrote: Almost everything I wanted to say. You saved me a lot of typing. I'm in the 3rd group too, but what about the 2nd? For whatever reason, CCP decided not to make good on their original promises, so a partial refund of the money they spent seems reasonable and would help patch things up with their angry customers. I know some are saying nothing short of a full refund and the sacrifice of CCP's firstborn will make things right, but be honest: you've never had plans that fell through? And you had at least a little fun while playing. Isn't that worth some money? (Obviously, if one took this option their Dust character would not be transferred to Legion.) I don't have a solution for Group 2. I really don't. A refund of money would be nice, but I very seriously doubt that's going to happen. And frankly, there's really nothing CCP can do to fully reconcile the situation with people who belong to Group 2. I agree. There are already a lot of console players out there that will never forgive CCP no matter what CCP does to appease them. CCP can even cut a check to every Dust player in the game and still these people in group 2 will not forgive CCP. The damage is done and we need to move on. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8334	Posted - 2014.05.05 06:47:00 - [23] - Quote Ryan Noir wrote: I would suggest one thing however, instead of focusing on working legion into the PC, take that and apply it toward Dust, assure the PS3 community that you are committed to the product by ensuring you will strongly look into deploying this to PS4. Fix the issues with Dust first, Legion isn't in a deployment state yet, so no need to rush getting that work done. Keep at least a good 80% of the dust team working on Dust and not Legion, in between major updates you can work on Legion. There needs to be an assurance that you will continue to provide a huge majority of dust resources to working on that game not project legion. I don't think I agree with this. Dust was already living on borrowed time the moment it because a PS3 game. The PS3 is about to become outmoded pretty damn soon and its hardware is just no longer enough to help Dust become the game we all once hoped it would become. Therefore to devote 80% of the team to a game that is already entering retirement is not the best use of resources in my opinion. Once Hilmar gives the green light, at the very least there needs to be about 50%-60% of the team working on Legion and then slowly growing to 80%-90% while downsizing the team for Dust over time. Besides, I have already decided to no longer play Dust on the PS3 as my character is now on cold storage waiting for the inevitable transfer to PC. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Kondor Pendragon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 43	Posted - 2014.05.05 07:05:00 - [24] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Ryan Noir wrote: I would suggest one thing however, instead of focusing on working legion into the PC, take that and apply it toward Dust, assure the PS3 community that you are committed to the product by ensuring you will strongly look into deploying this to PS4. Fix the issues with Dust first, Legion isn't in a deployment state yet, so no need to rush getting that work done. Keep at least a good 80% of the dust team working on Dust and not Legion, in between major updates you can work on Legion. There needs to be an assurance that you will continue to provide a huge majority of dust resources to working on that game not project legion. I don't think I agree with this. Dust was already living on borrowed time the moment it because a PS3 game. The PS3 is about to become outmoded pretty damn soon and its hardware is just no longer enough to help Dust become the game we all once hoped it would become. Therefore to devote 80% of the team to a game that is already entering retirement is not the best use of resources in my opinion. Once Hilmar gives the green light, at the very least there needs to be about 50%-60% of the team working on Legion and then slowly growing to 80%-90% while downsizing the team for Dust over time. Besides, I have already decided to no longer play Dust on the PS3 as my character is now on cold storage waiting for the inevitable transfer to PC. I would agree with this, as well. It's already been stated that pretty much the only work that will be done on DUST are bug fixes, maybe some balance issues, and mostly just keeping it running. In my opinion, as frustrated with this situation as I am, if and when Legion is given the go-ahead, only minimal staff should be put toward keeping DUST running. The rest of the effort should be focused on getting Legion created to the best of their ability and out the door as soon as possible. Don't put an unnecessary amount of staff on DUST duty when they already know they've condemned it. Instead, make the game that you were always trying to make as fast and with as much quality as possible. An official death date of DUST should be under consideration, as well. No need to drag it out. Of course, this is if they decide their course of action to be the complete and total replacement of DUST with Legion and to wipe it off the books.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 717	Posted - 2014.05.05 07:45:00 - [25] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: I'm done. This was the first MMO that I got involved in. I had played plenty of MMOs, I just played alone, because I was never interested in making virtual friends. It always seemed pointless to me. Without the aspect of being in a community leaving an MMO was always easy. I just quit playing. It was always very easy. With Dust I fell in. I talked to people, I made friends, I shared lots of laughs, and lots of games. I joined my first corp and migrated with players from that corp to another in my 2 year merc career. I was always on the fence about getting into EVE: Online but I never have the time for two obsessions. So I played Dust. Believed all the hype. Trusted the words of the staff about the plans for the future. Before Fanfest I started getting into the meta of Dust a bit. Loved talking trash and trying to route loyalties against DNS. It was a lot of fun. Couldn't wait for fanfest. Had the live stream qued up. (I watched as it happened.) I luckily I did not pay for the HD stream. I was so excited to hear news of PVE, the player market, new vehicles, PC fixes, all of it! I was pumped. Then the slap to the face. Jean Charles Gaudechon made a mockery of this entire community. Shrugged it off. Carried on his merry way. In all my years I have never seen an executive with so little care for his customer base. The backpedaling and promising that characters can eventually cross over can only be seen as more empty promises. It could also be seen as a knee jerk reaction to the backlash, that CCP admittedly knew was coming. It'll have to do for now, until all the bad publicity blows over...right? I have a gaming PC and I was thoroughly insulted. I felt bad for other players. Players that invested in a lot more than I did. Players that bought it all. Players that made fan Youtube videos, websites, charts and graphs and updated information more than the developers did. It was clear message to console gamers. "CCP does not want you here." This message will be gladly returned from the console community when Valkyrie comes to the PS4. Ultimately CCP through the mistreatment of their fans have shown me that being "involved" with a game is a terrible idea. I just feel sad that I wasted time with it. Thanks. Glad it was easy to shrug us off CCP. So congrats to CCP you helped create a gamer that will never buy a CCP product ever again and will gladly tell other consumers to avoid your products. ^^^ This really sums it all up into prospective . Words that are true to life . Great work . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 107	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:25:00 - [26] - Quote Kondor Pendragon wrote: ... 2. Character transfer needs to happen. Skill points, ISK and assets (meaning dropsuits, weapons, vehicles, etc.) need to be carried over to Legion, otherwise they feel their time was wasted. If skills or assets aren't applicable in Legion, the points for that skill should be refunded in terms of raw unallocated SP, and for the assets, should be returned in terms of ISK. Really, at least in my opinion, if this happens the players who transfer their characters should start with all of their SP unallocated and all of their assets returned to them in the form of ISK, allowing them to explore the new game's skills and items for the start of the new game for themselves. Without this, CCP's vision of New Eden as persistent, will be undermined.
TheGoebel Blue Solutions 115	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:32:00 - [27] - Quote I don't understand these arguments on how much manpower CCP needs to put on legion. As far I understand, and I say that because I could be wrong, dust had 100% of CCP shanghai on Dust. So 100% is dust, what's 80% for legion going to be? Oh god, now I'm filled with visions on how dust could be worse! Instead of working on hit detection they would make the mass driver and flaylock homing! To balance armor they would double hit points provided but increase the speed penalty 30/50/55. Railgun tanks would get a scope module. You know because their range was too long.
Kondor Pendragon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 49	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:41:00 - [28] - Quote Gyn Wallace wrote: Kondor Pendragon wrote: ... 2. Character transfer needs to happen. Skill points, ISK and assets (meaning dropsuits, weapons, vehicles, etc.) need to be carried over to Legion, otherwise they feel their time was wasted. If skills or assets aren't applicable in Legion, the points for that skill should be refunded in terms of raw unallocated SP, and for the assets, should be returned in terms of ISK. Really, at least in my opinion, if this happens the players who transfer their characters should start with all of their SP unallocated and all of their assets returned to them in the form of ISK, allowing them to explore the new game's skills and items for the start of the new game for themselves. Without this, CCP's vision of New Eden as persistent, will be undermined. Depends on the route they want to take with Legion. If they want to consider it to be a continuance of DUST, then your statement would be correct. If they want to just scrap DUST and start fresh, then there would be no need to transfer. However, it'd be a sign of good faith for CCP to be able to assure a character transfer and allow those that have given two years to the vision of DUST, and now Legion, to continue their progress from where they left off. And personally, I don't intend to start over from scratch for a game I've been investing time and effort in. I don't think I'll find myself playing Legion if I can't continue my progress from where I left off, since Legion is the game we were supposed to have with DUST.
Celus Ivara DUST University Ivy League 186	Posted - 2014.05.06 06:23:00 - [29] - Quote Great post, and I largely agree with your points, but a large caveat on #6. Kondor Pendragon wrote: ... 6. Legion needs to be released in full. No more "beta-testing" for the players. We've done it for two years now. I think we're ready for a full game. ... I agree completely the way Dust 514 was released, being pushed out to the wider public in such a fundamentally broken state, was very bad and should be avoided with Legion. That said though, CCP can't snap their fingers and have Legion appear in a 100% done state. It has to be developed; which means testing; which means beta-testers. And I'm personally fine being a part of that. I still believe in the dream of Dust/Legion and am happy to help make it happen. Of course, many people don't want to beta-test and I get that (I personally despise playing betas in most instances), and this kind of segues into something others have brought up which is a test server for Legion. Keeping the nastiest of the content away from the general player-base is basically a win-win for everyone. Again, great post! Rationality and civility is something we need more of (especially in rage moments such as this). :) Supporting Kevall Longstride, CEO of DUST University, for CPM1


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