DUST Search - nerf the madrugar or make 1 armor rep only

Alena Ventrallis wrote:

This again. Alright, for the fourth time now.

A repper Maddy has been set up to deal with AV. It is vulnerable to alpha damage, such as RE or missiles or large railguns. Do you complain that the sentinel is hard to kill with your AR? No, you get a shotgun to deal with him. If he then spawns in a medium suit with an ACR to deal with your shotgun? You spawn in a sniper and zap him in one shot.

The same thing applies to vehicles. If he's set up to handle the sustained DPS of your AV, call in a railgun or missiles or lay RE on him. If he comes in a fit that can handle high alpha damage, say a Gunnlogi with a complex extender and two hardeners, you g back to your AV fit, because he cannot repair his health as fast as you can DPS him down.

Another point, is the best possible DPS with 2 complex damage mods (4 are possible with a CalSentinel) is 893.33 DPS. The best reps possible on a Maddy are 512.5 hp/s. You have close to 400 DPS over his reps. This is not including hitting the weakspot, which gives you close to 600 DPS over his reps. Also, a maxed out Wykiromi Breach forge gun can kill a repper maddy in one shot to the weak point.

If you are unable to field multiple roles to counter different setups, then you will be slaughtered like a lamb. You want to kill my repper tank? Field the repper tank counters. When I field my resist tank to handle your high alpha weapons? Field your AV to whittle me down. The problem isn't the reppers. The problem is you wanting your one gun to win against every vehicle.

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Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army 33	Posted - 2014.04.26 19:18:00 - [1] - Quote the madrugar have 3 heavy armor rep it heals 100% every charge on my forge gun and same on swarm it just ignoring my shoots
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2076	Posted - 2014.04.26 19:22:00 - [2] - Quote On the flip side, rails and missiles still kills it. with ease. I'll just leave this here click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army 33	Posted - 2014.04.26 19:28:00 - [3] - Quote the rail when it miss the madrugar.. it heals 90% and your dead when his close on the missile yeh its can be destroyed fast but the swarm and forge it just ignore our attacks
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 148	Posted - 2014.04.26 19:29:00 - [4] - Quote Kratek Heshan wrote: the madrugar have 3 heavy armor rep it heals 100% every charge on my forge gun and same on swarm it just ignoring my shoots You are infantry, it should never be possible for infantry to solo a HAV. You can support other AV infantries, you can support a friendly HAV, you can denis ground to a HAV. Thats enough. This will help the game
Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army 33	Posted - 2014.04.26 19:31:00 - [5] - Quote its possible when they buff the forge and swarm
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 551	Posted - 2014.04.26 19:41:00 - [6] - Quote Tripple rep maddies aren't OP. It's the AV that's UP. It's more than easy to wreck a tripple rep maddy if you know how to handle them. We want cake and tea.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2076	Posted - 2014.04.26 19:45:00 - [7] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: Kratek Heshan wrote: the madrugar have 3 heavy armor rep it heals 100% every charge on my forge gun and same on swarm it just ignoring my shoots You are infantry, it should never be possible for infantry to solo a HAV. You can support other AV infantries, you can support a friendly HAV, you can denis ground to a HAV. Thats enough. Quiet scrub. This is not binary land. Stop thinking as if it is. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2076	Posted - 2014.04.26 19:47:00 - [8] - Quote Kratek Heshan wrote: its possible when they buff the forge and swarm I doubt they will. That would just nerf DS's and active/passive tanked HAV's even more, and they don't need a nerf at this point. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Final Resolution. 2594	Posted - 2014.04.26 19:50:00 - [9] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: Kratek Heshan wrote: the madrugar have 3 heavy armor rep it heals 100% every charge on my forge gun and same on swarm it just ignoring my shoots You are infantry, it should never be possible for infantry to solo a HAV. You can support other AV infantries, you can support a friendly HAV, you can denis ground to a HAV. Thats enough. You are delusional For the Federation!
Dunce Masterson Savage Bullet 90	Posted - 2014.04.26 21:09:00 - [10] - Quote ok then cut the clip size of missile pods in half and reduce the rail turret damage by 40% sound fair? I didn't think so this is a team based game don't get frustrated when your solo av attempt end in failure. I don't even know why I bother.

Alena Ventrallis PAND3M0N1UM Top Men. 1230	Posted - 2014.04.26 21:50:00 - [11] - Quote This again. Alright, for the fourth time now. A repper Maddy has been set up to deal with AV. It is vulnerable to alpha damage, such as RE or missiles or large railguns. Do you complain that the sentinel is hard to kill with your AR? No, you get a shotgun to deal with him. If he then spawns in a medium suit with an ACR to deal with your shotgun? You spawn in a sniper and zap him in one shot. The same thing applies to vehicles. If he's set up to handle the sustained DPS of your AV, call in a railgun or missiles or lay RE on him. If he comes in a fit that can handle high alpha damage, say a Gunnlogi with a complex extender and two hardeners, you g back to your AV fit, because he cannot repair his health as fast as you can DPS him down. Another point, is the best possible DPS with 2 complex damage mods (4 are possible with a CalSentinel) is 893.33 DPS. The best reps possible on a Maddy are 512.5 hp/s. You have close to 400 DPS over his reps. This is not including hitting the weakspot, which gives you close to 600 DPS over his reps. Also, a maxed out Wykiromi Breach forge gun can kill a repper maddy in one shot to the weak point. If you are unable to field multiple roles to counter different setups, then you will be slaughtered like a lamb. You want to kill my repper tank? Field the repper tank counters. When I field my resist tank to handle your high alpha weapons? Field your AV to whittle me down. The problem isn't the reppers. The problem is you wanting your one gun to win against every vehicle. That's what you get!! - DA Rick
Emo Skellington The Neutral Zone 34	Posted - 2014.04.26 22:04:00 - [12] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: This again. Alright, for the fourth time now. A repper Maddy has been set up to deal with AV. It is vulnerable to alpha damage, such as RE or missiles or large railguns. Do you complain that the sentinel is hard to kill with your AR? No, you get a shotgun to deal with him. If he then spawns in a medium suit with an ACR to deal with your shotgun? You spawn in a sniper and zap him in one shot. The same thing applies to vehicles. If he's set up to handle the sustained DPS of your AV, call in a railgun or missiles or lay RE on him. If he comes in a fit that can handle high alpha damage, say a Gunnlogi with a complex extender and two hardeners, you g back to your AV fit, because he cannot repair his health as fast as you can DPS him down. Another point, is the best possible DPS with 2 complex damage mods (4 are possible with a CalSentinel) is 893.33 DPS. The best reps possible on a Maddy are 512.5 hp/s. You have close to 400 DPS over his reps. This is not including hitting the weakspot, which gives you close to 600 DPS over his reps. Also, a maxed out Wykiromi Breach forge gun can kill a repper maddy in one shot to the weak point. If you are unable to field multiple roles to counter different setups, then you will be slaughtered like a lamb. You want to kill my repper tank? Field the repper tank counters. When I field my resist tank to handle your high alpha weapons? Field your AV to whittle me down. The problem isn't the reppers. The problem is you wanting your one gun to win against every vehicle. And yet again i completely agree with Alena. I do run a proto caldari sent w/ 4 complex damage mods on Wyrkomi but unfortunately i only scare them away w/ their tails betweeen their legs. Level 3 prof on FG. The thing is that DPS in Dust is tricky cause of stuff just plain being OP and UP not to mention the big hit us FG'ers took from 1.7 NZONE
Principus Shmoof Triariian Sardianii-Triarii Planetary Services Armed-n-Hammered 118	Posted - 2014.04.26 22:33:00 - [13] - Quote I bet if there was a Minmatar Autocannon tank, it would balance out nicely Less nerf/buff, more new content please
THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK THE BONERBOMBS 4	Posted - 2014.04.26 23:02:00 - [14] - Quote A triple rep madugar is good when you want to cover your team with a blaster tank with a enemy team with good av or to troll a another blaster tank on how fast you rep your amour its made to take hits but as soon as your getting hit by a rail or 2 av forge gunners it loses its effectiveness i still love how i rep 512 amour per second
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7318	Posted - 2014.04.26 23:50:00 - [15] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: You are infantry, it should never be possible for infantry to solo a HAV. You are a tanker, it should never be possible for tankers to solo an AVer. Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7318	Posted - 2014.04.26 23:53:00 - [16] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: The problem isn't the reppers. The problem is you wanting your one gun to win against every vehicle. No, the problem is wanting your one gun (Swarm Launchers) to win against the one vehicle it was specifically designed to win against (Madrugars). Unless of course you have a valid reason as to why an explosive weapon shouldn't be able to kill an armored target. Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK THE BONERBOMBS 5	Posted - 2014.04.26 23:55:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: You are infantry, it should never be possible for infantry to solo a HAV. You are a tanker, it should never be possible for tankers to solo an AVer. LOL so are you saying a guy in a stater fit with a swarm launcher should be able to destroy and almost destroy a tank
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7318	Posted - 2014.04.26 23:57:00 - [18] - Quote THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK wrote: Atiim wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: You are infantry, it should never be possible for infantry to solo a HAV. You are a tanker, it should never be possible for tankers to solo an AVer. LOL so are you saying a guy in a stater fit with a swarm launcher should be able to destroy and almost destroy a tank I'm saying a guy with a MLT Swarm Launcher should be able to destroy a Sica & Soma by himself. But if the guy with the MLT Swarm Launcher is good enough, I see no problem with that. Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK THE BONERBOMBS 5	Posted - 2014.04.27 00:00:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK wrote: Atiim wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: You are infantry, it should never be possible for infantry to solo a HAV. You are a tanker, it should never be possible for tankers to solo an AVer. LOL so are you saying a guy in a stater fit with a swarm launcher should be able to destroy and almost destroy a tank I'm saying a guy with a MLT Swarm Launcher should be able to destroy a Sica & Soma by himself. But if the guy with the MLT Swarm Launcher is good enough, I see no problem with that. So a guy with a full maxed of forge gun in a proto cal sential suit stacked with damage mods should be able to one shot all tanks with your logic in balancing
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2181	Posted - 2014.04.27 00:05:00 - [20] - Quote THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK wrote: Atiim wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: You are infantry, it should never be possible for infantry to solo a HAV. You are a tanker, it should never be possible for tankers to solo an AVer. LOL so are you saying a guy in a stater fit with a swarm launcher should be able to destroy and almost destroy a tank A guy in a Frontline starter fit with a MLT AR can kill any protosuit in the game with good positioning and aim. Why should tanks work any differently? Nerdier than thou

Kelbec Illidarie The Forlorn Hope. 24	Posted - 2014.04.27 00:08:00 - [21] - Quote the nerf the madruger needs is the armor rep mods becoming active rather then passive. this could mean the life or death of a tank if the driver of it is not fast enough to activate all of his armor repairs. also when they go on cooldown the tank will be an easy kill Primary role: Logi Secondary role: Pilot/Tanker
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7320	Posted - 2014.04.27 00:10:00 - [22] - Quote THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK wrote: So a guy with a full maxed of forge gun in a proto cal sential suit stacked with damage mods should be able to one shot all tanks with your logic in balancing And where in any of my statements have I said that? Though if he has a Wyrikomi Breach FG and hits the weakspot, then yes it should die in one hit. My logic, is than an AVer of equal tier should have a reasonable chance against a vehicle pilot on a 1:1 ratio; and that an AV weapon that sacrifices it's effectiveness against shielded vehicles should be able to reliably and effectively kill the one vehicle it was designed to kill (Madrugars, armored vehicles by extension). Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7320	Posted - 2014.04.27 00:14:00 - [23] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: A guy in a Frontline starter fit with a MLT AR can kill any protosuit in the game with good positioning and aim. Why should tanks work any differently? There's an old saying about the tanker's mentality, I think it went something like this: Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK THE BONERBOMBS 5	Posted - 2014.04.27 00:15:00 - [24] - Quote Atiim wrote: THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK wrote: So a guy with a full maxed of forge gun in a proto cal sential suit stacked with damage mods should be able to one shot all tanks with your logic in balancing And where in any of my statements have I said that? Though if he has a Wyrikomi Breach FG and hits the weakspot, then yes it should die in one hit. My logic, is than an AVer of equal tier should have a reasonable chance against a vehicle pilot on a 1:1 ratio; and that an AV weapon that sacrifices it's effectiveness against shielded vehicles should be able to reliably and effectively kill the one vehicle it was designed to kill (Madrugars, armored vehicles by extension). well your logic that a militia fit with a militia swarm launcher should be able to blow up a tank i'm scared of your idea of a proto swarm launcher
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 2182	Posted - 2014.04.27 00:20:00 - [25] - Quote THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK wrote: Atiim wrote: THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK wrote: So a guy with a full maxed of forge gun in a proto cal sential suit stacked with damage mods should be able to one shot all tanks with your logic in balancing And where in any of my statements have I said that? Though if he has a Wyrikomi Breach FG and hits the weakspot, then yes it should die in one hit. My logic, is than an AVer of equal tier should have a reasonable chance against a vehicle pilot on a 1:1 ratio; and that an AV weapon that sacrifices it's effectiveness against shielded vehicles should be able to reliably and effectively kill the one vehicle it was designed to kill (Madrugars, armored vehicles by extension). well your logic that a militia fit with a militia swarm launcher should be able to blow up a tank i'm scared of your idea of a proto swarm launcher Proto just needs to scale NOT STUPIDLY. Proto to militia should be 10%, at most 20%, not ******* 50% like it is now. Nerdier than thou
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Final Resolution. 2595	Posted - 2014.04.27 00:52:00 - [26] - Quote THEPIMP NAMED SLICKBACK wrote: Atiim wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: You are infantry, it should never be possible for infantry to solo a HAV. You are a tanker, it should never be possible for tankers to solo an AVer. LOL so are you saying a guy in a stater fit with a swarm launcher should be able to destroy and almost destroy a tank Are you saying a basic tank should be immortal to all forms of AV, even prototype AV? For the Federation!
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1656	Posted - 2014.04.27 01:21:00 - [27] - Quote Just STOP with this "nerf this, buff that" mentality! Nothing needs to be nerfed in the case of armor reps! They just need to become active modules. People will still be able to fit for 500hp/s if they want to, and we need variety. Just nerfing stuff is removing what little variety we have now. Look at the hardener nerf: now that's one more useless module for armor and shields aren't as strong anymore to provide a strong base for fit variety. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2078	Posted - 2014.04.27 01:28:00 - [28] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Just STOP with this "nerf this, buff that" mentality! Nothing needs to be nerfed in the case of armor reps! They just need to become active modules. People will still be able to fit for 500hp/s if they want to, and we need variety. Just nerfing stuff is removing what little variety we have now. Look at the hardener nerf: now that's one more useless module for armor and shields aren't as strong anymore to provide a strong base for fit variety. Not unless they get a buff they should....... I'll just leave this here click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-


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