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Csikszent Mihalyi
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:13:00 -
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Just wondering, since both of those are completely possible.
The PC version is the focus, but it sounds very much like CCP wants to create console versions if it turns out to be feasible. It's harder to port a PC game to consoles than the other way around (due to input control limitations) so the chances for this may not be spectacular, but given sufficient demand, I'm sure that CCP will look at this option very thoroughly.
As for char transfers, I do believe that they would love to do it, but it's going to be challenging since our accounts are all bound to PSN. At the very least though, I expect that CCP will find some way to reimburse and/or appease DUST mercs, otherwise they are not going to hear to end of this.
Don't get me wrong, dropping the news like that without having a satisfying answer to these two points is madness, and I don't understand how anybody at CCP could not have seen this reaction coming. Asking players to just stick with the product while it's essentially dead in the water, with no clear migration plans, is really too much to ask for.
I am just wondering how you all would feel about this development if CCP could present those answers.
My personal opinion is that it's probably the right plan. A couple of days ago, after trying to get back into the game again, I finally decided that I'm not going to put up with this, because frankly the game runs like shite on the PS3 (and also due to the lack of improvements over the last couple of releases, of course now I know why that is...). So for me, nothing much is lost and I'm mildly curious what will happen with Legion if/when it is released in a few years. The major mistakes CCP made in my eyes are the failed plan for DUST to begin with (arguably it started falling apart when the original engine had to be scrapped for UE), and of course the absolutely atrocious and insensitive handling of these news at fanfest so far.
I also hope that CCP will make Legion available for early beta testing ASAP, so that whoever is going to be left of the DUST playerbase is not going to be dead in the water for too long. Nobody is going to be fooled into thinking that DUST on PS3 still has a future after today's events. |
RYN0CER0S
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:14:00 -
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I'll be busy playing games from trusted developers.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:16:00 -
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I will only play Legion if it comes with a character transfer from DUST.
Otherwise, I'll just play games from companies that don't bait and switch their players.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:17:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I will only play Legion if it comes with a character transfer from DUST.
Otherwise, I'll just play games from companies that don't bait and switch their players.
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:17:00 -
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They told me big Dust 514 news would be on the agenda for Fanfest.
We got Legion news with nothing for Dust.
They can **** off at this rate. I have plenty of games to work on, and with Destiny filling this void, and awesome other games (Batman Arkham Knight, The Order 1886, Watch Dogs, etc) I'm not to worried. Only negative is a good majority of my gaming buddies don't have PS4s yet.
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Kaminoikari
DROID EXILES
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:18:00 -
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Sure, I'd play it, if everything I have on this character transfers and they show promise in it, otherwise I wouldn't. I don't like being Jew'd out of my monies. Nobody does.
Dropships need a buff. This way they can stop derping everywhere . ;_;
>Tfw no Amarr dropship and laser turrets
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Scoota Eu
GunFall Mobilization
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:18:00 -
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I think the reason that most are mad or upset is because the only information we've gotten regarding a char transfer(the only valuable thing about dust, your merc) is that it is impossible for some strange reason.
If they'd mentioned anything about dust characters and the future of dust with legion then everyone would be a lot less worried.
HELL I'm just annoyed that they literally said NOTHING about the future of Dust other than well, it doesn't have one.
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Games Haven
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:19:00 -
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If Legion had character transfer and PS4 version I would have no problems whatsoever.
In it's current state though, I can't play it.
May or may not be not the guy you might be thinking of.
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Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:20:00 -
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I have no faith in CCP anymore. They broke any trust I have so no, there is nothing they can do to get me to play one of their crap games anymore |
Krom Ganesh
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:20:00 -
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Perhaps in a few years assuming there is character progression transfer and they actually bother to make a complete game this time.
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Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:20:00 -
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Personally I could live without a character transfer. But no PS4 version could be a deal breaker for me. |
Vect-r
Vault of the Void
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:21:00 -
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I will if there is poontang.
Not liking DUST so much so far, but hey, its free.
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:21:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:
Don't get me wrong, dropping the news like that without having a satisfying answer to these two points is madness, and I don't understand how anybody at CCP could not have seen this reaction coming. Asking players to just stick with the product while it's essentially dead in the water, with no clear migration plans, is really too much to ask for.
Look at Incarna and the $60 monocles, people had the EXACT same question
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I also hope that CCP will make Legion available for early beta testing ASAP, so that whoever is going to be left of the DUST playerbase is not going to be dead in the water for too long. Nobody is going to be fooled into thinking that DUST on PS3 still has a future after today's events.
Legion is NOT a product yet. There is nothing to beta test yet. Hell, there's nothing to Alpha test yet. From what was said during fanfest, Legion has likely had LESS development done to it that Valkyrie has so far. |
bill the noon
G I A N T
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:22:00 -
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if they prioritize a ps4 release maybe. but if its going to be 1 year till pc release then another year till the ps4 forget it. |
Csikszent Mihalyi
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Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:22:00 -
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Scoota Eu wrote:I think the reason that most are mad or upset is because the only information we've gotten regarding a char transfer(the only valuable thing about dust, your merc) is that it is impossible for some strange reason.
If they'd mentioned anything about dust characters and the future of dust with legion then everyone would be a lot less worried.
HELL I'm just annoyed that they literally said NOTHING about the future of Dust other than well, it doesn't have one.
They mentioned technical and "policy" issues, so I assume that it will depend on them working something out with Sony. They might require special permission, if not even technical support from Sony to transfer all account data to their own systems.
Of course that should have been worked out earlier (perhaps before DUST was even released on PS3), but that's how I understand it now. |
Big Burns
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:22:00 -
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Buddy! Wake up. If they had that in mind...Dontcha think they would have said something before their playerbase collapses in under 2hrs.
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:24:00 -
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Character transfer is nott important to me.
Keeping the game on a Sony console is.
If we got it on the PS4, I would go to it.
Well not now, after 2 years of CCP I am quite fed up.
- I still dont know why they couldnt simply ported Dust to the PS4 and kept up the development of it.
FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
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RED-EYE -JEDI
G0DS AM0NG MEN
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:24:00 -
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Sete Clifton wrote:Personally I could live without a character transfer. But no PS4 version could be a deal breaker for me.
I totally agree with this dude ^
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:25:00 -
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PC with char transfer. But I wont spend money on it.
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:27:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I will only play Legion if it comes with a character transfer from DUST.
Otherwise, I'll just play games from companies that don't bait and switch their players.
Plus market, plus PVE, plus full racial everything that was on the concept sheet, plus customization of dropsuits
- With MTACS and Jets already in the game
CCP used up all of its political capital today.
I would never expect anything from them again; show me the stuff before I invest a dollar or an hour in their new game.
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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DozersMouse XIII
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:27:00 -
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yeah port legion to ps4
2 years before ps5 is on its way
Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes
Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake
Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
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crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:28:00 -
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No I wouldn't be, but how can there be a character transfer when they confirmed Dust will continue on and get it's own separate updates?
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Avallo Kantor
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:29:00 -
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Sete Clifton wrote:Personally I could live without a character transfer. But no PS4 version could be a deal breaker for me.
I'd rather have the character transfer over anything else. That's what's most important to me. Even if it's just a name and SP.
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Gregor stormwalker
Seraphim Auxiliaries
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:29:00 -
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I will play legion and continue to play dust IF character progression is transferred, I don't mind about a ps4 version I would prefer one but its not a deal baker for me, my time spent playing the game since the E3 beta key give away meaning nothing is
Dust to Legion migration needs to be confirmed
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:33:00 -
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If character progression moved on to PS4, what happened today would simply be an example of a PR snafu and a terrible roll out for the next iteration of the Dust 514 vision. I was hoping for an announcement of such and thought going PC and PS4 at the sametime would be the wise move. I know we have PC guys that wouldn't want to buy a PS4 for Dust but would play it on pC and I know we have some console guys who are only waiting for a Dust port to buy their PS4s.
Some of the most troubling comments came after the keynote, switching all of what we have asked for like PvE and more sandbox less lobby shooter is going only to the PC character progression yet to be determined and everyone else gets stuck with the Beta version we have now. That's ****** up.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2150763/meet-project-legion-the-epic-new-first-person-pc-shooter-from-eve-onlines-creators.html
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#~oD85Vv2Dx3JYZv
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Csikszent Mihalyi
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:33:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:No I wouldn't be, but how can there be a character transfer when they confirmed Dust will continue on and get it's own separate updates?
That should be the least of the problems really. Even if DUST keeps running past the release of Legion (which I highly doubt... player numbers are going to crumble from now on, and they weren't great to begin with), they could always just give players the option to move a character over. |
Csikszent Mihalyi
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:38:00 -
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Yes it's clear that DUST is all but canceled, but Legion can still happen on PS4. I imagine though that this time they want to wait until they actually have a successful product before they put resources into console ports. It's going to be easier to gauge success and demand with the PC version. |
SILENTSAM 69
SONS of LEGION
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:42:00 -
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Answer to the title:
No... |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:44:00 -
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To answer the question, yes, I would be quite satisfied if Dust was moved to the PS4, rebuilt and rebranded as Legion, and we had character transfer. I even suggested that very f*cking thing in several threads months ago.
Here's the problem with your question. It's such a simple answer that if CCP actually wanted to or planned to do it, they would have said that like 3 hours ago and calmed this whoie sh!tstorm down in an instant.
BUT THEY HAVEN'T.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:45:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I will only play Legion if it comes with a character transfer from DUST.
Otherwise, I'll just play games from companies that don't bait and switch their players.
Yeah, I mean it's not like any other companies ever release sequels / successors to previous games with no way to transfer progress to the new version...
Honestly, the worst thing about legion is the new progression system (seriously, how is this not getting complained about - for example, in its proposed form you will have to skill deeply into the logi skill tree just to use a mass driver at all, regardless of what class you play. WTF!?)
There will be some form of transfer from Dust to Legion - however a simple 1:1 transfer is not possible to due Legion's changes to items and progression.
There will in all likelihood be PS4 and / or XBONE versions either released concurrently or shortly after the PC version - the newest generation of consoles make it (relatively) easy to port games to and from PC, CCP is just starting with the more flexible platform first. Which while annoying for someone who generally hates playing FPS games on a PC, is probably the smartest way to go about it.
Additionally, Dust is not dead yet - many assets and systems developed for Legion will probably make their way into Dust. However, yes, odds are none of the bIg ticket items will make it.
That all being said, the way it was all announced was, in a word, awful. At the very least the keynote should have included reassurances that your progress in Dust will in some way, shape, or form make it into Legion - as well as some more immediate planes form Dust. |
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deezy dabest
Warpoint Sharx
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:50:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I will only play Legion if it comes with a character transfer from DUST.
Otherwise, I'll just play games from companies that don't bait and switch their players.
Yes.
I have a gaming PC here that will run Legion IF there is a transfer and even then they are not getting any more money. |
Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:51:00 -
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RYN0CER0S wrote:I'll be busy playing games from trusted developers.
FUCKCCP
Who wants some?
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.05.02 21:08:00 -
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Ryder - not sure it will happen on Xbox as MS like to keep their network closed so the EVE / Legion connection wouldnt happen.
PS4 really shouldnt be an issue.
I am just curious to see how long it takes for CCP to put out a client, how good it looks and what type of content it has.....oh and yeah, balance of suits, weaponry etc.
I still think CCP is better off finding a talented company to partner with and just be consultants.
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Ariadne Rayne
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.05.02 21:09:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I will only play Legion if it comes with a character transfer from DUST.
Otherwise, I'll just play games from companies that don't bait and switch their players.
My god you are BEYOND stupid. There was no bait and switch you idiot. This game FAILED, and they know it and they're moving to build something better. You cant' bait and switch something that's been live for almost two years. Grow a frakking brain. Dust will stay in development. |
Kane Fyea
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Posted - 2014.05.02 21:11:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:
I also hope that CCP will make Legion available for early beta testing ASAP, so that whoever is going to be left of the DUST playerbase is not going to be dead in the water for too long. Nobody is going to be fooled into thinking that DUST on PS3 still has a future after today's events.
Legion is NOT a product yet. There is nothing to beta test yet. Hell, there's nothing to Alpha test yet. From what was said during fanfest, Legion has likely had LESS development done to it that Valkyrie has so far.[/quote]
CCP have already said dust will not get anymore meaningful updates so therefor that means they are going 100% towards developing eve legion. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.05.02 21:18:00 -
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Ariadne Rayne wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I will only play Legion if it comes with a character transfer from DUST.
Otherwise, I'll just play games from companies that don't bait and switch their players. My god you are BEYOND stupid. There was no bait and switch you idiot. This game FAILED, and they know it and they're moving to build something better. You cant' bait and switch something that's been live for almost two years. Grow a frakking brain. Dust will stay in development.
You're the one who needs to grow a brain if you think continued development for DUST means a damn thing.
CCP is the company that promised a 10 year, laser focused gameplan, only to turn around and say "oops, our bad". Playing a game that has no future, one that was promised to have nothing but, makes YOU the fool.
Sitting here promoting AUR sales to your playerbase when you know the game has no future isn't exactly honest business practice.
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Banjo Robertson
Bullet Cluster
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.05.02 21:19:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:Just wondering, since both of those are completely possible.
The PC version is the focus, but it sounds very much like CCP wants to create console versions if it turns out to be feasible. It's harder to port a PC game to consoles than the other way around (due to input control limitations) so the chances for this may not be spectacular, but given sufficient demand, I'm sure that CCP will look at this option very thoroughly.
As for char transfers, I do believe that they would love to do it, but it's going to be challenging since our accounts are all bound to PSN. At the very least though, I expect that CCP will find some way to reimburse and/or appease DUST mercs, otherwise they are not going to hear to end of this.
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I won't be getting a PS4 for a very long time, I just got my PS3 last year so there's still a lot of games I want to play. I will play Legion on my PC, but if it comes out on PS4 before I'm good and ready to get a PS4, I won't buy a PS4 just for Legion/Dust. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
2016
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Posted - 2014.05.02 21:23:00 -
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No, of course i would not be upset.
It's the natural evolution of a cross gen game > no more PS3 > let's go on PS4.
The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes..
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Csikszent Mihalyi
Zumari Force Projection
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Posted - 2014.05.02 21:58:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:To answer the question, yes, I would be quite satisfied if Dust was moved to the PS4, rebuilt and rebranded as Legion, and we had character transfer. I even suggested that very f*cking thing in several threads months ago.
Here's the problem with your question. It's such a simple answer that if CCP actually wanted to or planned to do it, they would have said that like 3 hours ago and calmed this whoie sh!tstorm down in an instant.
BUT THEY HAVEN'T.
They have said pretty clearly that they would like character transfers to happen, they just don't know yet if it's possible. As for PS4, what we do know is that PC is going to be the priority and what they focus on for now, but they have left the door wide open to potential console versions.
The main reason for my question was to find out if people generally agree (or are at least okay) with the idea of moving forward by going back to the drawing board and reinventing DUST as a multi-platform title with a focus on the PC. From the responses so far, that seems to be the case by and large. So now the ball is in CCPs court to alleviate people's concerns ASAP. |
VonSpliff
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.02 23:24:00 -
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Legion has to be on ps4 with cross platform capabilities or it will lose the support that got them to this point. We Vet are the kick-start investors. (At this point if you paid for anything you are now a vet).
So CCP, next time I hear about Legion the words " PS4, cross platform, chr reimbursement / or transfer need to fallow after it.
Love this game even with the horror it's put me though, and updating the platform is needed just don't dry hump the console player that built it.
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