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bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 688	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:05:00 - [1] - Quote You people are nothing better than fools if you think it was a wise move for CCP to pull itself out of the console market. How many millions of copies of Eve do they sell? How much did they make off Dust514? As far as I've seen, they don't even release that financial information to the public. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_Online Okay, so this says they had 500K subscribers in 2013. That's what, a million or two dollars a year? You guys know how Eve ISK made Dust ISK look like pocket change? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE CONSOLE INDUSTRY MAKES CCP LOOK. Nintendo made $68.5 million last year. Sony made $458 million. Microsoft and Apple's profits are in the billions, because the cell phone app market is rapidly overtaking the video game console industry. CCP doesn't even release its financial information. The highest you hear them dealing in is a couple million dollars. Pulling out of the console industry was a cowardly and foolish move that will be less profitable. PERIOD.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1251	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:07:00 - [2] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Okay, so this says they had 500K subscribers in 2013. That's what, a million or two dollars a year? What math did you use to come to that conclusion?
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 688	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:09:00 - [3] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: bamboo x wrote: Okay, so this says they had 500K subscribers in 2013. That's what, a million or two dollars a year? What math did you use to come to that conclusion? Oh yeah, you're right. Ten or twenty is what I meant to say.
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:11:00 - [4] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: bamboo x wrote: Okay, so this says they had 500K subscribers in 2013. That's what, a million or two dollars a year? What math did you use to come to that conclusion? Oh yeah, you're right. Ten or twenty is what I meant to say. What math did you use to come to that conclusion?
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 688	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:14:00 - [5] - Quote WhatWhat DJINN TheButt wrote: bamboo x wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: bamboo x wrote: Okay, so this says they had 500K subscribers in 2013. That's what, a million or two dollars a year? What math did you use to come to that conclusion? Oh yeah, you're right. Ten or twenty is what I meant to say. What math did you use to come to that conclusion? Shut the hell up troll. Seriously. THE MATH IS NONEXISTANT. THEY DO NOT RELEASE THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION.
Karl Koekwaus 217	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:14:00 - [6] - Quote bamboo x wrote: CCP doesn't even release its financial information. The highest you hear them dealing in is a couple million dollars. I bet you didn't even try to google it. As it's false, they do release a financial statement every year. Micheal Jackson died for my sins
Gaelon Thrace Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 349	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:16:00 - [7] - Quote 1. 500k subscribers x $15 per month = $90mil a year 2. Your comparing an indie game developer's annual income from one game to companies like Sony and Microsoft? Were you dropped on your head as a child?
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:18:00 - [8] - Quote bamboo x wrote: WhatWhat DJINN TheButt wrote: bamboo x wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: bamboo x wrote: Okay, so this says they had 500K subscribers in 2013. That's what, a million or two dollars a year? What math did you use to come to that conclusion? Oh yeah, you're right. Ten or twenty is what I meant to say. What math did you use to come to that conclusion? Shut the hell up troll. Seriously. THE MATH IS NONEXISTANT. THEY DO NOT RELEASE THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION. So you're pulling numbers out of your arse and then getting upset when people clarify that. You are a silly duck.
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 446	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:18:00 - [9] - Quote EvE Legion is the only way for the game to progress further.
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:18:00 - [10] - Quote Also, yeah, their financial statements are a thing.

Karl Koekwaus 217	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:19:00 - [11] - Quote bamboo x wrote: WhatWhat DJINN TheButt wrote: bamboo x wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: bamboo x wrote: Okay, so this says they had 500K subscribers in 2013. That's what, a million or two dollars a year? What math did you use to come to that conclusion? Oh yeah, you're right. Ten or twenty is what I meant to say. What math did you use to come to that conclusion? Shut the hell up troll. Seriously. THE MATH IS NONEXISTANT. THEY DO NOT RELEASE THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION. https://www.ccpgames.com/en/company/corporateinformation/financial-information https://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf Also I just noticed out of all companies you listed, the Pure console builders are the smallest. oops Micheal Jackson died for my sins
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 688	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:21:00 - [12] - Quote Jesus Christ. I guess they do make quite a bit off their little Eve game. But $70 million profit is still pocket change compared to the industry they're pulling their assets out from. If you're wondering why I'm comparing annual PROFIT (not income) of CCP to the console industry giants, then perhaps you need to take a 101 course in logic.
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:23:00 - [13] - Quote bamboo x wrote: If you're wondering why I'm comparing annual PROFIT (not income) of CCP to the console industry giants, then perhaps you need to take a 101 course in logic. You're not comparing shit. Your argument is "I HYPOTHESISE THAT CCP MAKES X MANY MILLIONS BUT THIS IS NOT AS MANY MILLIONS AS THESE X+POSITIVE_Y THINGS"
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:25:00 - [14] - Quote SO GMAIL HAS 425m USERS AND MAKES IDK, LETS SAY ONE DOLLAR FROM EACH OF THEM. WHY DO I EXPECT THEY MAKE A DOLLAR? IDK, I HAVEN'T DONE ANY RESEARCH. HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO OTHER MAIL PROVIDERS? LET'S SEE...
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:26:00 - [15] - Quote Asshat. Seriously.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 688	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:27:00 - [16] - Quote You people are seriously mentally challenged. I give up. I edited the first post for you, CCP fanboys. Have fun with it, I'll be back later to put you all in your intellectual places.
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:30:00 - [17] - Quote bamboo x wrote: You people are seriously mentally challenged. I give up. I ~~edited the first post for you~~ removed the evidence of that stupid flawed argument I lead with, CCP fanboys. Have fun with it, I'll be back later to put you all in your intellectual places.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 688	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:30:00 - [18] - Quote Karl Koekwaus wrote: Also I just noticed out of all companies you listed, Nintendo's profits are the smallest. Fixed. By no means is Nintendo small. And Sony started off as a TV and radio company, so the only "console purist" is Nintendo, seeing as uh, I don't know, maybe they invented it?
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:32:00 - [19] - Quote Arguments so far: CCP makes two million dollars a year. Source: Made this ish up [MYTH BUSTED] CCP does not release any financial information. Source: NOPE [MYTH BUSTED] Yeah, keep 'em coming, kiddo.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 688	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:33:00 - [20] - Quote WhatWhat DJINN TheButt wrote: bamboo x wrote: You people are seriously mentally challenged. I give up. I ~~edited the first post for you~~ removed the evidence of that stupid flawed argument I lead with, CCP fanboys. Have fun with it, I'll be back later to put you all in your intellectual places. Unless they plan on manufacturing their own line of PCs or other hardware, it's not a flawed argument. The point is they are pulling their assets out of the console industry and banking on the PC gaming one instead. In effect they are taking their company out of the hands of smaller corporations only to get swallowed up by the larger ones, Microsoft and Apple. The computer manufacturing giants. Please continue to awe me with your flawed logic.

medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 684	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:33:00 - [21] - Quote bamboo x wrote: WhatWhat DJINN TheButt wrote: bamboo x wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: bamboo x wrote: Okay, so this says they had 500K subscribers in 2013. That's what, a million or two dollars a year? What math did you use to come to that conclusion? Oh yeah, you're right. Ten or twenty is what I meant to say. What math did you use to come to that conclusion? Shut the hell up troll. Seriously. THE MATH IS NONEXISTANT. THEY DO NOT RELEASE THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION. He denied math? Burn the heretic! Burn him with lasers! On a more serious note, there are legitimate reasons for EVE: Legion; both financially and development wise. It sucks that a percentile of our player base won't be able to or just simply wont join us in Legion. But it sucks harder that Dust514 has failed to live up vision it was intended for. We came to this game drawn in by the plans CCP had for this game, but those plans were just too ambitious for the chosen platform. Legion has the potential to realize that vision we all bought into, give Legion a chance. Medium frame EHP is not medium
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:36:00 - [22] - Quote Paging doctors Dunning and Kruger to the thread.
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:38:00 - [23] - Quote bamboo x wrote: WhatWhat DJINN TheButt wrote: bamboo x wrote: You people are seriously mentally challenged. I give up. I ~~edited the first post for you~~ removed the evidence of that stupid flawed argument I lead with, CCP fanboys. Have fun with it, I'll be back later to put you all in your intellectual places. Unless they plan on manufacturing their own line of PCs or other hardware, it's not a flawed argument. The point is they are pulling their assets out of the console industry and banking on the PC gaming one instead. In effect they are taking their company out of the hands of smaller corporations only to get swallowed up by the larger ones, Microsoft and Apple. The computer manufacturing giants. Please continue to awe me with your flawed logic. Each time you are criticised you should change your argument and pretend that was your point all along.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 688	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:39:00 - [24] - Quote medomai grey wrote: On a more serious note, there are legitimate reasons for EVE: Legion; both financially and development wise. It sucks that a percentile of our player base won't be able to or just simply wont join us in Legion. But it sucks harder that Dust514 has failed to live up vision it was intended for. We came to this game drawn in by the plans CCP had for this game, but those plans were just too ambitious for the chosen platform. Legion has the potential to realize that vision we all bought into, give Legion a chance. Sure. I'll just waste over a thousand dollars on a gaming PC that I don't want, or have time for. I'll continue to let CCP feed off me like a parasite instead of focusing my energy on my own welfare. You neckbearded middle aged troglodytes can continue to waste your lives away in your mom's basement while we who aren't CCP's loyal servants actually have a life.
WhatWhat DJINN TheButt Ametat Security Amarr Empire 107	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:43:00 - [25] - Quote [Strawmanning intensifies]
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 575	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:45:00 - [26] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Karl Koekwaus wrote: Also I just noticed out of all companies you listed, Nintendo's profits are the smallest. Fixed. By no means is Nintendo small. And Sony started off as a TV and radio company, so the only "console purist" is Nintendo, seeing as uh, I don't know, maybe they invented it? also wrong. they invented the handheld console. not actual consoles. this is why nintendo's strongest prouduct has recently (last 30 years) been its handhelds.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 688	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:49:00 - [27] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: also wrong. they invented the handheld console. not actual consoles. this is why nintendo's strongest product was the NES which put Sega, Atari, and the competition in general out of business for a decade. Fixed.
Karl Koekwaus 219	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:51:00 - [28] - Quote bamboo x wrote: boba's fetta wrote: also wrong. they invented the handheld console. not actual consoles. this is why nintendo's strongest product was the NES which put Sega, Atari, and the competition in general out of business for a decade. Fixed. You fixed it wrong, Gameboy outsold NES by a large margin and even outsold the NES + SNES: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_million-selling_game_consoles plz stop, you're yourself look stupid Micheal Jackson died for my sins
Selene Machius Nos Nothi 2	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:54:00 - [29] - Quote bamboo x wrote: medomai grey wrote: On a more serious note, there are legitimate reasons for EVE: Legion; both financially and development wise. It sucks that a percentile of our player base won't be able to or just simply wont join us in Legion. But it sucks harder that Dust514 has failed to live up vision it was intended for. We came to this game drawn in by the plans CCP had for this game, but those plans were just too ambitious for the chosen platform. Legion has the potential to realize that vision we all bought into, give Legion a chance. Sure. I'll just waste over a thousand dollars on a gaming PC that I don't want, or have time for. I'll continue to let CCP feed off me like a parasite instead of focusing my energy on my own welfare. You neckbearded middle aged troglodytes can continue to waste your lives away in your mom's basement while we who aren't CCP's loyal servants actually have a life. >Over $1000 http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3Cgz0 Still better than any console released today, $504.37. You're welcome, buddy! Sener Machius, if he were to trust in rust. If you can see this, I probably used the wrong alt.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 688	Posted - 2014.05.04 11:56:00 - [30] - Quote Karl Koekwaus wrote: You fixed it wrong, Gameboy outsold NES by a large margin and even outsold the NES + SNES: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_million-selling_game_consoles plz stop, you're yourself look stupid best does not mean best selling. it means it was the best because of Mario Bros. You people are the stupid ones. I'm done with this bullshit. Peace.

Xaerael Walkeri Intara Direct Action Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:04:00 - [31] - Quote Are you on Meth or something? Being on console is exactly what killed Dust. Most console users have the attention span of a goldfish, and get distracted by anything new and shiny. Unification of platform is exactly what the Eve universe needs to fulfil it's "one world" dreams, otherwise it's just just a bunch of different games on different platforms with very loose and pointless ties that no one uses. e. also the maths is still wrong about the 500k users. A great deal of those accounts are paid for with plex, which are more expensive than regular subs to buy.
Karl Koekwaus 219	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:05:00 - [32] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Karl Koekwaus wrote: You fixed it wrong, Gameboy outsold NES by a large margin and even outsold the NES + SNES: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_million-selling_game_consoles plz stop, you're yourself look stupid best does not mean best selling. it means it was the best because of Mario Bros. You people are the stupid ones. I'm done with this bullshit. Peace. So you're now saying Products which have Mario are the best? Yes, you are saying that, wow. So we went from your OP, which stated that the best company was the one with the biggest revenue, to the one who had the most profits, to the one who has Mario. I think CCP did the right thing to ditch consoles if this is the kind of people they have to deal with on a daily basis. Micheal Jackson died for my sins
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 424	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:22:00 - [33] - Quote Yeah, Once they put the tip in this *** is already prego... I didn't think you publicly supported abortions. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1.** Original ROF needs to return!
Spark Kincade Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 24	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:26:00 - [34] - Quote The PC market generates more revenue than the entire console market combined, as reported by the DFC. The largest portion of that is from multiplayer F2P games, which are massive in Russia and China right now. There's a reason why this is PC focused, it's because that's where the money is for this type of game.
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1504	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:29:00 - [35] - Quote bamboo x wrote: WhatWhat DJINN TheButt wrote: bamboo x wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: bamboo x wrote: Okay, so this says they had 500K subscribers in 2013. That's what, a million or two dollars a year? What math did you use to come to that conclusion? Oh yeah, you're right. Ten or twenty is what I meant to say. What math did you use to come to that conclusion? Shut the hell up troll. Seriously. THE MATH IS NONEXISTANT. THEY DO NOT RELEASE THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION. actually u can pull ccp financial info go get it do the math come back and rant with facts. but i do agree with you in your thought that pulling out of the console market was a foolish choice..but there really is nothing they can do about it..you see because as we all know even though ccp might not put they're customers well being before a quick buck sony will..and i seriously doubt sony will ever take them back.. nintendo isnt stupid enough they are like sony. i dont see why they couldnt make it for ps4. as nice as the hardware abilities are in gaming pc's no fps is ever really great on pc because of hackers..so have fun with that legion will be a bigger joke than dust CCP= EA liars thieves
Spark Kincade Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 24	Posted - 2014.05.04 12:34:00 - [36] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: as nice as the hardware abilities are in gaming pc's no fps is ever really great on pc because of hackers..so have fun with that legion will be a bigger joke than dust Keep telling yourself that, maybe you'll sleep better at night. Plenty of great FPS like Red Orchestra 2, Natural Selection 2, CS:GO and TF2 operate on PC with negligible hackers, and they're 10x better than CoD games on consoles. Do you want to hear about a hack infested game? CoD4 on consoles is by far the worst I've ever played.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 688	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:24:00 - [37] - Quote Again, you're all just being ignorant and defending your butt buddy CCP, trying to insult me when you are the ones insulting yourselves by being WRONG. Mario Bros is still, TO THIS DAY, second only to Tetris (& Wii Sports, both Nintendo titles) as the best selling video game of all time and Minecraft doesn't ***** count because video gaming wasn't as popular back then and it only sold 9 million more than Mario Bros. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games I think I trust that a little more than your "PC games are getting more popular and will outsell ***** Nintendo now lolololol" garbage. You people are still NOT backing up your opinion that it's a good move for CCP to pull its assets out of the console market. All this shows me is that CCP are a bunch of lazy developers who are too afraid to expand their company and produce more games than just Eve and two spinoffs of Eve.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 690	Posted - 2014.05.04 14:52:00 - [38] - Quote Oh, and not to rub it in your faces... okay yes, this is to rub it in your faces: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PC_video_games Who Wants To Be A Millionare has sold more copies than Eve Online. That's just sad. inb4you'rewrongwikipediadidn'tputeveonthelist


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