DUST Search - simple way to improve/fix plasma cannon

Canis Ferox wrote:

[quote=lampwizard]Increase direct hit damage. I agree with Yoma./quote]

Direct hit damage! Flaylock could also do with this. In fact they should scrap the Swarm Launcher and replace with a direct fire, non-guided rpg, with some serious damage - to reward the ability to aim.

Unless I am just wrong about this. Because Dust is trying to be a tactical RPG (role playing game, not rocket propelled grenade) style shooter - maybe aiming isn't important! I suppose if fitting a suit is more of a key than twitch skill it would certainly be unique among FPS. In which case I should shut up eh? Whaddayafink?

No aiming must be important, otherwise the Plasma Cannon wouldn't be what it was.

Direct hit should instakill anyone. It does dunnit? If not, it should and then, don't change a thing. It's like slinging a pebble - miss and you'll have to switch to a dagger, but hit that sweet spot on the temple or forehead and it's over in a second. "+ö+ò+P+æ+Ö"

As for splash damage -no. Instead allow ragdoll corpses to inflict (upto) fatal damage and make the propulsive effect of the explosion 10X what it is (not damage). Now if you hit you have the chance to murder his teammates with his flying corpse. Same with tank and turret shells.

Vote for more fun!

- Canis Ferox

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buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 454	Posted - 2014.04.24 19:14:00 - [1] - Quote -Change the skill to do +5% splash radius per level instead of 5% reduction to charge time per level -Increase direct hit damage by a few hundred -Maybe slightly increase the projectile speed -Also maybe increase splash damage, amount not certain Dedicated heavy through the hard times, still supporter of A FULL 1.8 respec and MOAR HEAVY WEAPONS!
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 123	Posted - 2014.04.24 19:28:00 - [2] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: -Maybe slightly increase the projectile speed -Also maybe increase splash damage, amount not certain No maybe, increase projectile speed & splash damage. Hitting anything beyond 50m is pure luck (i could argue 5m). And yeah, i expect a little larger damage radius when you dump a load of superheated gas on something. How does all that energy dissapate in such a small area so quickly? Hhmmm, what about a remaining hot zone when a plasma shot hits terrain or structures? Small, incrementally decreasing damage to armor to those who come within, say, 10m of impact? Damage rate static across all tiers of the cannon. Hopefully we can get someone in here to help fill in the numbers and flesh this out. Nice proposal!
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3630	Posted - 2014.04.24 19:30:00 - [3] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: -Change the skill to do +5% splash radius per level instead of 5% reduction to charge time per level -Increase direct hit damage by a few hundred -Maybe slightly increase the projectile speed -Also maybe increase splash damage, amount not certain That wasn't simple, and that wasn't balanced.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1572	Posted - 2014.04.24 19:33:00 - [4] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: -Change the skill to do +5% splash radius per level instead of 5% reduction to charge time per level -Increase direct hit damage by a few hundred -Maybe slightly increase the projectile speed -Also maybe increase splash damage, amount not certain - Give both of those bonuses... - Increase the Projectile speed - Increase the direct hit but not the splash, would make MD look stupid lol
IR Scifi Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 149	Posted - 2014.04.24 19:35:00 - [5] - Quote Fix the disappearing projectiles, non registering splash damage, and shots in mid flight not counting because I died before it landed, then let's see where we are. Also it may have been fixed but the skill bonuses not applying also crippled it pretty hard. It reminds me of where the mass driver was several months ago with its hit detection issues. Great weapon when it worked but absolutely useless when it didn't.
Yoma Carrim Kinsho Swords Caldari State 431	Posted - 2014.04.24 19:58:00 - [6] - Quote Give the PLC the Breach forge guns direct damage (or maybe a few hundred less) and keep everything else the same. PLC already one shots most frames with a direct hit so buffing the direct damage shouldn't make it insanely useful against infantry, but make it a Close Quarters vehicle killer. Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
lampwizard Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2014.04.24 20:08:00 - [7] - Quote Increase direct hit damage. I agree with Yoma. What are some common commando and sentinel health values?
Canis Ferox Ultramarine Corp 16	Posted - 2014.04.24 21:17:00 - [8] - Quote [quote=lampwizard]Increase direct hit damage. I agree with Yoma./quote] Direct hit damage! Flaylock could also do with this. In fact they should scrap the Swarm Launcher and replace with a direct fire, non-guided rpg, with some serious damage - to reward the ability to aim. Unless I am just wrong about this. Because Dust is trying to be a tactical RPG (role playing game, not rocket propelled grenade) style shooter - maybe aiming isn't important! I suppose if fitting a suit is more of a key than twitch skill it would certainly be unique among FPS. In which case I should shut up eh? Whaddayafink? No aiming must be important, otherwise the Plasma Cannon wouldn't be what it was. Direct hit should instakill anyone. It does dunnit? If not, it should and then, don't change a thing. It's like slinging a pebble - miss and you'll have to switch to a dagger, but hit that sweet spot on the temple or forehead and it's over in a second. "+ö+ò+P+æ+Ö" As for splash damage -no. Instead allow ragdoll corpses to inflict (upto) fatal damage and make the propulsive effect of the explosion 10X what it is (not damage). Now if you hit you have the chance to murder his teammates with his flying corpse. Same with tank and turret shells. Vote for more fun! - Canis Ferox +ö+ò+P+æ+Ö
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4005	Posted - 2014.04.24 21:21:00 - [9] - Quote It'd be nice if it didn't take so long to switch weapons after firing it. No.
buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 457	Posted - 2014.04.24 23:08:00 - [10] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: -Change the skill to do +5% splash radius per level instead of 5% reduction to charge time per level -Increase direct hit damage by a few hundred -Maybe slightly increase the projectile speed -Also maybe increase splash damage, amount not certain That wasn't simple, and that wasn't balanced. how is it not balanced? still underpowered, or maybe your afraid it will actually kill you once? also, its pretty simple to do in terms of programming. all you do is edit a few values in the code, and change the text of the skill books/weapon stats Dedicated heavy through the hard times, still supporter of A FULL 1.8 respec and MOAR HEAVY WEAPONS!

Galthur Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 468	Posted - 2014.04.24 23:29:00 - [11] - Quote Pressing R1 'airbursts' mid-flight rounds allowing greater accuracy to the user. IRC guest keeps thinking I'm Obiwan
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 977	Posted - 2014.04.25 00:08:00 - [12] - Quote Just increase direct hit damage and projectile speed. If you increase the splash damage or radius it'll be too effective against infantry and that's all people will use it for mostly instead of as AV as it is intended. Support Orbital Spawns
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 552	Posted - 2014.04.25 00:09:00 - [13] - Quote Canis Ferox wrote: [quote=lampwizard]Increase direct hit damage. I agree with Yoma./quote] Direct hit damage! Flaylock could also do with this. In fact they should scrap the Swarm Launcher and replace with a direct fire, non-guided rpg, with some serious damage - to reward the ability to aim. Unless I am just wrong about this. Because Dust is trying to be a tactical RPG (role playing game, not rocket propelled grenade) style shooter - maybe aiming isn't important! I suppose if fitting a suit is more of a key than twitch skill it would certainly be unique among FPS. In which case I should shut up eh? Whaddayafink? No aiming must be important, otherwise the Plasma Cannon wouldn't be what it was. Direct hit should instakill anyone. It does dunnit? If not, it should and then, don't change a thing. It's like slinging a pebble - miss and you'll have to switch to a dagger, but hit that sweet spot on the temple or forehead and it's over in a second. "+ö+ò+P+æ+Ö" As for splash damage -no. Instead allow ragdoll corpses to inflict (upto) fatal damage and make the propulsive effect of the explosion 10X what it is (not damage). Now if you hit you have the chance to murder his teammates with his flying corpse. Same with tank and turret shells. Vote for more fun! - Canis Ferox only if it counts as the victim teamkilling his friends. now that would make it a real troll weapon. now thats fixed can i haz a trade window?
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3106	Posted - 2014.04.25 00:15:00 - [14] - Quote Fix glitches first. Increase direct dmg is good but increasingly splash radius by so much would break it. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 461	Posted - 2014.04.25 00:20:00 - [15] - Quote its the same splash radius bonus as the mass driver, and according to ccp, they are both launcher class Dedicated heavy through the hard times, still supporter of A FULL 1.8 respec and MOAR HEAVY WEAPONS!
wiseguy12 Ancient Legion 25	Posted - 2014.04.25 00:20:00 - [16] - Quote This needs to be in the features and ideas. *W.I.D.O.S.* when in doubt orbital strike
buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 461	Posted - 2014.04.25 00:21:00 - [17] - Quote wiseguy12 wrote: This needs to be in the features and ideas. ive never posted out of general discussion, never will. too much work Dedicated heavy through the hard times, still supporter of A FULL 1.8 respec and MOAR HEAVY WEAPONS!
wiseguy12 Ancient Legion 25	Posted - 2014.04.25 00:25:00 - [18] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: wiseguy12 wrote: This needs to be in the features and ideas. ive never posted out of general discussion, never will. too much work The wrong people see it then. The people who actually want to hear this can't because its in the wrong place. *W.I.D.O.S.* when in doubt orbital strike
Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1438	Posted - 2014.04.25 00:41:00 - [19] - Quote Have the projectile adhere to vehicles like AV grenades. The faster it's moving the more adhesion. If the vehicle is stationary there is 0 adhesion. Best PvE idea ever!
buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 465	Posted - 2014.04.25 00:44:00 - [20] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Have the projectile adhere to vehicles like AV grenades. The faster it's moving the more adhesion. If the vehicle is stationary there is 0 adhesion. do you mean attraction or homing? adhesion just means sticking to something. however, av nade like homing would be useful, just not too high Dedicated heavy through the hard times, still supporter of A FULL 1.8 respec and MOAR HEAVY WEAPONS!

Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 914	Posted - 2014.04.25 01:18:00 - [21] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Just increase direct hit damage and projectile speed. If you increase the splash damage or radius it'll be too effective against infantry and that's all people will use it for mostly instead of as AV as it is intended. I'll disagree because even a nice boost to splash means you will not kill most suits. And trust me you will never get another shot off. And no way in hell will you ever consistently direct hit suits that are moving. To me, fixing the PLC starts with fixing the bugs. Switch weapon delay kills the weapon, and non registering splash eliminates it from true infantry use. Thing is an abysmal AV weapon, damage over time has been discussed and I think that's a decent idea as long as it's enough to knock out reppers. Speed up the projectile and make it ignore hardeners, then it's a niche useful AV that wouldn't be OP.
Yeeeuuuupppp Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 267	Posted - 2014.04.25 01:46:00 - [22] - Quote I want it to be like the SRAW from battlefield, but still slid potatoes if you miss CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" Mic status: Muted Feel the wrath of my troll
Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1438	Posted - 2014.04.25 02:13:00 - [23] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Have the projectile adhere to vehicles like AV grenades. The faster it's moving the more adhesion. If the vehicle is stationary there is 0 adhesion. do you mean attraction or homing? adhesion just means sticking to something. however, av nade like homing would be useful, just not too high Homing, yes. It should be based on vehicle speed. So high amounts (something like within 5-10m) on a max speed LAV with injectors running, half that radius for half speed, 0 for stationary vehicles. You'll still need to get it very close to be effective, and it'll still require a lot of skill to do so, but it should make the PLC much more viable as AV, without making it OP vs. infantry. It could probably use a small buff to projectile speed, it shouldn't prevent swapping weapons after firing like it does, and they need to fix the bugs related to hit detection as well. Best PvE idea ever!
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 379	Posted - 2014.04.25 02:49:00 - [24] - Quote If you gave it forge gun travel time and a line of sight fire instead of an arc, I would be fine with it. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace


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