If you read the post it shows tiericide will reinforce the gap its it trying to address.

1. Tiericide doesn't fix the balancing issue in matches, it reinforces the gap between "rich and poor" so to speak via suit, modules, weapon bonuses afforded by SP. By restricting the suit one can wear, you aren't addressing any balancing issue but in fact cement it because even if a suit and outlook is exactly the same, the higher SP will win very gun battle given the same skill level due to his inherent bonuses.

2. By dividing matches into suits, it will take longer to find matches and it will lead to more pros vs joes, as the pros will just select the std suit type matches and tear the players up you should be trying to protect. But a suit tier system doesn't protect them, it highlights them which leads to abuse, stomps, unbalanced matches.

3. No AUR incentives, no reason to chase the next level when levels are limited.

4. Exploitation. Suit levels doesn't limit or balance greater than SP does. If you are limiting suits, skill will shine but experience and bonuses will shine more, so it doesn't help New Player A. It again, keeps the new player down and at a disadvantage.

4. I pointed out major issues with tiericide, i think the idea is garbage. I don't think any player should have a massive advantage over another, the more you balance the game upon skill the better. Making suit tier restrictions will limit the game greatly. SKILL SHOULD BE THE ADVANTAGE, not whether or not you have more SP and SP related advantages.

As a vet who only runs STD or sometimes ADV, I relish /loathe the idea of having an inexpensive basic suit with lots of slots to maximally leverage my fully completed Dropsuit Upgrades tab.

I suppose the downside is that under tiericide, i will have no choice but to be a protstomping d!ckhead.

I wonder how many other vets feel the same way.

Tiericide - i showed you the std Amarr sentinel suit maxed out with bonuses, thats 1100+ eHP with 15% projectile def and 10% hybrid defence added. I would like you to show me std builds without bonuses (like new players and rookies experience) that can effectively take out this sentinel without using an RE.

There is no way a scout is going to get close without being seen, plus there is no way to equip a cloak, so it's basically a walking 170 eHP frame. A sentinel + HMG takes a lot of SP to spec into to get to std fit, both are no reasonable nor affordable early. Commandos are a little easier to get into due to weapon being lower SP, but there's no bonus damage so taking down 1100+ eHP + resistance isn't easy. Now assault and Logi are left. Both are the more likely choice of the noob, both lack the mobility or the damage or the defense to be able to stand toe to toe.

Now this is how you spawn, arguing that a proto fitting is better than a std suit isn't an argument to disprove anything. Tiericide reinforces the disparity of vets to noobs. Shows vets where to find noobs, and provides massive advantages to vets based on SP bonuses. Just because you think tiericide prevents Proto vs std battles that it has to be the best answer is very flawed logic. The argument is invalid, weak, and narrow minded.

The goal is to keep vets away from noobs, tiericide doesn't accomplish that either. So you basically took one side of the argument because you think it offers the removal of Proto vs std suits, when there are better solutions that you've ignored in favor of a quick, terrible fix.

2. TIERICIDE IS TIER-GEAR MATCHMAKING. IT LIMITS THE SUIT ONE CAN USE IN A BATTLE TO CREATE A "CEILING". The idea is that if everyone has a ceiling no one has an advantage, this is untrue.

5. Vehicles do not follow the tier system, they are the exact same as the suit system. They have more slots, shields, armor etc at higher levels. As well their skill provide substantial bonuses.

Tiericide limits variety, I've clearly shown that. It is impossible for a new player to be a cloaked scout. Now disprove it. A BASIC M-1 frame is 115 CPU and 30 PG, a cloak is 160 CPU and 35 PG. Now without CPU and PG upgrades on the low slots its impossible to equip. Now with both CPU and PG std mods you are in the negative on CPU and have 3 PG. So try me. Show me how this basic frame without any SP can compete with a std match when that Amarr Sent is 1100+ eHP and wrecks faces.

WHY WOULD YOU DISREGARD ISK? Fix the broken PC rewarding huge ISK, yes, but ISK is the system.

What are you talking about?! Tiericide is limiting suits, you clearly do not understand. What incentives do you have, well there is no incentives for new players because they cannot fully use the suit (can't afford upgrades, bonuses, etc). There is no role playing, you can't be HMG heavy because you can't afford it early on, you can't be a cloaked scout so they do diverse roles are gone.

1. Dust 514 is a waiting game. Being impatient is how CCP makes money, you want something and can't get it so you buy AUR. Thats how CCP makes money. I've played 2 years and got 20m SP. Yea, its a slow pace game.

2. There is little reason to get another Logi suit, really the only one is required. Better to max equipment than to get a second suit if you wanted better times/output on your equipment. Diversify, get a scout, maybe get ads, have fun.

3. The current ISK situation is a problem, players have millions to billions and are constantly gaining more from a broken system, but say if you were matched against similar skilled players, and the ISK situation (which you exploited) was as intended, then running Proto gear wouldn't be an unlimited thing. It would be selective and a ISK dependant thing, like it was suppose to be.

You can't argue that because you exploited the ISK system that its broken completely, if it was as intended then Proto stompers would be matched against Proto stompers and not in situations whereby proto stompers are matched up against noobs and are not at risk of losing their 250k suits.

There is one thing a lot of people can't seem to comprehend, and it has been mention so many times and is so blatantly obvious that I don't know how you could miss it......

THIS ISN'T EVE GENIUS!

This is Dust514, if you think you can balance this game the exact same way you can balance EVE then you really should take a second look. EVE and Dust a two very different styles of games and need to be approached from different angles. And you never know, maybe it could work. But then how are CCP actually expanding there game making techniques, they would just be making two very similar games with the only difference being the style of combat.

What we need is a totally unique system compared to any other game, and we actually have that right now. So stop trying to compare this game to something it is not, and try coming up with new ideas.

Like you said yourself, if you want to see the teircide system you love so much, go play EVE!

Sincerely, Glantix / Snow

I am not saying that the difference between proto and standard is small, in fact quite the contrary. I'm saying that the jump towards proto is a large one, so new players can feel like they are closing the gap. I am not saying that we need an sp based matchmaking system, I am saying that an sp based matchmaking system would work better than tiercide. Honestly, I am against both you guys and Cotsy, I thin kthat the system works fine the way it is, to an extent. I feel that adding PVE would give a way for the new players to avoid the vets and slowly make their way towards vet level. Adding PVE would probably have some negative impacts on PVP initially, due to a large influx of players moving towards PVE at the beginning to try it out.

So to sum it up, I don't support anyone but myself, and PVE is the solution.

Sincerely, Glantix / Snow

But then my suit would look the same as everyone elses.... (that is literally my only gripe with tiercide).

You cannot tell me that getting a 5% bonus to something decent is more exciting than getting that 5% bonus as well as 1 or 2 more modules, maybe even an equipment. Everyone knows it is pretty boring when you unlock an advanced module, because it is only providing a small benefit and your suit isn't really changing.