DUST Search - JudgeRhadamanthus "The First Mover" cloaking Video

P14GU3 wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

I say this with no ill will. I'm just stating the truth here.

Nothing can be said to you guys because whatever Judge says, you guys go with it. And if someone disagrees, you guys either attack the difference of opinion without understanding it, just equating it to mudslinging instead of valid points.

OR

Dismiss it all together.

I'm smart enough to understand its a test. But its a poor test. The fact remains, when someone is hacking the supply depot, you're vulnerable to many things, not just a cloaked scout who can get a shot off before he decloaks.

Seeing that as his first example just doesn't make sense to me. How can we have a valid discussion on the matter when his first "test" shows a mercenary who just stands out a supply depot with his back turned?

Not only that, but the mercenary sat with his back towards the open field. THE OPEN FIELD! LOL! That's asking for trouble. He could have been FG'd. Sniped from the tower. Blasted from a HMG. Bombarded by a dropship. Blown apart by a well tossed grenade.

He didn't even need to cloak to get to that CalAss player. So again, its a poor example for a test.

So until you guys are able to accept differences opinions, then you guys will no longer get a broader scope to the picture. Judge makes a video and its final with you guys. No one else can say anything else to it. Unless of course, that person is praising then its alright.

Out of that whole video, you chose to make a point about the ONE guy standing still hacking a depot. What about the others? What about the guys who "saw" him before he attacked and still got beat? Bad gun-game? That would be plausible if they were actually shooting near him in the first place, but they didnt know where he was, even after they "saw" him


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Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4034	Posted - 2014.04.25 23:25:00 - [1] - Quote LOL so Judge is still making some merc's panties wet by his accent eh? OK, other side of the coin, you are to check your surroundings and know that when hacking an objective, ANYBODY can sneak up on you unseen cloak or not and get damage points in before you have a time to react. That is the risk you take when hacking a supply depot or a NULL cannon. So that's a very poor example for the "getting a shot off before decloaked" problem. Another side of the coin, its the mechanics of war. Fairness is pretty much the last bullet point on the list, if not at all. If the mercenary was moving around, as he should have been, while hacking, his chance of survival are increased by small percentage. That's still worth it compared to just standing there and hacking, allowing any enemy to get a decent amount of damage on you before you react. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4034	Posted - 2014.04.25 23:50:00 - [2] - Quote I say this with no ill will. I'm just stating the truth here. Nothing can be said to you guys because whatever Judge says, you guys go with it. And if someone disagrees, you guys either attack the difference of opinion without understanding it, just equating it to mudslinging instead of valid points. OR Dismiss it all together. I'm smart enough to understand its a test. But its a poor test. The fact remains, when someone is hacking the supply depot, you're vulnerable to many things, not just a cloaked scout who can get a shot off before he decloaks. Seeing that as his first example just doesn't make sense to me. How can we have a valid discussion on the matter when his first "test" shows a mercenary who just stands out a supply depot with his back turned? Not only that, but the mercenary sat with his back towards the open field. THE OPEN FIELD! LOL! That's asking for trouble. He could have been FG'd. Sniped from the tower. Blasted from a HMG. Bombarded by a dropship. Blown apart by a well tossed grenade. He didn't even need to cloak to get to that CalAss player. So again, its a poor example for a test. So until you guys are able to accept differences opinions, then you guys will no longer get a broader scope to the picture. Judge makes a video and its final with you guys. No one else can say anything else to it. Unless of course, that person is praising then its alright. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4034	Posted - 2014.04.26 00:14:00 - [3] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: I say this with no ill will. I'm just stating the truth here. Nothing can be said to you guys because whatever Judge says, you guys go with it. And if someone disagrees, you guys either attack the difference of opinion without understanding it, just equating it to mudslinging instead of valid points. OR Dismiss it all together. I'm smart enough to understand its a test. But its a poor test. The fact remains, when someone is hacking the supply depot, you're vulnerable to many things, not just a cloaked scout who can get a shot off before he decloaks. Seeing that as his first example just doesn't make sense to me. How can we have a valid discussion on the matter when his first "test" shows a mercenary who just stands out a supply depot with his back turned? Not only that, but the mercenary sat with his back towards the open field. THE OPEN FIELD! LOL! That's asking for trouble. He could have been FG'd. Sniped from the tower. Blasted from a HMG. Bombarded by a dropship. Blown apart by a well tossed grenade. He didn't even need to cloak to get to that CalAss player. So again, its a poor example for a test. So until you guys are able to accept differences opinions, then you guys will no longer get a broader scope to the picture. Judge makes a video and its final with you guys. No one else can say anything else to it. Unless of course, that person is praising then its alright. Out of that whole video, you chose to make a point about the ONE guy standing still hacking a depot. What about the others? What about the guys who "saw" him before he attacked and still got beat? Bad gun-game? That would be plausible if they were actually shooting near him in the first place, but they didnt know where he was, even after they "saw" him Yes I did. I question the validity of the test which also drives me to question the validity of the points he's making since he used such an "open ended" test to drive some of his cloak points home. There are too many variables that are involved. The truth is, anybody else made that video with the same test, you guys would question the validity of the entire video because of variables I mentioned. But because it's Judge, nothing is said. You're really not making any sense and its quite easy to understand why I feel the way I feel. Anyone with an open mind, would understand what I'm saying here. Alas, when it comes to Judge video threads, if you're not on the cheerleading bandwagon folks get bent out of shape about your opinions. That's just the plain, uncut truth. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4035	Posted - 2014.04.26 02:18:00 - [4] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Michael Arck wrote: I say this with no ill will. I'm just stating the truth here. Nothing can be said to you guys because whatever Judge says, you guys go with it. And if someone disagrees, you guys either attack the difference of opinion without understanding it, just equating it to mudslinging instead of valid points. OR Dismiss it all together. I'm smart enough to understand its a test. But its a poor test. The fact remains, when someone is hacking the supply depot, you're vulnerable to many things, not just a cloaked scout who can get a shot off before he decloaks. Seeing that as his first example just doesn't make sense to me. How can we have a valid discussion on the matter when his first "test" shows a mercenary who just stands out a supply depot with his back turned? Not only that, but the mercenary sat with his back towards the open field. THE OPEN FIELD! LOL! That's asking for trouble. He could have been FG'd. Sniped from the tower. Blasted from a HMG. Bombarded by a dropship. Blown apart by a well tossed grenade. He didn't even need to cloak to get to that CalAss player. So again, its a poor example for a test. So until you guys are able to accept differences opinions, then you guys will no longer get a broader scope to the picture. Judge makes a video and its final with you guys. No one else can say anything else to it. Unless of course, that person is praising then its alright. So you didn't actually read what I said did you? Just admit it. *The hacker example is purely about amount of shots while cloaked.* Read that like 50 times until you understand it. It has nothing to do with the sneaking aspect, or the stealth while moving, or frontal assault, or anything else. Get it through your head. Are you that narrow minded? The hacker could not see the scout period because he was hacking a suppy depot. Duh! Cloak or uncloaked, the scout getting a shot before he decloaks doesn't make a difference!! The same thing would happen if I blasted him with my HMG. It is implied that the scout who gets a shot off before decloaking puts the scout at a advantage and the mercenary at a disadvantage BUUUUUT....(wait for it!) If the mercenary has seen the scout cloaked, moving with a shimmer, then IT WOULDN'T MATTER IF THE SCOUT GOT THE SHOT OFF BEFORE DECLOAKING OR NOT!!!!!!! If you don't see ANYBODY, you will be at a disadvantage!!!! So what is the point of the argument??? Show me somebody who is AWARE of the scout's presence. Show me that video and make your test from there. NO YOU CAN"T BECAUSE IT WOULD PROVE HIS TEST TO BE INADEQUATE SINCE THE MERC IS AWARE WHICH WOULD NEGATE HIS ARGUMENT ABOUT THE SHOT BEING LET OFF BEFORE DECLOAKING BECAUSE THAT MERC WOULD BE FIRING UPON THE SCOUT BEFORE HE EVEN SHOOTS!! If you are aware it wouldn't even matter!!!! WOW! Smh. You are not thinking. You just listen to what he says and what he shows and you automatically agree without considering the variables. The test proves nothing and is highly inadequate as a point of discussion. I have provided another side of the coin that you and many others ignore. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4035	Posted - 2014.04.26 02:44:00 - [5] - Quote You're not listening to me man and its right there for you to re-read. I know what the test is about. It's obvious that I know in the post I have up there prior to this one. Why my story doesn't change. If you see the scout...repeat this with me now...if you see the scout, a scout shooting first before de-cloaking doesn't even matter. You see the scout!!!! LOL I don't know how else to say that to you. Awareness is key. Awareness nullifies the fact that the scout can shoot before decloaking One more time...say this with me now... Awareness nullfiies the fact that the scout can shoot before decloaking. It won't matter since you would have the drop on the scout instead of the scout having the drop on you. Do you understand that? Seriously I don't you think you do. All you hear is Michael Arck doesn't like Judge's video. Michael Arck doesn't know what he's talking about. That's all you reading in my posts and that's all you hear. Its like talking to a brick wall here. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4035	Posted - 2014.04.26 02:53:00 - [6] - Quote Minor Treat wrote: Okay, than you did not understand the test.... that statement you made just proves it. Its not about seeing them on the first test it about if you decloak after your first shot with a weapon. You do not decloak after your first shot with a weapon which was proven in the video. You can have the greatest awareness in the world but you dont decloak after you fire your weapon. (at least not after the first few rounds) arguing with you is like arguing with a woman....just all over the place. You got it man. I had enough of this. You just don't get it. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4061	Posted - 2014.04.27 01:27:00 - [7] - Quote I'm glad some people with common sense with the ability to think for themselves, answered this thread. Seriously. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4066	Posted - 2014.04.27 02:01:00 - [8] - Quote He didn't post an attitude. He's describing how badly you guys will nerf and dismantle mechanics within the game. It's analogy. Stop being a softy and go outside. Play some football. Like this cloak issue that is nothing more than a like generation mechanic. Coming from the same guy who wanted swarms ranges nerfed but gets mad when rail tanks are camping redline, blasting him outta the sky. If the swarm range wasn't nerfed, his headache of tanks on the redline would be minimal because the range of the swarms would have decreased the redline camping. Why are people searching for things to change in the game that needs no adjustments? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?