DUST Search - Should 0 Shield 0 Armor Be Death?

Vulpes Dolosus wrote:

Clone D wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Awry Barux wrote:

Structure HP FTW!
I demand Damage Control II

Real Men Hull Tank..... Clone tank.....

Guys, I'm gonna have to come clean with you on this one: I don't know what either of you are talking about.

What do you mean to structure HP for the win?

What are you talking about when you say damage control? Brick tanking? Finding cover? Reputation?

What does Real Men Hull Tank Mean?

What is a Clone tank?

Thanks for explaining this because I am out of the loop.

You know how in dust you have armor and shield hp? Well in EvE, there's a third level called structure. Structure has no natural resistances (like shield to explosives and armor to laser), making it very weak. When your structure is depleted, even if you have shields or armor left, your ship goes "pop" (this typically doesn't happen because shield and armor are both depleted before structure, but it happens from time to time, though it might just be a glitch).

When people promote structure or "hull" tanking, it's usually in jest as it's a really bad idea compared to alternatives. Damage control is a popular mod in eve as it's easy to fit and grants a decent resistance bonus to shield, armor, and hull hp. "Clone tanking" is the Dust version that was just made up a few posts a head of you (you can't really clone tank).

Brick tanking refers to only stacking hp boosting mods (extenders and plates). Reputation is how people think of you (unless it means something else I'm unaware of).

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Clone D 369	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:04:00 - [1] - Quote On the death report screen, I often see that the merc who just killed me has 0 shield and 0 armor. Shouldn't they be dead, or do I need to do 1 more point of damage to them? .
MINA Longstrike 602	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:05:00 - [2] - Quote Clones have 10 hp. Also this game uses fractional stats, but rounds whenever they're displayed. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12899	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:06:00 - [3] - Quote You need to do a little more damage. Clones have a 10 HP 'health' value that you need to deplete to incapacitate them as well as their shield and armour. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Oh, forums
Clone D 369	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:07:00 - [4] - Quote Thanks .
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2354	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:07:00 - [5] - Quote Structure HP FTW! I demand Damage Control II Nerdier than thou
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9911	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:11:00 - [6] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Structure HP FTW! I demand Damage Control II Real Men Hull Tank..... Clone tank..... "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Clone D 370	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:15:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Structure HP FTW! I demand Damage Control II Real Men Hull Tank..... Clone tank..... Guys, I'm gonna have to come clean with you on this one: I don't know what either of you are talking about. What do you mean to structure HP for the win? What are you talking about when you say damage control? Brick tanking? Finding cover? Reputation? What does Real Men Hull Tank Mean? What is a Clone tank? Thanks for explaining this because I am out of the loop. .
SeargentSAVAGE SMARTCREW Canis Eliminatus Operatives 4	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:17:00 - [8] - Quote Think of it this way in real life it could take one shot to kill someone, that armor and shield is your protection, after being completely depleted you are completely vulnerable to death by that one shot
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1713	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:19:00 - [9] - Quote Damn...I've been here how long and I didn't know clones had 10 HP on their own? "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." http://royventus.tumblr.com
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2359	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:21:00 - [10] - Quote Clone D wrote: True Adamance wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Structure HP FTW! I demand Damage Control II Real Men Hull Tank..... Clone tank..... Guys, I'm gonna have to come clean with you on this one: I don't know what either of you are talking about. What do you mean to structure HP for the win? What are you talking about when you say damage control? Brick tanking? Finding cover? Reputation? What does Real Men Hull Tank Mean? What is a Clone tank? Thanks for explaining this because I am out of the loop. EVE references. Nerdier than thou

Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Lokun Listamenn 556	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:22:00 - [11] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Damn...I've been here how long and I didn't know clones had 10 HP on their own? https://i.imgflip.com/7bvq6.jpg I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1509	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:28:00 - [12] - Quote Clone D wrote: True Adamance wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Structure HP FTW! I demand Damage Control II Real Men Hull Tank..... Clone tank..... Guys, I'm gonna have to come clean with you on this one: I don't know what either of you are talking about. What do you mean to structure HP for the win? What are you talking about when you say damage control? Brick tanking? Finding cover? Reputation? What does Real Men Hull Tank Mean? What is a Clone tank? Thanks for explaining this because I am out of the loop. You know how in dust you have armor and shield hp? Well in EvE, there's a third level called structure. Structure has no natural resistances (like shield to explosives and armor to laser), making it very weak. When your structure is depleted, even if you have shields or armor left, your ship goes "pop" (this typically doesn't happen because shield and armor are both depleted before structure, but it happens from time to time, though it might just be a glitch). When people promote structure or "hull" tanking, it's usually in jest as it's a really bad idea compared to alternatives. Damage control is a popular mod in eve as it's easy to fit and grants a decent resistance bonus to shield, armor, and hull hp. "Clone tanking" is the Dust version that was just made up a few posts a head of you (you can't really clone tank). Brick tanking refers to only stacking hp boosting mods (extenders and plates). Reputation is how people think of you (unless it means something else I'm unaware of). Me in my ADS: 1,2
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1089	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:29:00 - [13] - Quote Clone D wrote: True Adamance wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Structure HP FTW! I demand Damage Control II Real Men Hull Tank..... Clone tank..... Guys, I'm gonna have to come clean with you on this one: I don't know what either of you are talking about. What do you mean to structure HP for the win? What are you talking about when you say damage control? Brick tanking? Finding cover? Reputation? What does Real Men Hull Tank Mean? What is a Clone tank? Thanks for explaining this because I am out of the loop. Its an ongoing joke in Eve. The hull/structure of your ship has a hp value that will be depleted after your shield and armour are gone. Hull tanking is not fitting shield or armour and flying into null-sec screaming 'come at me bro'. Clone tanking would be the same for Dust. Knowledge is power
RA Drahcir Inner.Hell 370	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:47:00 - [14] - Quote That is why sometimes you die with some Armor left over if you are being repped at the time.
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 585	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:53:00 - [15] - Quote The 0 / 0 is the result of rounding. All the value dispalyed as statistics of your suit are rounded values. The actual value is a repeating decimal or else carried out to several places. When you read 0 armor and are still walking you have less than .49 of a hitpoint left. EP 1.8: Revenge of the Scouts Hiding in the redline means: I want to play, just not with *you* +25 = I'm helping
MINA Longstrike 602	Posted - 2014.04.29 23:56:00 - [16] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Clone D wrote: True Adamance wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Structure HP FTW! I demand Damage Control II Real Men Hull Tank..... Clone tank..... Guys, I'm gonna have to come clean with you on this one: I don't know what either of you are talking about. What do you mean to structure HP for the win? What are you talking about when you say damage control? Brick tanking? Finding cover? Reputation? What does Real Men Hull Tank Mean? What is a Clone tank? Thanks for explaining this because I am out of the loop. You know how in dust you have armor and shield hp? Well in EvE, there's a third level called structure. Structure has no natural resistances (like shield to explosives and armor to laser), making it very weak. When your structure is depleted, even if you have shields or armor left, your ship goes "pop" (this typically doesn't happen because shield and armor are both depleted before structure, but it happens from time to time, though it might just be a glitch). When people promote structure or "hull" tanking, it's usually in jest as it's a really bad idea compared to alternatives. Damage control is a popular mod in eve as it's easy to fit and grants a decent resistance bonus to shield, armor, and hull hp. "Clone tanking" is the Dust version that was just made up a few posts a head of you (you can't really clone tank). Brick tanking refers to only stacking hp boosting mods (extenders and plates). Reputation is how people think of you (unless it means something else I'm unaware of). The thing is though, gallente ships have a LOT of structure, and there are modules that increase structure by huge amounts that fit into low slots, as well as damage controls flat increasing structure resists by 50-65%(iirc)... It's very risky, but I have seen people bait ganks with structure tanked dominixes, because enemies get really greedy for the kill once something is in structure. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Argent Mordred DUST University Ivy League 64	Posted - 2014.04.30 00:16:00 - [17] - Quote Clone D wrote: On the death report screen, I often see that the merc who just killed me has 0 shield and 0 armor. Shouldn't they be dead, or do I need to do 1 more point of damage to them? I have occasionally survived with 0 shield and 0 armor, but it is exceedingly rare, and if I do I am in one shape to do anything other than hid in cover and hope I survive long enough to rep and regen. Are you sure you didn't get hit by one of their last shots before dying? The kill information screen takes a second or two to come up and so a team mate could have killed him right as or right after you died. Plus with the rail rifle, and probably with the other infantry rifles, you can keep firing after death. When I have that happen I fire off 3-5 rounds after I die. Usually the first goes either a bit high or low and then the next 3 (or sometimes 4) go high at a really steep angle (and that's before the climb due to recoil is factored in) as your body falls to the ground. Are you sure that you both didn't hurt each other equally or that one of you killed the other and then was finished off with the other's dying shot?
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1033	Posted - 2014.04.30 00:36:00 - [18] - Quote It's really exhilarating to run around with 0 armor frantically looking for a logi, rep hive, or supply depot but yeah we should die. Dropships though should explode when they hit 0; it's ridiculous how many times I've flown 300+ meters to the red line supply depot in my python with 0 armor leaving a trail of fire and smoke the whole way. Support Orbital Spawns
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1691	Posted - 2014.04.30 01:20:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Structure HP FTW! I demand Damage Control II Real Men Hull Tank..... Clone tank..... "Yes! I don't need this stupid suit and helmet!" Takes off helmet and immediately starts choking on the carbon dioxide and nitrogen atmosphere *Immediately puts back on helmet" "Uhh on second thought I actually do need that..." "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 535	Posted - 2014.04.30 01:23:00 - [20] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: You need to do a little more damage. Clones have a 10 HP 'health' value that you need to deplete to incapacitate them as well as their shield and armour. Clones have 10 hp? hmm looks at melee stats, compares to clone hp Further hmmm I have an ego?! O.O The scales have fallen from my eyes.

pseudosnipre 701	Posted - 2014.04.30 01:23:00 - [21] - Quote IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote: The 0 / 0 is the result of rounding. All the value dispalyed as statistics of your suit are rounded values. The actual value is a repeating decimal or else carried out to several places. When you read 0 armor and are still walking you have less than .49 of a hitpoint left. What this nerd said. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you. BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML
Lynn Beck Wake N' Bake Inc Top Men. 1579	Posted - 2014.04.30 01:26:00 - [22] - Quote You're never truly at 0Hp. It's 99% o the time a fraction, such as .17 Hp. Also gallente scouts don't get 87 Shield HP. They get 86.5 HP. When your python flies away with 0 armor? Yeah that's a fraction of 1. Apparently though, it's possible to get hit while at 0 and survive, because 10 clone HP General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 840	Posted - 2014.04.30 02:08:00 - [23] - Quote Clone D wrote: On the death report screen, I often see that the merc who just killed me has 0 shield and 0 armor. Shouldn't they be dead, or do I need to do 1 more point of damage to them? Our clones have hp of 10 i believe. Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous *General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous* Who else thinks I'm Famous?
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1260	Posted - 2014.04.30 02:13:00 - [24] - Quote This again? Health is in floating point numbers 313.5 shield and 531.3 armor. It is displayed as an Integer, aka 313/513. When you see 0/0 they have 0.0/0.1 to 0.0/0.4 health. If they have armor repair they will survive. However, a paper cut at the right time would finish them off. Welcome to Dust. And so it goes.
Vordred Knight scratch my balls 121	Posted - 2014.04.30 02:20:00 - [25] - Quote when i get into a CQC and i win and have 0 shields and armor left YEEEAAAAAAH Holy Dance by True Adamance
TunRa Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 589	Posted - 2014.04.30 02:29:00 - [26] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: It's really exhilarating to run around with 0 armor frantically looking for a logi, rep hive, or supply depot but yeah we should die. Dropships though should explode when they hit 0; it's ridiculous how many times I've flown 300+ meters to the red line supply depot in my python with 0 armor leaving a trail of fire and smoke the whole way. We are human remember that, not just some armor shield robot. All the suit is is like body armor not some sort of living being. Thanks CCP Foxfour MAG vet: SVER
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1033	Posted - 2014.04.30 02:32:00 - [27] - Quote ive survived with o/o in a python before... but thats very rare to happen though In Rust We Trust Vherokior Warrior My Honor is for the Republic
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1512	Posted - 2014.04.30 02:36:00 - [28] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: The thing is though, gallente ships have a LOT of structure, and there are modules that increase structure by huge amounts that fit into low slots, as well as damage controls flat increasing structure resists by 50-65%(iirc)... It's very risky, but I have seen people bait ganks with structure tanked dominixes, because enemies get really greedy for the kill once something is in structure. I'm not too efficient when it comes to EvE warfare or lore, but I recall that the Gallente were supposedly going to be hull tankers early on. Don't quote me on it though. Me in my ADS: 1,2
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1691	Posted - 2014.04.30 02:51:00 - [29] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: ive survived with o/o in a python before... but thats very rare to happen though I actually remember the one time I managed to drive my Gunnlogi with 0 armor all the way back to our redline supply depot. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Operative 2511 Dajli True Companion Planetary Requisitions 74	Posted - 2014.04.30 04:00:00 - [30] - Quote Clone D wrote: True Adamance wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Structure HP FTW! I demand Damage Control II Real Men Hull Tank..... Clone tank..... Guys, I'm gonna have to come clean with you on this one: I don't know what either of you are talking about. What do you mean to structure HP for the win? What are you talking about when you say damage control? Brick tanking? Finding cover? Reputation? What does Real Men Hull Tank Mean? What is a Clone tank? Thanks for explaining this because I am out of the loop. Lololol. Ah, how much this game move EVE further qway rather than what was supposed to happen to move it closer. I said moving it to console was going to ruin it! Simply put hull is what we call one aspect of an all around better design for a game than this travesty. Lol, the ban hammer got me!

IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 587	Posted - 2014.04.30 04:13:00 - [31] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote: The 0 / 0 is the result of rounding. All the value dispalyed as statistics of your suit are rounded values. The actual value is a repeating decimal or else carried out to several places. When you read 0 armor and are still walking you have less than .49 of a hitpoint left. What this nerd said. Nice to see you too pseudo. EP 1.8: Revenge of the Scouts Hiding in the redline means: I want to play, just not with *you* +25 = I'm helping
ROCKO THE HELLHOUND Ultramarine Corp 44	Posted - 2014.04.30 05:08:00 - [32] - Quote aaaand asides from the numbers this software is working with, but just from pure logic out - it would make sense to just die when down to -1 armor - otherwise none of any people could be alive by a logic that says: "0 armor = dead"... .
MINA Longstrike 610	Posted - 2014.04.30 05:18:00 - [33] - Quote Arirana wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: You need to do a little more damage. Clones have a 10 HP 'health' value that you need to deplete to incapacitate them as well as their shield and armour. Clones have 10 hp? hmm looks at melee stats, compares to clone hp Further hmmm Clones are pretty heavily modified above human norm to be slightly more durable, and yes dropsuits are that good. Un-armored stuff like blasters and lasers kill people trying to wield them. Also to put it even further into perspective, a commando punches for 240 damage, if you got rid of the other factors a commando could kill 24 clones with one punch... or assuming 3-5 hp for civilians 48-80 in one punch... If you add 3 complex myofibrils you get up to just short of 700 damage in a punch. A commando suit put in a small room with a bunch of civilians would be able to paste everything even without weapons. Nova knives get even higher damage too. I'm honestly disappointed that a commando with 3 melee modules can't rip vehicles apart with their hands, generally just hulking out on them or ripping the doors off LAV's etc. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9130	Posted - 2014.04.30 05:23:00 - [34] - Quote Clones have 10HP as health. Vehicles have 50HP as "hull". If damage control units worked as they do in EVE, the HP values would be: Clone:25 Vehicle:125 Overlord of all humans CAT MERC


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