Yan Darn
Science For Death
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Posted - 2014.05.01 17:14:00 -
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"Because this is New Eden - HTFU noob"
Hey, the game that made New Eden removed Tiers when they realised that it presented pointless challenges for players and Devs alike.
"I worked hard for my Proto skillz - you just want to take them away cause you're jealous at my shiny proto gear"
A) I have proto gear and ISK to burn too.
B) you still get to have say - 25% weapon cost reduction and 25% heat build up reduction on your suit, the newbie unfortunately will not. However you won't have extra PG/CPU to spare and extra slots over that noob as well.
"So all that investing in CRs means nothing now"
First - you can still have 25% kick reduction and 25% less dispersion, 15% quicker reloads and 15% extra armour damage, compared to someone with no points in CR.
Second - most suggestions for tiercide involve removing dropsuits tiers only. The idea is, no piece of equipment should be just better in every way possible - that actually removes choice, since the more you progress the more Items you make redundant. Higher Tier weapons and mods have an immediate disadvantage - they use up way more PG/CPU.
"But if you're making everyone wear STD suits you can't fit that stuff cause they have fewer slots and PG/CPU..."
Well the new 'STD' will be similar to proto stats. And, this just points the obvious imbalance between proto-suits and STD. A proto CR costs something other than just more ISK, they cost more resources too. Suits offer more PG/CPU and slots for nothing other than ISK. On to fitting proto equipment - with relevant fitting skills maxed you could probably upgrade most equipment to around ADV - but yeah, if want you to fit that prototype weapon, you will probably have to decide what you want to downgrade elsewhere.
"So you're handing new players everything on a plate, whereas I had to work for it"
Even if this were true, we could say that about a lot of things. I could complain that new 1.8 scouts didn't have to go through the BS I had to for nearly a year (especially with DS command refund) - same with pre 1.7 Tankers. Things can change in New Eden, HTFU.
However, your SP (assuming you made smart investments) will still give you an advantage. Some people would argue having a gun that is roughly 10%-20% more effective in most respects, 20% more shields and armour, 50% greater passive scan range etc. is balance breaking already. Most tiercide supporters I've seen still want that kind of disparity and arguably more once we start talking about fitting higher tier mods and weapons.
"If you are that butthurt about NPE - pester CCP about tiered matchmaking"
Tiered matchmaking is only needed if tiers exist. Or put another way - why segregate the community if you don't need too?
In itself, nullifies the whole 'New Eden' feel if you are only ever pitted against someone as close to your level as possible. Don't let the tiercide haters try and convince you that we want perfect balance.
"Well you're still removing variety"
Sorry, please explain how me why I would use my Valor BPO, over my proto Gal scout? Does my standard scout do something my proto can't? I'm pretty sure having one suit that is better than another suit in every way possible is not variety - it is making things redundant - which is kinda the opposite of increasing variety btw.
"Well..but..."
Sorry I'm done for now. Come up with a genuine counter argument that addresses the points I've made and not some strawman and I'll maybe respond.
The Ghost of Bravo
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Yan Darn
Science For Death
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.05.02 06:19:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:Autoaim Bot514 wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:And every pro tiericide thread always opens by dismissing any anti-tiercide people and claiming they never make a valid point. When you refuse to ever listen to an opposing opinion any pro-tiercide argument you give is inherently flawed. Thats because NONE have provided any valid argument against it or anything to back up their ideas. Ok here is my valid argument then. Teircide is a disease that needs to be put down now before it gets out of hand. This game and the developers need to focus on more pressing matters such as PVE, player market and releasing the rest of the racial wepons (fan fest hopefully). Once those issue are out of the way they then need to look into increasing players in matches and working on improving the frame rate (if possible). Until then stop talking about this silly far far into the future Teircide nonsense and focus on the current issues that are immediately lacking. (Note I'm not against the idea but what I'm against is taking dev time away from more crucial areas the game needs right now).
I agree the introducing player markets and PVE needs to be done ASAP.
You don't think having to constantly try and balance things against 3 tiers of suits will slow down the implementation of any future features, modes, content etc.?
Sooner tiercide is introduced the sooner the Devs benefit from not having to balance what is essentially fluff/illusionary content.
The Ghost of Bravo
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