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bigolenuts Dirt Nap Squad. 586	Posted - 2014.04.28 19:56:00 - [1] - Quote I don't even get semi-serious on the boards, but while sitting here putting together my fantasy baseball LU for today, I had a thought. Scary right? Before you eye roll and TLDR hear/read me out. Not saying this would work, but here is an idea that may open the eyes of others and they can improve on this system. I will be using approximate numbers and this is off the hip so to speak, bu again, maybe someone can run with it and propose it in a way that it could work. This entire plan of course would be solely in the court of CCP as some mechanics would need to be changed, but it is their game, they should want it to work moreso than the players. Here we go" Baseball has tiered levels. A/AA/AA/Majors, correct? Why would that not work here? For purpose of this posting we call it, Bronze Division, Silver Division and the Gold Division. Bronze- entry level players, say 0- 7 million SP Silver- more advanced players, 7,000,001- 15 million SP Gold- your top end players, 15,000,001 and up Again, this numbers can be changed accordingly. A Corp must have 24 players, with "X" amount of activity weekly, downtime-downtime to count towards the Corps total SP. At this rate lets take a Bronze Division Corp. 24 members (are required minimum) times 7 million total SP for each player. This is 168 million SP total for the Corp. The total number is for the 24 minimum and they must have those players to participate in PC as a Corp. For arguments sake let say this Bronze Division Corp can have up to 48 players which will increase their total SP allowed. Now, this is where it gets tricky. When said Bronze Corp reaches the max SP allowed, they are given a 24 hour grace period to fix their roster, i.e., kick the higher end players (would be a few) or several of the lower SP players(would take many) therefore threatening their eligibility to continue in PC. This makes higher SP players available to the higher tier Corps removing them from "proto-stomping" the lower-end players. If they decide they are ready to move up, then give them 3 large clone packs(a reward for moving up.400 clones in the pack) and turn them loose. This would continue up to Gold. When you are in Gold there is no SP Cap. Number of members allowed is unlimited or set a limit. Let the community decide. If it were limited this would spread the player base out a bit for sure. There are no rules in place for the Gold Division as far as ringers go. In the Bronze Division say you can have upwards of 4 ringers, but they must be in an Alliance and have been a member for atleast 48 hours. Silver, can have upwards of 8 ringers but the 48 hours is still in effect. This would have to take place within the game itself as no group or person could ever regulate it. I'll come back and edit as I think of more. Just wanted to get the ground work laid while it was on my mind. I can delete it also if asked hahaha There is more, but I have to get back to baseball. Games start in 4 hours. "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 114	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:01:00 - [2] - Quote If the lower SP brackets players actually cared about PC. We've tainted the idea soo bad that most just don't give a **** about its participation. I hate baseball, but I do love your idea. I wish something like this could be set in place. Everytime we ask for some sort of matchmaking, CCP replies: not enough population. So before working on PC tiers, we need to focus on the NPE so we can have the numbers to do all this awesome stuff.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3544	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:03:00 - [3] - Quote I think there are ways to encourage participation from outside of elite groups without something so complicated. Changing up the timer mechanics is one example. Level 3 Forum Warrior
bigolenuts Dirt Nap Squad. 586	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:04:00 - [4] - Quote WhataguyTTU wrote: If the lower SP brackets players actually cared about PC. We've tainted the idea soo bad that most just don't give a **** about its participation. I hate baseball, but I do love your idea. I wish something like this could be set in place. Everytime we ask for some sort of matchmaking, CCP replies: not enough population. So before working on PC tiers, we need to focus on the NPE so we can have the numbers to do all this awesome stuff. Agreed Whataguy, but the main reason lower tier guys don't care is because they can't compete. I've asked and spoke with many new(er) guys and asked what they had planned. Usually the same answer, "would like to get into PC but all the good players are already in the best corps".That tells me they want in, just don't have an "in". That is just a rough draft, it definitely needs some work but it was on my mind. "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
bigolenuts Dirt Nap Squad. 586	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:07:00 - [5] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think there are ways to encourage participation from outside of elite groups without something so complicated. Changing up the timer mechanics is one example. Thor, wish I could agree but there are still new players joining this game. I played with 2 guys last night. One has been playing for 5 days and the other for almost 2 weeks. They had all kinds of questions about PC and proclaimed that is what they wanted to do. I let them know how bad it was though LOL...in the best possible way and how even when 16 good players that had 5 mil SP each they would be annihilated. They gasped when i told them my SP and I'm not even all that high. 40 million'ish. There has to be a tier of some sort. Match making is great for pubs and needs to be done. But for PC to survive outside of us 200 guys fighting each other, we have to get the lower SP guys involved. "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
WhataguyTTU 0uter.Heaven 114	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:10:00 - [6] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: WhataguyTTU wrote: If the lower SP brackets players actually cared about PC. We've tainted the idea soo bad that most just don't give a **** about its participation. I hate baseball, but I do love your idea. I wish something like this could be set in place. Everytime we ask for some sort of matchmaking, CCP replies: not enough population. So before working on PC tiers, we need to focus on the NPE so we can have the numbers to do all this awesome stuff. Agreed Whataguy, but the main reason lower tier guys don't care is because they can't compete. I've asked and spoke with many new(er) guys and asked what they had planned. Usually the same answer, "would like to get into PC but all the good players are already in the best corps".That tells me they want in, just don't have an "in". That is just a rough draft, it definitely needs some work but it was on my mind. Then I absolutely agree with low SP players participating in PCs. After taking a step back, what could appeal to the NPE? MORE CONTENT! What else is there to do other than pubs for these guys? If I could never PC, I'd be gone a long time ago. I just don't know who the best person to get on your knees for things like this to happen.
demens grimwulff Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 290	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:12:00 - [7] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think there are ways to encourage participation from outside of elite groups without something so complicated. Changing up the timer mechanics is one example. I agree with the timer mechanics... PC is, literally, the most boring game mode I have EVER seen in a video game... and I played WoW for a quite some time... Wait a day or two for a laggy skirmish...? Just give us corp battles... make the game fun... Take away PC or make it worth something. As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
Titus Stryker Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 301	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:14:00 - [8] - Quote interesting idea and something that I could definitely support...just not in PC. The purpose of PC in my opinion is to further the link between DUST and EVE, it is suppose to add meaning to the battles..."real consequences" and deepen the immersion into New Eden. However, I like your premise and think that it could be implemented if and when we get Battle Arenas. Battle Arenas will be the place for competitive corp matches, corp rankings, player ranking based on matches and not stats. Battle Arenas will add a lot to this game and your system of tiers for corps could be included...again, just not in PC. I stream DUST on YouTube
demens grimwulff Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 290	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:17:00 - [9] - Quote WhataguyTTU wrote: bigolenuts wrote: WhataguyTTU wrote: If the lower SP brackets players actually cared about PC. We've tainted the idea soo bad that most just don't give a **** about its participation. I hate baseball, but I do love your idea. I wish something like this could be set in place. Everytime we ask for some sort of matchmaking, CCP replies: not enough population. So before working on PC tiers, we need to focus on the NPE so we can have the numbers to do all this awesome stuff. Agreed Whataguy, but the main reason lower tier guys don't care is because they can't compete. I've asked and spoke with many new(er) guys and asked what they had planned. Usually the same answer, "would like to get into PC but all the good players are already in the best corps".That tells me they want in, just don't have an "in". That is just a rough draft, it definitely needs some work but it was on my mind. Then I absolutely agree with low SP players participating in PCs. After taking a step back, what could appeal to the NPE? MORE CONTENT! What else is there to do other than pubs for these guys? If I could never PC, I'd be gone a long time ago. I just don't know who the best person to get on your knees for things like this to happen. Bronze League - High Sec with no satellite for EvE support Silver League - Low Sec with a satellite for EvE support Gold League - Null Sec with a satellite for EvE support and with personal turret placements/NPC additions You could be locked out of all brackets BELOW your corporations ranking... So Gold can't attack Silver, and Silver can't attack Bronze, but Bronze could attack anyone and Silver can also attack Gold. Also, Gold is more valuable/meaningful in game, and bronze holds very little value... Also, this could be used to fix matchmaking... which is one of the HUGE downsides of this game AND probably hurts NPE the most. As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 69	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:28:00 - [10] - Quote Even better idea: Fantasy Mercenary League (The FML). We degrade the idea of team based competition and draft players in a fantasy baseball style competition where we compare players based on kills and war points. ISK prizes! We can spend hours comparing metrics and statistics, arguing about the merits of one players activity VS. The corporation they are in's likelihood to lock up VS. A players skills. Just think about it guys, FML has got to happen!

bigolenuts Dirt Nap Squad. 590	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:31:00 - [11] - Quote See, here we go, get the ball rolling guys. Not seen a bad idea yet. In the real world we use to call this "brain storming". Except it was at a Stripper Bar and we would be drunk. To add, I've not had a drank since that one time in Pattaya. He said his name was Susan. "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3544	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:55:00 - [12] - Quote Titus Stryker wrote: interesting idea and something that I could definitely support...just not in PC. The purpose of PC in my opinion is to further the link between DUST and EVE, it is suppose to add meaning to the battles..."real consequences" and deepen the immersion into New Eden. However, I like your premise and think that it could be implemented if and when we get Battle Arenas. Battle Arenas will be the place for competitive corp matches, corp rankings, player ranking based on matches and not stats. Battle Arenas will add a lot to this game and your system of tiers for corps could be included...again, just not in PC. Problem is that if they connect Dust to Eve any further with the numbers involved in PC you'll have Eve players freaking out about the situation. Goons buy DNS corps = game over Level 3 Forum Warrior
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3544	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:57:00 - [13] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think there are ways to encourage participation from outside of elite groups without something so complicated. Changing up the timer mechanics is one example. Thor, wish I could agree but there are still new players joining this game. I played with 2 guys last night. One has been playing for 5 days and the other for almost 2 weeks. They had all kinds of questions about PC and proclaimed that is what they wanted to do. I let them know how bad it was though LOL...in the best possible way and how even when 16 good players that had 5 mil SP each they would be annihilated. They gasped when i told them my SP and I'm not even all that high. 40 million'ish. There has to be a tier of some sort. Match making is great for pubs and needs to be done. But for PC to survive outside of us 200 guys fighting each other, we have to get the lower SP guys involved. But there are plenty of 20 and 30 million SP players that are unable to compete in the current environment. The biggest obstacle for that group of players are FC's. What I'm talking about doing would give FC's more reps. The number of battles would explode in comparison to what we have now. Level 3 Forum Warrior
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 469	Posted - 2014.04.28 20:59:00 - [14] - Quote Stiddlefaxq wrote: Even better idea: Fantasy Mercenary League (The FML). We degrade the idea of team based competition and draft players in a fantasy baseball style competition where we compare players based on kills and war points. ISK prizes! We can spend hours comparing metrics and statistics, arguing about the merits of one players activity VS. The corporation they are in's likelihood to lock up VS. A players skills. Just think about it guys, FML has got to happen! that is a great idea fishstixs you could make a game mode separate from PC while also improveing on PC mechanics. That way there is a place for all members of the community to play at a higher lvl then pubs. you could make a game mode were you build a team then deploy in a battle against another team and fight for isk or prizes. You could make a game mode for low SP players to were it is safe for them to learn the game making new players want to stay and someday being a competitor at a higher lvl. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge 118	Posted - 2014.04.28 21:16:00 - [15] - Quote I'm really interested in the idea, but I would rather have the individual player receive a rank. I don't know exactly how it would work, but it would be reminiscent of the "level" system that was deployed in the second installment of Metal Gear Online. CEO of Horizons' Edge mercenary division *My soul, your beats!* Enemy to many; equal to none.
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 835	Posted - 2014.04.28 21:33:00 - [16] - Quote I think this is reducing the freedom of players. Currently in eve if you have connections you can get in null sec ( null sec pvp being the highest form of pvp kinda like your suggested top group ) in under one day. If we were to implant the idea of ranks of competitive game-play it would restrict that. but If other forms of competitive game play were to come out besides then yes it would be just fine, because there would be more freedom to do stuff. Eve kinda already has this with null sec pvp corps, low sec pvp and high pvp corps, but the difference is that in these different security levels we can see different kinds of pvp. Like defending a pos in null. Also ASTROS 2014 WORLD SERIES!!!! lol Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous *General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous* Who else thinks I'm Famous?
demens grimwulff Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 291	Posted - 2014.04.28 21:40:00 - [17] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: I think this is reducing the freedom of players. Currently in eve if you have connections you can get in null sec ( null sec pvp being the highest form of pvp kinda like your suggested top group ) in under one day. If we were to implant the idea of ranks of competitive game-play it would restrict that. but If other forms of competitive game play were to come out besides then yes it would be just fine, because there would be more freedom to do stuff. Eve kinda already has this with null sec pvp corps, low sec pvp and high pvp corps, but the difference is that in these different security levels we can see different kinds of pvp. Like defending a pos in null. Also ASTROS 2014 WORLD SERIES!!!! lol Houston has always had horrible sports teams... ignoring the two years the Rockets won, WNBA, and the Houston Aeros in one year... our teams have ALWAYS been terrible. So... based on your post... PC is currently capable of being broken into by first day players? Feel like making an alt and trying? EvE can't be compared to Dust because in EvE, you can have a nice sized ganking crew backing you up... in Dust, it is only 16v16. We know when the attack is coming and can guarantee that we have the people on for it. In EvE, you don't know when, and likelihood a first day is flying solo in null... yea, your point, 100% invalid. As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 835	Posted - 2014.04.28 21:46:00 - [18] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: I think this is reducing the freedom of players. Currently in eve if you have connections you can get in null sec ( null sec pvp being the highest form of pvp kinda like your suggested top group ) in under one day. If we were to implant the idea of ranks of competitive game-play it would restrict that. but If other forms of competitive game play were to come out besides then yes it would be just fine, because there would be more freedom to do stuff. Eve kinda already has this with null sec pvp corps, low sec pvp and high pvp corps, but the difference is that in these different security levels we can see different kinds of pvp. Like defending a pos in null. Also ASTROS 2014 WORLD SERIES!!!! lol Houston has always had horrible sports teams... ignoring the two years the Rockets won, WNBA, and the Houston Aeros in one year... our teams have ALWAYS been terrible. So... based on your post... PC is currently capable of being broken into by first day players? Feel like making an alt and trying? EvE can't be compared to Dust because in EvE, you can have a nice sized ganking crew backing you up... in Dust, it is only 16v16. We know when the attack is coming and can guarantee that we have the people on for it. In EvE, you don't know when, and likelihood a first day is flying solo in null... yea, your point, 100% invalid. I flew in null on my first day due to connections from dust. Also I am saying it is reducing the freedom of players. I am not talking about the likely hood of a new player taking a district. If we were to separate corps into ranks it would reduce the freedom that ccp is trying to build this game and eve around. You just dodged my whole point by saying something was impossible, I am talking about the concept. Also Rockets 1994,1995 NBA champions Houston Oilers in the 80's went to the AFC championship 3 time in a a row ( lol to loose to buffalo 3 times in a row ), late 90's to 2005 astros were great. Screwston, Texas Homeboy! lol Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous *General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous* Who else thinks I'm Famous?
demens grimwulff Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 291	Posted - 2014.04.28 21:49:00 - [19] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: demens grimwulff wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: I think this is reducing the freedom of players. Currently in eve if you have connections you can get in null sec ( null sec pvp being the highest form of pvp kinda like your suggested top group ) in under one day. If we were to implant the idea of ranks of competitive game-play it would restrict that. but If other forms of competitive game play were to come out besides then yes it would be just fine, because there would be more freedom to do stuff. Eve kinda already has this with null sec pvp corps, low sec pvp and high pvp corps, but the difference is that in these different security levels we can see different kinds of pvp. Like defending a pos in null. Also ASTROS 2014 WORLD SERIES!!!! lol Houston has always had horrible sports teams... ignoring the two years the Rockets won, WNBA, and the Houston Aeros in one year... our teams have ALWAYS been terrible. So... based on your post... PC is currently capable of being broken into by first day players? Feel like making an alt and trying? EvE can't be compared to Dust because in EvE, you can have a nice sized ganking crew backing you up... in Dust, it is only 16v16. We know when the attack is coming and can guarantee that we have the people on for it. In EvE, you don't know when, and likelihood a first day is flying solo in null... yea, your point, 100% invalid. I flew in null on my first day due to connections from dust. Also I am saying it is reducing the freedom of players. I am not talking about the likely hood of a new player taking a district. If we were to separate corps into ranks it would reduce the freedom that ccp is trying to build this game and eve around. You just dodged my whole point by saying something was impossible, I am talking about the concept. Also Rockets 1994,1995 NBA champions Houston Oilers in the 80's went to the AFC championship 3 time in a a row ( lol to loose to buffalo 3 times in a row ), late 90's to 2005 astros were great. Screwston, Texas Homeboy! lol I said ignore the two rockets years. Oilers were always gar-bage. They had some good years, but got stomped by Buffalo. Astros had a good team, but never clicked on a pro level to win anything besides banners. What side are you? I live in the Clear Lake/Webster area. As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 835	Posted - 2014.04.28 22:01:00 - [20] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: demens grimwulff wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: I think this is reducing the freedom of players. Currently in eve if you have connections you can get in null sec ( null sec pvp being the highest form of pvp kinda like your suggested top group ) in under one day. If we were to implant the idea of ranks of competitive game-play it would restrict that. but If other forms of competitive game play were to come out besides then yes it would be just fine, because there would be more freedom to do stuff. Eve kinda already has this with null sec pvp corps, low sec pvp and high pvp corps, but the difference is that in these different security levels we can see different kinds of pvp. Like defending a pos in null. Also ASTROS 2014 WORLD SERIES!!!! lol Houston has always had horrible sports teams... ignoring the two years the Rockets won, WNBA, and the Houston Aeros in one year... our teams have ALWAYS been terrible. So... based on your post... PC is currently capable of being broken into by first day players? Feel like making an alt and trying? EvE can't be compared to Dust because in EvE, you can have a nice sized ganking crew backing you up... in Dust, it is only 16v16. We know when the attack is coming and can guarantee that we have the people on for it. In EvE, you don't know when, and likelihood a first day is flying solo in null... yea, your point, 100% invalid. I flew in null on my first day due to connections from dust. Also I am saying it is reducing the freedom of players. I am not talking about the likely hood of a new player taking a district. If we were to separate corps into ranks it would reduce the freedom that ccp is trying to build this game and eve around. You just dodged my whole point by saying something was impossible, I am talking about the concept. Also Rockets 1994,1995 NBA champions Houston Oilers in the 80's went to the AFC championship 3 time in a a row ( lol to loose to buffalo 3 times in a row ), late 90's to 2005 astros were great. Screwston, Texas Homeboy! lol I said ignore the two rockets years. Oilers were always gar-bage. They had some good years, but got stomped by Buffalo. Astros had a good team, but never clicked on a pro level to win anything besides banners. What side are you? I live in the Clear Lake/Webster area. Katy area I wonder how many people in Houston play Dust! I always wished CCP could bring some kind of fan fest here. Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous *General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous* Who else thinks I'm Famous?

bigolenuts Dirt Nap Squad. 593	Posted - 2014.04.28 22:22:00 - [21] - Quote You're not reducing the freedom of the players. you are actually increasing it if anything else. You are allowing the smaller/staring people/corps a place to grow and learn the mechanics. As SP grows as you go up in levels. Because you are a new player doesn't mean you will stay in Bronze the entire time. "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 958	Posted - 2014.04.28 22:39:00 - [22] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: demens grimwulff wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: [quote=demens grimwulff][quote=21yrOld Knight] Houston has always had horrible sports teams... ignoring the two years the Rockets won, WNBA, and the Houston Aeros in one year... our teams have ALWAYS been terrible. So... based on your post... PC is currently capable of being broken into by first day players? Feel like making an alt and trying? EvE can't be compared to Dust because in EvE, you can have a nice sized ganking crew backing you up... in Dust, it is only 16v16. We . What side are you? I live in the Clear Lake/Webster area. Katy area I wonder how many people in Houston play Dust! I always wished CCP could bring some kind of fan fest here. Small world. My dad lives in Sugarland and I'm from the Bay City area. I live a few timezones away from that area but enjoy heading back to Texas when I can. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
bigolenuts Dirt Nap Squad. 593	Posted - 2014.04.28 23:10:00 - [23] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: demens grimwulff wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: demens grimwulff wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: I think this is reducing the freedom of players. Currently in eve if you have connections you can get in null sec ( null sec pvp being the highest form of pvp kinda like your suggested top group ) in under one day. If we were to implant the idea of ranks of competitive game-play it would restrict that. but If other forms of competitive game play were to come out besides then yes it would be just fine, because there would be more freedom to do stuff. Eve kinda already has this with null sec pvp corps, low sec pvp and high pvp corps, but the difference is that in these different security levels we can see different kinds of pvp. Like defending a pos in null. Also ASTROS 2014 WORLD SERIES!!!! lol Houston has always had horrible sports teams... ignoring the two years the Rockets won, WNBA, and the Houston Aeros in one year... our teams have ALWAYS been terrible. So... based on your post... PC is currently capable of being broken into by first day players? Feel like making an alt and trying? EvE can't be compared to Dust because in EvE, you can have a nice sized ganking crew backing you up... in Dust, it is only 16v16. We know when the attack is coming and can guarantee that we have the people on for it. In EvE, you don't know when, and likelihood a first day is flying solo in null... yea, your point, 100% invalid. I flew in null on my first day due to connections from dust. Also I am saying it is reducing the freedom of players. I am not talking about the likely hood of a new player taking a district. If we were to separate corps into ranks it would reduce the freedom that ccp is trying to build this game and eve around. You just dodged my whole point by saying something was impossible, I am talking about the concept. Also Rockets 1994,1995 NBA champions Houston Oilers in the 80's went to the AFC championship 3 time in a a row ( lol to loose to buffalo 3 times in a row ), late 90's to 2005 astros were great. Screwston, Texas Homeboy! lol I said ignore the two rockets years. Oilers were always gar-bage. They had some good years, but got stomped by Buffalo. Astros had a good team, but never clicked on a pro level to win anything besides banners. What side are you? I live in the Clear Lake/Webster area. Katy area I wonder how many people in Houston play Dust! I always wished CCP could bring some kind of fan fest here. They could have the even at Guns Point Mall. Very fitting. "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
demens grimwulff Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 291	Posted - 2014.04.28 23:23:00 - [24] - Quote Never bring up Guns Point... God that place... As the archeology of our thought easily shows, man is an invention of recent date. And one perhaps nearing its end
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 835	Posted - 2014.04.28 23:56:00 - [25] - Quote demens grimwulff wrote: Never bring up Guns Point... God that place... I love how they opened a flee market in the mall. Such a bad place. lol Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous *General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous* Who else thinks I'm Famous?
superjoe360x D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 237	Posted - 2014.05.01 13:13:00 - [26] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: WhataguyTTU wrote: If the lower SP brackets players actually cared about PC. We've tainted the idea soo bad that most just don't give a ** about its participation. I hate baseball, but I do love your idea. I wish something like this could be set in place. Everytime we ask for some sort of matchmaking, CCP replies: not enough population. So before working on PC tiers, we need to focus on the NPE so we can have the numbers to do all this awesome stuff. Agreed Whataguy, but the main reason lower tier guys don't care is because they can't compete. I've asked and spoke with many new(er) guys and asked what they had planned. Usually the same answer, "would like to get into PC but all the good players are already in the best corps".That tells me they want in, just don't have an "in". That is just a rough draft, it definitely needs some work but it was on my mind. Technically all this could mostly be fixed if all the good players actually care about having good fights and not bluing up with each other. Lets just say 25 percent of the good players are not in DNS and the other 75 percent are. So unless other corps outside DNS have lets say every good top tier player on at the same time then we don't stand a chance at beating DNS. DNS has a large and deep talent pool to pull from at any given moment they can field 16 good players. Its kinda like having a high school football team that has 2,000 students at the school vs a team that has 500 students at the school. The smaller school is fielding almost everyone that is playing football their and the larger one is fielding only their very good players. Now the difference between Dust and things like this HS football comparison is that the player base could do something about it but they choose not too. Or at least that 75 percent that you belong too chooses not too. They just want to win. I personally feel great when I beat a good corp in PC. How can you guys even have a feeling of accomplishment from your victories. I want to win also but not in the way that DNS wants to win. I want to be that underdog. Where every victory actually is meaningful. That's what makes this game enjoyable when playing PC. You at DNS however have completely tried to ruin and destroy everything that this game stands for. I am a little bit old school and ppl are different now days. I was very good at basketball when I was in High School. If I went to the gym on lunch or the YMCA on the weekends to play ball I always tried to pick up a couple of the small or not so good kids that tried hard. If we won it gave them a great feeling and it made me feel like I actually overcame something. The victory was sweeter. Now you know of course you had kids like you DNS ppl. The ones that tried to pick up every one that was the best. They may have won more but how can that win feel good. How you guys feel good about yourselves Ill never understand. You guys win but you win without respect, honor, pride, and your dignity. Your wins are empty wins. They hold no meaning or value except inside your own egotistical minds. Commander, Director of DL and Leader of The SS Elite Squad** *Putting Dust players out of their misery since Jan 2013
bigolenuts Dirt Nap Squad. 597	Posted - 2014.05.01 15:48:00 - [27] - Quote superjoe360x wrote: bigolenuts wrote: WhataguyTTU wrote: If the lower SP brackets players actually cared about PC. We've tainted the idea soo bad that most just don't give a **** about its participation. I hate baseball, but I do love your idea. I wish something like this could be set in place. Everytime we ask for some sort of matchmaking, CCP replies: not enough population. So before working on PC tiers, we need to focus on the NPE so we can have the numbers to do all this awesome stuff. Agreed Whataguy, but the main reason lower tier guys don't care is because they can't compete. I've asked and spoke with many new(er) guys and asked what they had planned. Usually the same answer, "would like to get into PC but all the good players are already in the best corps".That tells me they want in, just don't have an "in". That is just a rough draft, it definitely needs some work but it was on my mind. Technically all this could mostly be fixed if all the good players actually care about having good fights and not bluing up with each other. Lets just say 25 percent of the good players are not in DNS and the other 75 percent are. So unless other corps outside DNS have lets say every good top tier player on at the same time then we don't stand a chance at beating DNS. DNS has a large and deep talent pool to pull from at any given moment they can field 16 good players. Its kinda like having a high school football team that has 2,000 students at the school vs a team that has 500 students at the school. The smaller school is fielding almost everyone that is playing football their and the larger one is fielding only their very good players. Now the difference between Dust and things like this HS football comparison is that the player base could do something about it but they choose not too. Or at least that 75 percent that you belong too chooses not too. They just want to win. I personally feel great when I beat a good corp in PC. How can you guys even have a feeling of accomplishment from your victories. I want to win also but not in the way that DNS wants to win. I want to be that underdog. Where every victory actually is meaningful. That's what makes this game enjoyable when playing PC. You at DNS however have completely tried to ruin and destroy everything that this game stands for. I am a little bit old school and ppl are different now days. I was very good at basketball when I was in High School. If I went to the gym on lunch or the YMCA on the weekends to play ball I always tried to pick up a couple of the small or not so good kids that tried hard. If we won it gave them a great feeling and it made me feel like I actually overcame something. The victory was sweeter. Now you know of course you had kids like you DNS ppl. The ones that tried to pick up every one that was the best. They may have won more but how can that win feel good. How you guys feel good about yourselves Ill never understand. You guys win but you win without respect, honor, pride, and your dignity. Your wins are empty wins. They hold no meaning or value except inside your own egotistical minds. But our minds are what matter. Now back to the YMCA with you. I think I hear some little kids crying for their daddy. "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara
superjoe360x D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 237	Posted - 2014.05.01 16:33:00 - [28] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: superjoe360x wrote: bigolenuts wrote: WhataguyTTU wrote: If the lower SP brackets players actually cared about PC. We've tainted the idea soo bad that most just don't give a ** about its participation. I hate baseball, but I do love your idea. I wish something like this could be set in place. Everytime we ask for some sort of matchmaking, CCP replies: not enough population. So before working on PC tiers, we need to focus on the NPE so we can have the numbers to do all this awesome stuff. Agreed Whataguy, but the main reason lower tier guys don't care is because they can't compete. I've asked and spoke with many new(er) guys and asked what they had planned. Usually the same answer, "would like to get into PC but all the good players are already in the best corps".That tells me they want in, just don't have an "in". That is just a rough draft, it definitely needs some work but it was on my mind. Technically all this could mostly be fixed if all the good players actually care about having good fights and not bluing up with each other. Lets just say 25 percent of the good players are not in DNS and the other 75 percent are. So unless other corps outside DNS have lets say every good top tier player on at the same time then we don't stand a chance at beating DNS. DNS has a large and deep talent pool to pull from at any given moment they can field 16 good players. Its kinda like having a high school football team that has 2,000 students at the school vs a team that has 500 students at the school. The smaller school is fielding almost everyone that is playing football their and the larger one is fielding only their very good players. Now the difference between Dust and things like this HS football comparison is that the player base could do something about it but they choose not too. Or at least that 75 percent that you belong too chooses not too. They just want to win. I personally feel great when I beat a good corp in PC. How can you guys even have a feeling of accomplishment from your victories. I want to win also but not in the way that DNS wants to win. I want to be that underdog. Where every victory actually is meaningful. That's what makes this game enjoyable when playing PC. You at DNS however have completely tried to ruin and destroy everything that this game stands for. I am a little bit old school and ppl are different now days. I was very good at basketball when I was in High School. If I went to the gym on lunch or the YMCA on the weekends to play ball I always tried to pick up a couple of the small or not so good kids that tried hard. If we won it gave them a great feeling and it made me feel like I actually overcame something. The victory was sweeter. Now you know of course you had kids like you DNS ppl. The ones that tried to pick up every one that was the best. They may have won more but how can that win feel good. How you guys feel good about yourselves Ill never understand. You guys win but you win without respect, honor, pride, and your dignity. Your wins are empty wins. They hold no meaning or value except inside your own egotistical minds. But our minds are what matter. Now back to the YMCA with you. I think I hear some little kids crying for their daddy. You are probably one of those kids crying for a daddy. You are intellectually compromised. Commander, Director of DL and Leader of The SS Elite Squad** *Putting Dust players out of their misery since Jan 2013
Radar R4D-47 0uter.Heaven 651	Posted - 2014.05.01 18:35:00 - [29] - Quote superjoe360x wrote: Technically all this could mostly be fixed if all the good players actually care about having good fights and not bluing up with each other. Now the difference between Dust and things like this HS football comparison is that the player base could do something about it... I personally feel great when I beat a good corp in PC. I want to be that underdog. Where every victory actually is meaningful. That's what makes this game enjoyable when playing PC. 1st part is the cold truth that I can't understand. 2nd part is 0.H written down. We have never tried to find easy fights or blue up with other Elites. My advice to you SuperJoe is talk to every corp outside of DNS. Make a channel for their "SS Elite Squad" You get 8 of those squads together you have a talent pool to play competitively at the higher level.
bigolenuts Dirt Nap Squad. 597	Posted - 2014.05.01 23:31:00 - [30] - Quote LOL..what a tool "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."-1958, Ernesto "Che" Guevara



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