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trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 690	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:15:00 - [1] - Quote short: EVE has character bazaar. Dust has free character creation spam (for starter ISK farming among other things) and lots of inactive legacy mercenaries gathering free SP. This will lead into SP inflation if SP is transferred to Legion, and character bazaar inflation for Legion SP when one account for New Eden becomes reality. IMHO skillpoints should be completely reset to zero for Legion to generate a fresh start for newcomers as well as alleviate transfer anomalies in the economy. discuss
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 4943	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:16:00 - [2] - Quote trollsroyce wrote: short: EVE has character bazaar. Dust has free character creation spam (for starter ISK farming among other things) and lots of inactive legacy mercenaries gathering free SP. This will lead into SP inflation if SP is transferred to Legion, and character bazaar inflation for Legion SP when one account for New Eden becomes reality. IMHO skillpoints should be completely reset to zero for Legion to generate a fresh start for newcomers as well as alleviate transfer anomalies in the economy. discuss And give up my 25 mil on this character among others? Why CCP? GöîGê¬GöÉ(Gùú_Gùó)GöîGê¬GöÉ ^ What CCP has basically done to the community.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4229	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:17:00 - [3] - Quote Sorry mate, but that's bollocks. Sure, why the f*ck not?
MINA Longstrike 726	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:20:00 - [4] - Quote trollsroyce wrote: short: EVE has character bazaar. Dust has free character creation spam (for starter ISK farming among other things) and lots of inactive legacy mercenaries gathering free SP. This will lead into SP inflation if SP is transferred to Legion, and character bazaar inflation for Legion SP when one account for New Eden becomes reality. IMHO skillpoints should be completely reset to zero for Legion to generate a fresh start for newcomers as well as alleviate transfer anomalies in the economy. discuss No, ** you. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 181	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:20:00 - [5] - Quote trollsroyce wrote: short: EVE has character bazaar. Dust has free character creation spam (for starter ISK farming among other things) and lots of inactive legacy mercenaries gathering free SP. This will lead into SP inflation if SP is transferred to Legion, and character bazaar inflation for Legion SP when one account for New Eden becomes reality. IMHO skillpoints should be completely reset to zero for Legion to generate a fresh start for newcomers as well as alleviate transfer anomalies in the economy. discuss Dude but my shotgun barrel in your mouth and discuss ! Join the March ,see the universe , meet interesting people and kill them G£¬ http://grimmarch.wix.com/grim-march-ver1
Megan Steel DUST BRASIL S.A Caps and Mercs 24	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:22:00 - [6] - Quote I want at least my Items transfered... The boosters I spent if there's going to be a fresh start
Kara Anschel Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 121	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:22:00 - [7] - Quote I'd be fine with a reset IF veteran accounts get a booster that lasts until they reach an equivalent SP level in Legion. Just slap a x2 or x3 booster on those verified accounts ( there are multiple ways to do this). This way everyone starts out fresh, but veterans will reach their previous level faster. This opens up late game quickly, but still leaves a level playing field.
trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 690	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:22:00 - [8] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: trollsroyce wrote: short: EVE has character bazaar. Dust has free character creation spam (for starter ISK farming among other things) and lots of inactive legacy mercenaries gathering free SP. This will lead into SP inflation if SP is transferred to Legion, and character bazaar inflation for Legion SP when one account for New Eden becomes reality. IMHO skillpoints should be completely reset to zero for Legion to generate a fresh start for newcomers as well as alleviate transfer anomalies in the economy. discuss And give up my 25 mil on this character among others? I'd personally rather start from scratch in a game that has a healthier potential to start off with, than carry the SP over into a new game to present a barrier of skillpoints for any potential newcomers who are eyeing a "new game" launching. Also, I'd rather dump the freeloading inactive mercenaries' SP to have a functional character bazaar than carry over my SP. After all, for the gameplay experience, SP does very little. It's just running and gunning whether you have the SP or not.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2542	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:23:00 - [9] - Quote trollsroyce wrote: short: EVE has character bazaar. Dust has free character creation spam (for starter ISK farming among other things) and lots of inactive legacy mercenaries gathering free SP. This will lead into SP inflation if SP is transferred to Legion, and character bazaar inflation for Legion SP when one account for New Eden becomes reality. IMHO skillpoints should be completely reset to zero for Legion to generate a fresh start for newcomers as well as alleviate transfer anomalies in the economy. discuss There is no such thing as SP inflation. SP is no currency. The only problem CCP has is how to convert the Dust SP to Legion SP so that it's fair. Resetting them to zero for all Dust chars is a no go. I spent a lot of money on boosters. On top of that all these SP events and events you capped out with boosters. Everything has to be taken into account when they transfer the Dust char to legion. So they can't just convert the time your character has existed. They need to convert the full SP your character actually has. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 690	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:25:00 - [10] - Quote Megan Steel wrote: I want at least my Items transfered... The boosters I spent if there's going to be a fresh start This I support. Not transferring items, but the AURUM. Also, I'd be surprised if CCP are not planning on an universal PLEX that can be used on all New Eden games. If this is the case, dust AUR could be possibly quite useful in the future and everyone who spent their cash on testing the game while it was on PS3 would get something more concrete in return.

WARxion ForDUST Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 30	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:25:00 - [11] - Quote trollsroyce wrote: short: EVE has character bazaar. Dust has free character creation spam (for starter ISK farming among other things) and lots of inactive legacy mercenaries gathering free SP. This will lead into SP inflation if SP is transferred to Legion, and character bazaar inflation for Legion SP when one account for New Eden becomes reality. IMHO skillpoints should be completely reset to zero for Legion to generate a fresh start for newcomers as well as alleviate transfer anomalies in the economy. discuss IMHO EVE, DUST (Legion), Valkyrie should be reset to zero for EVE United... right? 15 years of SP to zero. Ok.
trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 690	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:26:00 - [12] - Quote Kara Anschel wrote: I'd be fine with a reset IF veteran accounts get a booster that lasts until they reach an equivalent SP level in Legion. Just slap a x2 or x3 booster on those verified accounts ( there are multiple ways to do this). This way everyone starts out fresh, but veterans will reach their previous level faster. This opens up late game quickly, but still leaves a level playing field. This is a very good idea.
trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 690	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:27:00 - [13] - Quote WARxion ForDUST wrote: trollsroyce wrote: short: EVE has character bazaar. Dust has free character creation spam (for starter ISK farming among other things) and lots of inactive legacy mercenaries gathering free SP. This will lead into SP inflation if SP is transferred to Legion, and character bazaar inflation for Legion SP when one account for New Eden becomes reality. IMHO skillpoints should be completely reset to zero for Legion to generate a fresh start for newcomers as well as alleviate transfer anomalies in the economy. discuss IMHO EVE, DUST (Legion), Valkyrie should be reset to zero for EVE Unite... right? 15 years of SP to zero. Ok. Unlike Dust SP, EVE SP comes from paid training time. You could make an argument for resetting all but AURUM boosted extra SP.
trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 690	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:28:00 - [14] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: trollsroyce wrote: short: EVE has character bazaar. Dust has free character creation spam (for starter ISK farming among other things) and lots of inactive legacy mercenaries gathering free SP. This will lead into SP inflation if SP is transferred to Legion, and character bazaar inflation for Legion SP when one account for New Eden becomes reality. IMHO skillpoints should be completely reset to zero for Legion to generate a fresh start for newcomers as well as alleviate transfer anomalies in the economy. discuss There is no such thing as SP inflation. SP is no currency. The only problem CCP has is how to convert the Dust SP to Legion SP so that it's fair. Resetting them to zero for all Dust chars is a no go. I spent a lot of money on boosters. On top of that all these SP events and events you capped out with boosters. Everything has to be taken into account when they transfer the Dust char to legion. So they can't just convert the time your character has existed. They need to convert the full SP your character actually has. SP is currency in EVE and in New Eden through the character bazaar. The AURUM transfer would fix a lot of issues, maybe some memorabilia items that you were presented as gifts should be transferred too as a reward for testing the Legion "pre-alpha".
MINA Longstrike 726	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:31:00 - [15] - Quote trollsroyce wrote: WARxion ForDUST wrote: trollsroyce wrote: short: EVE has character bazaar. Dust has free character creation spam (for starter ISK farming among other things) and lots of inactive legacy mercenaries gathering free SP. This will lead into SP inflation if SP is transferred to Legion, and character bazaar inflation for Legion SP when one account for New Eden becomes reality. IMHO skillpoints should be completely reset to zero for Legion to generate a fresh start for newcomers as well as alleviate transfer anomalies in the economy. discuss IMHO EVE, DUST (Legion), Valkyrie should be reset to zero for EVE Unite... right? 15 years of SP to zero. Ok. Unlike Dust SP, EVE SP comes from paid training time. You could make an argument for resetting all but AURUM boosted extra SP. And our SP in dust comes from time played, just like it does in eve. You're creating a double standard and a false dichotomy. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 690	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:41:00 - [16] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: trollsroyce wrote: WARxion ForDUST wrote: trollsroyce wrote: short: EVE has character bazaar. Dust has free character creation spam (for starter ISK farming among other things) and lots of inactive legacy mercenaries gathering free SP. This will lead into SP inflation if SP is transferred to Legion, and character bazaar inflation for Legion SP when one account for New Eden becomes reality. IMHO skillpoints should be completely reset to zero for Legion to generate a fresh start for newcomers as well as alleviate transfer anomalies in the economy. discuss IMHO EVE, DUST (Legion), Valkyrie should be reset to zero for EVE Unite... right? 15 years of SP to zero. Ok. Unlike Dust SP, EVE SP comes from paid training time. You could make an argument for resetting all but AURUM boosted extra SP. And our SP in dust comes from time played, just like it does in eve. You're creating a double standard and a false dichotomy. The very real issue behind this is the abundance of free characters gathering passive SP. I personally have several "convenience" characters on multiple PSN accounts created for Dust and Dust only. These are all gathering free passive SP. Were they EVE characters gathering SP in the same future universe, I'd have to pay for each. For Dust I just fire and forget. Were they EVE characters I'd have to log in to set training. For Dust I just gather passively, never logging in after character creation until I feel it's ripe for usage. The people who are farming ISK by creating hundreds of new characters daily and transferring the starter money will be the people selling these passive trained alts from day one of Legion, if the free transfer happens. Now that I write it, it's not a world ending issue. Nevertheless it feels ugly.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1965	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:42:00 - [17] - Quote Why not simply unmake all of the assumedly abandoned inactive characters? Everyone who has been active on their character within X days of Legion's start date get to keep their AUR (assets still in their inventory and remaining AUR wallet balance) and SP (at bare minimum the amount that is directly attributed to Boosters). Also, for simplicity sake, define "active" as having been involved in X battles or accumulating X active SP. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 690	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:47:00 - [18] - Quote The solution I'd propose as of now without much though would be to: - Everyone is egligible of transfer - Names are reserved - AURUM is fully reimbursed and transferred - Memorabilia items from various tournaments and giftings are transferred - SP is not transferred - A player persistence gift SP system is implemented instead, with a little bit of gifted SP (e.g. 1 million SP for 3 months of measured Dust activity)
MINA Longstrike 727	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:50:00 - [19] - Quote trollsroyce wrote: The solution I'd propose as of now without much though would be to: - Everyone is egligible of transfer - Names are reserved - AURUM is fully reimbursed and transferred - Memorabilia items from various tournaments and giftings are transferred - SP is not transferred - A player persistence gift SP system is implemented instead, with a little bit of gifted SP (e.g. 1 million SP for 3 months of measured Dust activity) No, resetting progression only generates bad publicity. People who have played dust deserve to keep the SP they've earned. Though with a name like 'trollsroyce' I don't expect good ideas from you. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 692	Posted - 2014.05.03 20:59:00 - [20] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: trollsroyce wrote: The solution I'd propose as of now without much though would be to: - Everyone is egligible of transfer - Names are reserved - AURUM is fully reimbursed and transferred - Memorabilia items from various tournaments and giftings are transferred - SP is not transferred - A player persistence gift SP system is implemented instead, with a little bit of gifted SP (e.g. 1 million SP for 3 months of measured Dust activity) No, resetting progression only generates bad publicity. People who have played dust deserve to keep the SP they've earned. Though with a name like 'trollsroyce' I don't expect good ideas from you. The way I see progression in Dust is very different from how I see it in EVE. Dust economy is wholly tainted by the p2w item injection and can not be compatible with the EVE economy, which is based on player industry and the laws of the market. Dust skillpoint progression is tainted by the p2w skill booster system and uncompatible with how it is in EVE by the free passive training. Legion skillpoint progression would be completely different from EVE and unhealthy in comparison. This is why I think Dust progression should be shot to make way for a healthier system that fits in better with EVE and Valkyrie. You are absolutely right in that resetting progression is bad publicity. It is especially bad when the comparison point is EVE, where the whole sandbox is based on longevity of items and item value (through destructibility). Still, I see Legion as a chance to take Dust behind the barn and correct the errors of incompatible design. Dust is a console game, Legion is a brethren to EVE and should be completely re-designed with the same philosophy as the sandbox that worked.

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1967	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:16:00 - [21] - Quote I'd be fine with a 100% passive SP accumulation, if I started with my Booster SP. I supported Dust development through purchasing AUR for Boosters and BPOs, I at least want the SP I paid cash for. Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Hecarim Van Hohen 1304	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:22:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. Applicable, Legion might not even have SP like it exists in Dust 514 today "Now I am become Dev, the locker of threads." -CCP Logibro t¢«
trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 695	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:30:00 - [23] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. Applicable, Legion might not even have SP like it exists in Dust 514 today 1) good information 2) not having SP like it exists today is a very intriguing thought. SP is a source of multiple problems in Dust with limited player # in engagements, as the equal player with more SP is preferable unlike in EVE, where you can bring both. Headshotting SP would make the game much more competitive and it would bridge a severe player base separation gap. An year ago or so I suggested nerfing the SP impact to 1% stat bonus maximum per skill level, in order to alleviate the issue of SP dividing the playerbase. It might be time to fix SP once for all now that CCP gets a fresh start.
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 424	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:05:00 - [24] - Quote If there is not a 100% transfer including assets, ISK, and SP I will not be there in any form. All of the money I spent on this game was based on their now horribly broken promises. When getting my *** kicked I ran AUR equipment to keep building ISK so that I could get the things I wanted when the player market came around. I have run boosters off and on mostly for events. I have purchased packs just for blueprints. I bought the EVE Collectors Edition just for the blueprints. All of these actions were based on the premise of this being a long term game that would evolve at some point. Not even one year in for me (started May 15 2013) and the game is shot. I can not even imagine how pissed off the few beta players still around are. With that being said if we lose one thing in the transfer process I am done, that opinion is strictly because CCP currently have shown themselves to be 100% inconsiderate of the people that support them. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 AND THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. REPOST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
MINA Longstrike 728	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:30:00 - [25] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: If there is not a 100% transfer including assets, ISK, and SP I will not be there in any form. All of the money I spent on this game was based on their now horribly broken promises. When getting my * kicked I ran AUR equipment to keep building ISK so that I could get the things I wanted when the player market came around. I have run boosters off and on mostly for events. I have purchased packs just for blueprints. I bought the EVE Collectors Edition just for the blueprints. All of these actions were based on the premise of this being a long term game that would evolve at some point. Not even one year in for me (started May 15 2013) and the game is shot. I can not even imagine how pissed off the few beta players still around are. With that being said if we lose one thing in the transfer process I am done, that opinion is strictly because CCP currently have shown themselves to be 100% inconsiderate of the people that support them. I could care less about an isk transfer. But an AUR and SP transfer is a must Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
DRE PrEaCh Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 62	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:11:00 - [26] - Quote trollsroyce wrote: short: EVE has character bazaar. Dust has free character creation spam (for starter ISK farming among other things) and lots of inactive legacy mercenaries gathering free SP. This will lead into SP inflation if SP is transferred to Legion, and character bazaar inflation for Legion SP when one account for New Eden becomes reality. IMHO skillpoints should be completely reset to zero for Legion to generate a fresh start for newcomers as well as alleviate transfer anomalies in the economy. discuss I don't think you've spent a damn dime on this game, it's obvious. I'll agree, sure... gimme my ****** money back! I have enough boosters for a year, even so, what's the point of using them for a dead game? I spent money supporting a game that was supposed to last, where my hard work was supposed to eventually pay off! ONE MORE THING.. YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T SPEND EVERY WEEK SINCE YOUR FIRST DUST GAME CAPPING AND DEALING WITH STUPID BUGS, CUZ IF U DID, YOU WOULDN'T TAKE THE POSITION U JUST DID.. ,,\|,,
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 425	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:11:00 - [27] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: deezy dabest wrote: If there is not a 100% transfer including assets, ISK, and SP I will not be there in any form. All of the money I spent on this game was based on their now horribly broken promises. When getting my *** kicked I ran AUR equipment to keep building ISK so that I could get the things I wanted when the player market came around. I have run boosters off and on mostly for events. I have purchased packs just for blueprints. I bought the EVE Collectors Edition just for the blueprints. All of these actions were based on the premise of this being a long term game that would evolve at some point. Not even one year in for me (started May 15 2013) and the game is shot. I can not even imagine how pissed off the few beta players still around are. With that being said if we lose one thing in the transfer process I am done, that opinion is strictly because CCP currently have shown themselves to be 100% inconsiderate of the people that support them. I could care less about an isk transfer. But an AUR and SP transfer is a must I put in a lot of time and a lot of real money running AUR gear just to save ISK all under the notion that we would have P2P trading so it would matter. My wallet was just as important to me as my SP thanks to the failed promises CCP made. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 AND THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. REPOST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Warbot Titan X Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 53	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:15:00 - [28] - Quote WTF, is the OP on crack? I worked hard getting to where my character is at. So many long hours of dedication to this game. No way in hell. My scout trousers commands me!
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 4952	Posted - 2014.05.03 23:40:00 - [29] - Quote trollsroyce wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: trollsroyce wrote: short: EVE has character bazaar. Dust has free character creation spam (for starter ISK farming among other things) and lots of inactive legacy mercenaries gathering free SP. This will lead into SP inflation if SP is transferred to Legion, and character bazaar inflation for Legion SP when one account for New Eden becomes reality. IMHO skillpoints should be completely reset to zero for Legion to generate a fresh start for newcomers as well as alleviate transfer anomalies in the economy. discuss And give up my 25 mil on this character among others? I'd personally rather start from scratch in a game that has a healthier potential to start off with, than carry the SP over into a new game to present a barrier of skillpoints for any potential newcomers who are eyeing a "new game" launching. Also, I'd rather dump the freeloading inactive mercenaries' SP to have a functional character bazaar than carry over my SP. After all, for the gameplay experience, SP does very little. It's just running and gunning whether you have the SP or not. We'll, I Auvergne put a solid 15 months into this character so I'd rather have that not go to waste..... Why CCP? GöîGê¬GöÉ(Gùú_Gùó)GöîGê¬GöÉ ^ What CCP has basically done to the community.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2549	Posted - 2014.05.04 04:19:00 - [30] - Quote trollsroyce wrote: The solution I'd propose as of now without much though would be to: - Everyone is egligible of transfer - Names are reserved - AURUM is fully reimbursed and transferred - Memorabilia items from various tournaments and giftings are transferred - SP is not transferred - A player persistence gift SP system is implemented instead, with a little bit of gifted SP (e.g. 1 million SP for 3 months of measured Dust activity) - ISK is not transferred, neither are items, to allow potential for economic competition for the newly launching game and possible New Eden economy link - AURUM item purchase is removed to allow potential for competitive industry design without AURUM injected shooters Basically, a reset with rewards for previous activity, and coveted legacy items. Not enough. I paid for Boosters. Just some gift SP for my time in Dust wouldn't cut it. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!



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