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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1431
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Posted - 2014.04.29 09:28:00 -
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One bit I'd like to say.
Don't become dependent on high ground, if you do, you'll be screwed on level ground (y'know, where you fight 70% of the time)
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1619
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Posted - 2014.04.29 12:48:00 -
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keno trader wrote:I just skilled into mass drivers as a proto scout as a sort of a dispersion tool, but I can't seem to get kills with it, even when it's a pure 1 on 1 and I have the upper hand....
My current tactics:
a) Flux (if possible), and then try to mass drive.
b) Submachine gun and mass drive.
Tips?
Use a Shield Based suit... Assault variant if possible
- Flux + MD
No need to use the Proto type... But get the prof. up to atleast level 4 |
ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
772
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Posted - 2014.04.29 12:58:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:keno trader wrote:C Saunders wrote:Na dont use the assault. The assault and breach are terrible. oh man...I know breach sucks for sure. But assault? Guess you just gotta try them and find the one for you. I'm crazy about the assault MD. 
Most assuredly. 30 assists in the span of 5 minutes with a couple of kills is a lot of fun. 
xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own...
So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4037
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:27:00 -
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The most important advice I can think of is not to fight one on one, but to help out all your teammates. It is a support weapon after all.
And this may sound a bit bizarre, but get killed by one a few times. Learn what it's like to have the fear when little bombs are going off all around you & it's hard to quite tell where they're coming from.
Protostompers f-ing hate the MD because it undermines some of their greatest assets: cover, teamwork, good aim and equipment camping.
If you pick a good spot to open fire from, you'll scatter them like roaches and pick up all the spare kills your team couldn't finish.
One last thing: don't underestimate that Sentinel splash resistance, it's no joke. You need to hit those fat f*cks right in the chest.
No.
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1495
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:28:00 -
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Stick to high ground where you can, even if it's just a small hill it helps a lot.
While it is a CQB weapon, that just means it's best used in tight places rather than out in the open, not up close. Keep your distance. If you do fight face to face, use your side arm (I suggest an SMG or MSMG) to whittle down their shields/armor and finish them off with an MD round.
You will be the king of kill-assists. Get used to it.
Its area-denial ability as amazing. You can stop whole squads in their tracks just from the sound of it alone. Don't be afraid to unload a whole mag down a hallway to stop people from entering. You won't kill everyone, but you can buy some time and weaken your enemies.
Heavies are very very difficult to kill. Proto Sents get -25 explosive damage on top of even armor based heavy's huge shield pool.
However, I commonly refer to mine as "Scout's Bane."
I like the assault MDs ROF and mag size but the basic type has more stopping power, both are viable so whatever works best for you.
Me in my ADS: 1,2
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Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2148
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:50:00 -
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I've found that the trick to taking out a well tanked suit with a mass driver is to be the one in control of the fight. Elevation is the most common method people use, but if the other guy hasn't seen you there is something you can use to your advantage - when he gets hit by the first round the damage indicator doesn't tell him where you are. If he's well tanked and figures out where you're at then you start breaking line of sight in a way that you can keep firing and getting him with the splash but he can't hit you.
I do carry flux nades but I only really use them if I'm trying to deal with enemies who are entrenched in cover. Out in the field I've found that if you try to cook a nade he'll spot you before you hit him. Better off to get the first strike in and make him panic.
I kill people one on one with the EX0 all the time. The main reason I fail to take people out is that I ran out of ammo. |
KatanaPT
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
711
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:52:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:Ah yes the MD.
Learn to use the ladder target correctly.
Never use ADS.
And ignore people saying its not a 1v1 weapon. It will obliterate most people 1v1 you just gotta know how.
Practice makes perfect. :)
True story. C always wins in a 1vs1 with his MD
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
2307
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Posted - 2014.04.29 14:35:00 -
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KatanaPT wrote:C Saunders wrote:Ah yes the MD.
Learn to use the ladder target correctly.
Never use ADS.
And ignore people saying its not a 1v1 weapon. It will obliterate most people 1v1 you just gotta know how.
Practice makes perfect. :) True story. C always wins in a 1vs1 with his MD
I mean, I'm not saying it's unusable 1v1, but saying you can win with it in 1v1 doesn't make it an ideal 1v1 weapon. I've soloed tons of people with nothing but a plasma cannon and a flaylock pistol. Heck I've purely melee'd people to death when I ran out of ammo for said plasma cannon. But that doesn't make it a good tactic. The point is, running around trying to get in MD vs Rifle straight up gunfights is a recipe for frustration.
Also, AMD best MD. That splash radius is simply too good- something like 7m base + the MD Ops bonus = huge, huge area denial.
Nerdier than thou
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C Saunders
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
918
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Posted - 2014.04.29 16:47:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:KatanaPT wrote:C Saunders wrote:Ah yes the MD.
Learn to use the ladder target correctly.
Never use ADS.
And ignore people saying its not a 1v1 weapon. It will obliterate most people 1v1 you just gotta know how.
Practice makes perfect. :) True story. C always wins in a 1vs1 with his MD Also, AMD best MD. That splash radius is simply too good- something like 7m base + the MD Ops bonus = huge, huge area denial.
No,no,no and no again.
Yes you have a nice big splash. Thats all you have though, the splash damage is crap on it. The regular mass driver has a decent splash and enough damage to be competitive.
The assault will net you a lot of assists but rarely any kills. Whereas the normal varient deals 110+ damage on splash as opposed to 70+ splash on the assault.
You get more rounds in the assault mass driver but that bonus is negated when you have Rapid reload 5.
If you can aim with the MD, (and I mean properly aim, getting the rounds at their feet.) then the assault will only hinder you.
// Fully Specced Mass Driver Expert // Proto Min Scout // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guard Director //
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IR Scifi
Knights of Eternal Darkness
League of Infamy
153
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:30:00 -
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I could see it being viable with the commando, but if you are doing that good with it you'd be better off running the exo as you said. The splash damage is better and the direct is MUCH better.
I'd like to get into the beach at some point but dispute having used the exo for ages I'm still not quite that good of shot with it. |
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lampwizard
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:31:00 -
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The problem with the amd is that it takes too long to kill anything. You're too vulnerable. At adv, after four seconds of continuous firing, the EXO will have done 600 splash damage and the EC3, 450. I guess the solution is to use the amd during large slow team battles. It won't save you during a heavy charge though.
Edit, just played a match with the EC3 and it's better than I gave it credit for. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
632
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Posted - 2014.04.29 20:05:00 -
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There seems to be alot of debate about EX0 v EC. Both are very good weapons. The best thing i can say about them is:
EX0- this is for a regular mass driver runner. If you are trying to use it as a primary weapon, this is the only viable option. I ran with a gallente logi, with no other weapons specced, for a VERY long time. This was my best friend. Its good all around for about every situation. That being said, i killed myself alot for lack of sidearm (you can only get lucky with melee soo many times.)
EC- this thing has monster burst-area-denial. If you want to pucker the bungholes of an entire squad in less than 2 secs, this is the weapon for you. This is not a 1v1 weapon, and is even more deadly to the user at close ranges. You will die alot trying to use it as a primary. I now run an Amarr logi and usually use a ScR as my primary, but with the sidearm slot, I have found myself pulling out the EC in those perfect circumstances. Also vastly improved by the commando (i only have it to Adv atm.)
Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
IMMORTAL REGIME
1378
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Posted - 2014.04.29 20:07:00 -
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Heavies nightmare, remember that their bonus to reduce splash damage is bugged.
Assassination is my thing.
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Big Burns
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
143
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Posted - 2014.04.29 20:15:00 -
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Are you connecting with the Flux? Hit detection? Don't use the retical, it's more of an acquired feel. Keep practicing, it will pay off. You should really ask someone like KA24DERT or Sinboto Simmons. Both are Masters of the Drive.
Possibly the best around.
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
1354
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Posted - 2014.04.29 20:41:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:
Protostompers f-ing hate the MD because it undermines some of their greatest assets: cover, teamwork, good aim and equipment camping.
Correction: protostompers hate the MD because if you get a kill, they've LOST THE SUIT. No pickup, because explosives.
So, any time you are getting stomped, switch to an all militia fit, with an MD on top.
pennies for you, $$$ for them. |
Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
2340
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:06:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:Awry Barux wrote:KatanaPT wrote:C Saunders wrote:Ah yes the MD.
Learn to use the ladder target correctly.
Never use ADS.
And ignore people saying its not a 1v1 weapon. It will obliterate most people 1v1 you just gotta know how.
Practice makes perfect. :) True story. C always wins in a 1vs1 with his MD Also, AMD best MD. That splash radius is simply too good- something like 7m base + the MD Ops bonus = huge, huge area denial. No,no,no and no again. Yes you have a nice big splash. Thats all you have though, the splash damage is crap on it. The regular mass driver has a decent splash and enough damage to be competitive. The assault will net you a lot of assists but rarely any kills. Whereas the normal varient deals 110+ damage on splash as opposed to 70+ splash on the assault. You get more rounds in the assault mass driver but that bonus is negated when you have Rapid reload 5. If you can aim with the MD, (and I mean properly aim, getting the rounds at their feet.) then the assault will only hinder you.
It's not a matter of aim, it's a matter of area denial. When you're trying to assault a position, you're not necessarily in a hurry- the point of the Assault MD is its supreme damage projection around corners. What you want to do with the Assault MD is to catch those people sitting back from the corner or deep behind cover at very low health trying to regen. I find I get more kills with the AMD using it in the correct situations- very few people back off far enough to escape AMD rounds, whereas most people will back off far enough to avoid normal MD rounds.
Yes, the MD is superior for direct fire, when you can see the enemy. But when you're trying to maximize your ability to snipe around corners and deny entire rooms, the AMD is vastly superior. Since the MD is outclassed as a direct-fire weapon by any of the normal bullet hoses, area denial is its true purpose. When you can be shooting at peoples' feet, you could be using a weapon with better DPS. The point of the mass driver is non-LOS DPS.
Nerdier than thou
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lampwizard
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2014.04.30 17:56:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:The point of the mass driver is non-LOS DPS.
You make a good argument. Do you think the regular version of the weapon is better in public matches? Lots of los to red there 
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
2405
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Posted - 2014.04.30 18:13:00 -
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lampwizard wrote:Awry Barux wrote:The point of the mass driver is non-LOS DPS. You make a good argument. Do you think the regular version of the weapon is better in public matches? Lots of los to red there
If you're trying to solo targets with just a mass driver, then yes, I'd absolutely use the regular mass driver.
Really though, for pub Mass Driving, I'm a huge fan of the Min Commando. I have an alt with Min Commando V, and it's just definitely the best suit for soloing with a mass driver. You can combine it with either the CR or ACR depending on your personal preference, and use the rifle until you force enemies to back off. When they try to run, you catch them with the AMD. It works brilliantly, especially if you can get ahold of some high ground or are fighting in a city.
Nerdier than thou
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