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Korvin Lomont wrote:

Ludvig Enraga wrote:

Until recently I thought Min weaksaucity was just in the amount of skill involved in getting used to knives, but otherwise a person used to kniving would do well as a min scout.

Well that perception is gone in a puff of smoke now. I've run a couple of PC matches as min Scout and I simply could not do anything useful except popping uplinks. The problem is that cal scouts completely negate you. It's impossible to sneak into position to knife anyone when you light up on everyone's passive.

There is gotta be a mechanic that makes the the the stealthy knife assassin actually stealthy. Maybe a min scout suit variant that drops sig through the floor but only allows side arms or even only allows knives.

This is the reason I would like to see the knife bonus on the gal scout (instead on the scan range bonus) this would make so much more sense as gallente are the cqc experts and the most stealthiest faction....but CCP's logic went a different way

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Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1032	Posted - 2014.04.23 05:13:00 - [1] - Quote Until recently I thought Min weaksaucity was just in the amount of skill involved in getting used to knives, but otherwise a person used to kniving would do well as a min scout. Well that perception is gone in a puff of smoke now. I've run a couple of PC matches as min Scout and I simply could not do anything useful except popping uplinks. The problem is that cal scouts completely negate you. It's impossible to sneak into position to knife anyone when you light up on everyone's passive. There is gotta be a mechanic that makes the the the stealthy knife assassin actually stealthy. Maybe a min scout suit variant that drops sig through the floor but only allows side arms or even only allows knives. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1154	Posted - 2014.04.23 05:15:00 - [2] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Until recently I thought Min weaksaucity was just in the amount of skill involved in getting used to knives, but otherwise a person used to kniving would do well as a min scout. Well that perception is gone in a puff of smoke now. I've run a couple of PC matches as min Scout and I simply could not do anything useful except popping uplinks. The problem is that cal scouts completely negate you. It's impossible to sneak into position to knife anyone when you light up on everyone's passive. There is gotta be a mechanic that makes the the the stealthy knife assassin actually stealthy. Maybe a min scout suit variant that drops sig through the floor but only allows side arms or even only allows knives. 2-3 complex damps I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Nocturnal Soul Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 2946	Posted - 2014.04.23 05:27:00 - [3] - Quote Better fill those lows with damps. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 5002	Posted - 2014.04.23 05:42:00 - [4] - Quote Everybody is a Cal scout in PC. Fill them lows with damps. I run my Min scout and do alright with it. I die a ton because I'm the one who is hacking points but the suit isn't necessarily bad. You're just forced to run a semi-specific fit because a certain type of suit is FOTM. Adapt my fine fellow. Also, I wouldn't recommend running your knives the entire time. Save them for inner objectives. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 279	Posted - 2014.04.23 06:03:00 - [5] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Until recently I thought Min weaksaucity was just in the amount of skill involved in getting used to knives, but otherwise a person used to kniving would do well as a min scout. Well that perception is gone in a puff of smoke now. I've run a couple of PC matches as min Scout and I simply could not do anything useful except popping uplinks. The problem is that cal scouts completely negate you. It's impossible to sneak into position to knife anyone when you light up on everyone's passive. There is gotta be a mechanic that makes the the the stealthy knife assassin actually stealthy. Maybe a min scout suit variant that drops sig through the floor but only allows side arms or even only allows knives. Your real issue as I have mentioned in threads, please make one.. Is Upgrading the Knifes.. They should give you bonus with the Cloak or abilities.. I suggest it is the only weapon you can hold well cloaked.. Or the knife has a wider slash radius. and Automatic charge - not manual. First strike is charge no matter what if you hold knifes for a time out for charge time without switching. The timer would repeat - auto charge. You got any? This is the way to save the Min suit! (with built in mods on other suits, would be nice to have a knife bonus and extra slot (high or low) - Dreamer Minja 4 life.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8037	Posted - 2014.04.23 07:00:00 - [6] - Quote A work around to this is to have a Gallente scout buddy with you. A Caldari scout may see you, but he won't be able to see the Gal scout. The Gal scout can then act as a the one to kill off anyone who tries to go after you since no one can see him. And since Caldari scouts don't excel with stealth like the Minmatar, the Gal scout has a somewhat easier chance to spot him before it spots you. PC matches are generally about teamwork anyways. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 927	Posted - 2014.04.23 08:16:00 - [7] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Until recently I thought Min weaksaucity was just in the amount of skill involved in getting used to knives, but otherwise a person used to kniving would do well as a min scout. Well that perception is gone in a puff of smoke now. I've run a couple of PC matches as min Scout and I simply could not do anything useful except popping uplinks. The problem is that cal scouts completely negate you. It's impossible to sneak into position to knife anyone when you light up on everyone's passive. There is gotta be a mechanic that makes the the the stealthy knife assassin actually stealthy. Maybe a min scout suit variant that drops sig through the floor but only allows side arms or even only allows knives. This is the reason I would like to see the knife bonus on the gal scout (instead on the scan range bonus) this would make so much more sense as gallente are the cqc experts and the most stealthiest faction....but CCP's logic went a different way
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2628	Posted - 2014.04.23 09:04:00 - [8] - Quote 1) Cal Scout second most popular suit for a reason 2) You only pop on the Cal Scouts passive, passive results aren't scanned 3) I feel for you bro Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 1172	Posted - 2014.04.23 09:25:00 - [9] - Quote Dampeners Yes its a ***** not running kins or codebreakers but there it is. The mere threat of a Cal scout negates the ability to play on many of your strengths. But then again what's the point in being a saboteur and assassin if your going to get caught easily? You'll still be able to hack well but not in an impressive way Knives are ok though. I personally hate to rely on them but its an option. I save all my interesting low slot options for the Proto suit, but even then just one module "...and all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death."
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2948	Posted - 2014.04.23 10:24:00 - [10] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: 2) You only pop on the Cal Scouts passive, passive results aren't scanned Wrong - all passive scans are shared. Confirmed as so since 1.7 (possibly earlier). Cal scouts aren't actually that great because they can only get their passive scan out to about 60m with their 2 lows. That said, in PC they will likely have one in each main battle area and held objectives to pick up sneaky minmatar cloaked hackers. You'll have to sacrifice your codebreakers in favour of dampeners if you want to be useful for sneak-hacks. If you're just knifing, use your team mates as distractions, so even if a cal scout does pick you up whilst flanking, the enemy will be too engaged with the main crowd to turn towards you. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts

Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1036	Posted - 2014.04.24 06:09:00 - [11] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Dampeners Yes its a ***** not running kins or codebreakers but there it is. The mere threat of a Cal scout negates the ability to play on many of your strengths. But then again what's the point in being a saboteur and assassin if your going to get caught easily? You'll still be able to hack well but not in an impressive way Knives are ok though. I personally hate to rely on them but its an option. I save all my interesting low slot options for the Proto suit, but even then just one module Knives are a fail in PC for no other reason but the fact that everyone who is not running cal scout is running gal heavy - and you can't pop those with a charged strike and wont have a chance to strike 2ce anyone who is worth killing. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1036	Posted - 2014.04.24 06:13:00 - [12] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: 2) You only pop on the Cal Scouts passive, passive results aren't scanned Wrong - all passive scans are shared. Confirmed as so since 1.7 (possibly earlier). Cal scouts aren't actually that great because they can only get their passive scan out to about 60m with their 2 lows. That said, in PC they will likely have one in each main battle area and held objectives to pick up sneaky minmatar cloaked hackers. You'll have to sacrifice your codebreakers in favour of dampeners if you want to be useful for sneak-hacks. If you're just knifing, use your team mates as distractions, so even if a cal scout does pick you up whilst flanking, the enemy will be too engaged with the main crowd to turn towards you. The thing is though is that unless your are pulling your own weight you are not really needed in competitive games. No one would tag along just to accomodate you and be a bait. On a separate note - can two complex dampeners defeat a fully decked out cal scout with full array of precision enhancers? PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Rusty Shallows 1643	Posted - 2014.04.24 06:53:00 - [13] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: On a separate note - can two complex dampeners defeat a fully decked out cal scout with full array of precision enhancers? The answer is not pretty. On the Minja ALT I run a single complex to get under the majority of threats. Caldari Scouts with Precision Enhancers not withstanding. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Sollemnis Aelinos 89th IMMORTAL ORDER 133	Posted - 2014.04.24 09:01:00 - [14] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Dampeners Yes its a ***** not running kins or codebreakers but there it is. The mere threat of a Cal scout negates the ability to play on many of your strengths. But then again what's the point in being a saboteur and assassin if your going to get caught easily? You'll still be able to hack well but not in an impressive way Knives are ok though. I personally hate to rely on them but its an option. I save all my interesting low slot options for the Proto suit, but even then just one module Knives are a fail in PC for no other reason but the fact that everyone who is not running cal scout is running gal heavy - and you can't pop those with a charged strike and wont have a chance to strike 2ce anyone who is worth killing. i beg to differ, i usually ohk most gal heave with a single charged strike, but this was based in pubs. never been in a pc so i cant say how different gal heavys are in there Think about the reason you are born look inwars to learn the truth You'er born to develop your soul
X7 lion SWAMPERIUM 166	Posted - 2014.04.24 10:54:00 - [15] - Quote I use the gallenete scout suit, its better over all, 4 lows is to useful for a speed scout. as far as im concerned gallente is supreme scout, but really it all comes down to play style & if you cant find the play style that a suit require at least to some extent your going to suffer for it. Immortality will not protect you from me. I am death incarnate, you will die.
Doctor Day THE SUPERHEROS 114	Posted - 2014.04.24 11:41:00 - [16] - Quote sense Min scouts are hit and run,i sugest you to fit a shotgun and submachinegun Obvious troll is Obvious Join THE SUPERHEROS today :D
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1037	Posted - 2014.04.25 01:43:00 - [17] - Quote Sollemnis Aelinos wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Dampeners Yes its a ***** not running kins or codebreakers but there it is. The mere threat of a Cal scout negates the ability to play on many of your strengths. But then again what's the point in being a saboteur and assassin if your going to get caught easily? You'll still be able to hack well but not in an impressive way Knives are ok though. I personally hate to rely on them but its an option. I save all my interesting low slot options for the Proto suit, but even then just one module Knives are a fail in PC for no other reason but the fact that everyone who is not running cal scout is running gal heavy - and you can't pop those with a charged strike and wont have a chance to strike 2ce anyone who is worth killing. i beg to differ, i usually ohk most gal heave with a single charged strike, but this was based in pubs. never been in a pc so i cant say how different gal heavys are in there different. full tanked proto PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3510	Posted - 2014.04.25 01:47:00 - [18] - Quote Perhaps it would be a better suit if you only had the fitting stats necessary to bling out your fit. Level 3 Forum Warrior
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 5966	Posted - 2014.04.25 01:56:00 - [19] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Perhaps it would be a better suit if you only had the fitting stats necessary to bling out your fit. Nope. Good luck as a minja OP, I'd recommend a hacking mod/kincat, hiding from a call scout will remove your balls as far as your other strengths go. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 393	Posted - 2014.04.25 02:52:00 - [20] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Until recently I thought Min weaksaucity was just in the amount of skill involved in getting used to knives, but otherwise a person used to kniving would do well as a min scout. Well that perception is gone in a puff of smoke now. I've run a couple of PC matches as min Scout and I simply could not do anything useful except popping uplinks. The problem is that cal scouts completely negate you. It's impossible to sneak into position to knife anyone when you light up on everyone's passive. There is gotta be a mechanic that makes the the the stealthy knife assassin actually stealthy. Maybe a min scout suit variant that drops sig through the floor but only allows side arms or even only allows knives. Not really. The problem is the Min scout is just not fast enough to make up for the lack of base HP it has. This is problematic when you have the lowest PG out of all the scouts and what is even more disturbing is that while the Min scout has 3 Low slots, the caldari scout has 2 Low slots and has 6 more PG on the proto suit! But yea something needs to be done for both the Amarr and Minmatar Scouts to make them more viable. (You don't see them as much as Caldari and Gallente scouts making it pretty evident something is wrong) "One does not simply" run 11.12 m/s. You do it with 63.00 Stamina Regen.

Bormir1r Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 393	Posted - 2014.04.25 02:53:00 - [21] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Until recently I thought Min weaksaucity was just in the amount of skill involved in getting used to knives, but otherwise a person used to kniving would do well as a min scout. Well that perception is gone in a puff of smoke now. I've run a couple of PC matches as min Scout and I simply could not do anything useful except popping uplinks. The problem is that cal scouts completely negate you. It's impossible to sneak into position to knife anyone when you light up on everyone's passive. There is gotta be a mechanic that makes the the the stealthy knife assassin actually stealthy. Maybe a min scout suit variant that drops sig through the floor but only allows side arms or even only allows knives. This is the reason I would like to see the knife bonus on the gal scout (instead on the scan range bonus) this would make so much more sense as gallente are the cqc experts and the most stealthiest faction....but CCP's logic went a different way Then what's supposed to happen to the Min scout? "One does not simply" run 11.12 m/s. You do it with 63.00 Stamina Regen.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 914	Posted - 2014.04.25 02:55:00 - [22] - Quote Knives have no place in PC, which kind of sucks. Best to run your Minnie with all damps or 2 damps and a codebreaker. You are essentially the hacker, but you rely so much on your cloak. Never be aggressive with your knives. I like your idea for a knifing suit, would be nice if we had a bunch of specialty suits like that.


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