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Foxbat 071 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 159	Posted - 2014.04.22 00:19:00 - [1] - Quote The results are in! I have gathered 115 responses to the survey I conducted last week. The purpose of this survey was to observe the differences between players involved in PC and players who aren't in terms of their wallets. One of the most popular arguments on these forums is that players involved in PC are the 1% and that other player must go standard/militia to survive. My intention is to evaluate the numerical accuracy of that argument. I personally have never made a dime off of PC. However, I do have a modest wallet. At the end of the day, I don't consider myself on either side of the argument. DISCLAIMER: Data may not represent the DUST 514 player base to 100% accuracy. The player base includes tens of thousands of players. This survey has a sample size of 115. Results: Player Breakdown- PC Corp vs Non-PC Corp chart 1 chart 2 20% of subjects are members of a district owning corporation-----------------------average 297.5 million ISK 80% of subjects are members of a corporation that does not own districts-------average 138.7 million ISK Player Breakdown- PC Incomechart 1 chart 2 5% of subjects have a large income from PC--------- average 432.4 million ISK 13% of subjects have a small income from PC------ average 303.1 million ISK 82% of subjects have no income from PC------------- average 132.6 million ISK Conclusion After seeing the average ISK for each type of player, it's clear that players involved in PC do have an edge on other players in terms of ISK. This was no surprise. However, the average wallet size of players who do not make ISK from PC is a surprising 132.6 million. This number is likely much higher than the actual average due to the fact that this survey was taken by forum-goers, who are more likely to be dedicated players. However, this is still quite a large sum of ISK. TL;DR- The average ISK of players who make a lot of money from PC is 432.4 million ISK. The average ISK of players who do not make money from PC is 132.6 million ISK. What do you think about the results? Are you surprised? Does this change your opinion on the "One Percent" of Dust? *BLAP* ( X ) Call For Help ( O ) Respawn
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3556	Posted - 2014.04.22 00:23:00 - [2] - Quote Not surprised if people fight to own something and they are putting there ISK on the line they should have the most ISK... But currently many of the corps in PC don't fight and the entire PC system is broken so what do i know. Those are the opinions of the 1% of the 1% Sir Hadah for CPM
Ander Thedas Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 523	Posted - 2014.04.22 00:26:00 - [3] - Quote Hm, not entirely sure what I was expecting but the results are interesting. I think I would have expected a slightly larger disparity, but that's assuming that the data is representative of the actual community. Still, good to see the questions being asked. Omnia mutantur nihil interit FW lvl10 reward
CRYPT3C W0LF SilenT AngelS RISE of LEGION 622	Posted - 2014.04.22 00:30:00 - [4] - Quote huh, my average wallet size is 2 million I Make Youtube Videos!:) Forum evolution, the cycle must continue...
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7066	Posted - 2014.04.22 00:30:00 - [5] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Not surprised if people fight to own something and they are putting there ISK on the line they should have the most ISK... But currently many of the corps in PC don't fight and the entire PC system is broken so what do i know. Indeed. It costs a lot of money to be in PC when you factor in all the cost of PRO Dropsuits, Vehicles, and Equipment. I believe that's also what makes the end-match payouts so high. I wish CCP would just adjust the clone packs. Make them 150-200 and you'll see a lot more people fighting DNS. HAV > Infantry > AV < HAV [s]Text[/s] <------ That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3557	Posted - 2014.04.22 00:32:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Not surprised if people fight to own something and they are putting there ISK on the line they should have the most ISK... But currently many of the corps in PC don't fight and the entire PC system is broken so what do i know. Indeed. It costs a lot of money to be in PC when you factor in all the cost of PRO Dropsuits, Vehicles, and Equipment. I believe that's also what makes the end-match payouts so high. I wish CCP would just adjust the clone packs. Make them 150-200 and you'll see a lot more people fighting DNS. It's not even that, even with clone packs out to many corps are to scared to even try to fight... Sir Hadah for CPM
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 114	Posted - 2014.04.22 00:33:00 - [7] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Not surprised if people fight to own something and they are putting there ISK on the line they should have the most ISK... But currently many of the corps in PC don't fight and the entire PC system is broken so what do i know. Those are the opinions of the 1% of the 1% They are not defending anything its to hard to win a PC with a clone pack (120 clones) against a district with 300-400 clones. There is no risk. DNS has right now 96.73% of the districts. PC is a ISK printing machine right now.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9614	Posted - 2014.04.22 00:33:00 - [8] - Quote No one asked me about my ISK values? I have 6 Million.....thats it. All of your over 50 Mill are 1%ers to me "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
Rusty Shallows 1617	Posted - 2014.04.22 00:36:00 - [9] - Quote CRYPT3C W0LF wrote: huh, my average wallet size is 2 million If your ISK expenditures equal the match needs then you've achieved perfect equilibrium. Not a bad place to be in a game that seems designed to seed chaos and sorrow. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7066	Posted - 2014.04.22 00:36:00 - [10] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: It's not even that, even with clone packs out to many corps are to scared to even try to fight... Not much can be done about them, though you've still got corps like What The French and 0uter.Heaven fighting, and then those dudes from Caps And Mercs giving us some good fights as well. I'm sure they'd be pushing harder if they could risk pushing harder without having a near-guaranteed loss due to only having 120 clones to work with. HAV > Infantry > AV < HAV [s]Text[/s] <------ That's how you make a strike-through -HAND

Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7066	Posted - 2014.04.22 00:37:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: No one asked me about my ISK values? I have 6 Million.....thats it. All of your over 50 Mill are 1%ers to me I see you still haven't recovered from Pre 1.7 days huh? HAV > Infantry > AV < HAV [s]Text[/s] <------ That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7067	Posted - 2014.04.22 00:39:00 - [12] - Quote Odigos Ellinas wrote: They are not defending anything its to hard to win a PC with a clone pack (120 clones) against a district with 300-400 clones. There is no risk. DNS has right now 96.73% of the districts. PC is a ISK printing machine right now. Planetary Conquest has always been an ISK printing machine. It's just that now there's only 1 hand pressing the print button. HAV > Infantry > AV < HAV [s]Text[/s] <------ That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Foxbat 071 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 160	Posted - 2014.04.22 00:40:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Not surprised if people fight to own something and they are putting there ISK on the line they should have the most ISK... But currently many of the corps in PC don't fight and the entire PC system is broken so what do i know. Indeed. It costs a lot of money to be in PC when you factor in all the cost of PRO Dropsuits, Vehicles, and Equipment. I believe that's also what makes the end-match payouts so high. I wish CCP would just adjust the clone packs. Make them 150-200 and you'll see a lot more people fighting DNS. Excuse my ignorance... How much are clone packs? *BLAP* ( X ) Call For Help ( O ) Respawn
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 484	Posted - 2014.04.22 00:40:00 - [14] - Quote Man I'm broke as hell. I average around 20 mil. But I do fly ads from time to time and that eats a hole in my wallet. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7067	Posted - 2014.04.22 00:41:00 - [15] - Quote Foxbat 071 wrote: Excuse my ignorance... How much are clone packs? 36m ISK, and you receive 120 Clones. HAV > Infantry > AV < HAV [s]Text[/s] <------ That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Patrick57 7133	Posted - 2014.04.22 00:42:00 - [16] - Quote I only have 20 million ISK. Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -William Shakespeare
Odigos Ellinas Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 115	Posted - 2014.04.22 01:39:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: Odigos Ellinas wrote: They are not defending anything its to hard to win a PC with a clone pack (120 clones) against a district with 300-400 clones. There is no risk. DNS has right now 96.73% of the districts. PC is a ISK printing machine right now. Planetary Conquest has always been an ISK printing machine. It's just that now there's only 1 hand pressing the print button. Never said something else. Its and it was a ISK printing machine the can be dominated by a small group. Like EON in the past and DNS now.( i don't remember who it was before EON ) Don't take it personal. I just don't like the mechanics how PC works. To have 1-3 A teams and dominate a game mode is not fun. Quality madders now thats good bud quantity should madders also. DNS is talking about good fights and a lot of them are happening. Thats a lie. You don't have to lose something and the fights are under conditions that favorite DNS.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 291	Posted - 2014.04.22 01:45:00 - [18] - Quote Not particularly surprised, little disappointed I'm under the average non pc isk balance but not by too much lol, and it is a pretty small cross section. Welcome to you're "DOOM"
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 1737	Posted - 2014.04.22 01:46:00 - [19] - Quote I'm surprised that the average non-PC player's wallet is so flush.... for sure. Guess I'm not the only dude saving 'da ISK.... not sure what I'm saving it for, I guess I just like going ISK positive. Double posting like a Kaiser.
General John Ripper 20369	Posted - 2014.04.22 01:48:00 - [20] - Quote I am apart of the 5% Stop liking my posts!! Your killing me!!! Noo! Arrgghhh!!!

Kaughst Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 405	Posted - 2014.04.22 03:17:00 - [21] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Atiim wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Not surprised if people fight to own something and they are putting there ISK on the line they should have the most ISK... But currently many of the corps in PC don't fight and the entire PC system is broken so what do i know. Indeed. It costs a lot of money to be in PC when you factor in all the cost of PRO Dropsuits, Vehicles, and Equipment. I believe that's also what makes the end-match payouts so high. I wish CCP would just adjust the clone packs. Make them 150-200 and you'll see a lot more people fighting DNS. It's not even that, even with clone packs out to many corps are to scared to even try to fight... Sometimes it sounds like some people just want DNS corps to fight each other so they can just realigned themselves to the corps that break off, have them fight their battles for them and then restart the process all over again of people forming strong alliances all so they can own a district at the expense of the more experienced corps. "He said he has a alt in STB." "Everyone has a alt in STB."
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1809	Posted - 2014.04.22 03:34:00 - [22] - Quote cool ****, but i have a couple of questions. which corps were surveyed? how did you pick them? how old(game time) were the players you surveyed? did you have them send some sort of verification on did you trust them at their word? do you feel that your data is representative of the community? does your sample represent npc corp players as well? were their any outliers in the data set or was wealth distribution fairly Consistent between tiers? you say your sample was 115 people. could you post a Doc containing the numbers? names can be left out for privacy but I'd be interested in seeing some other charts, look at the mean, median, mode, ect, and put it on a bell curve. really cool stuff though thanks for posting it! "I speak for the trees!" Ko6 scout,
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3569	Posted - 2014.04.22 03:46:00 - [23] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: cool ****, but i have a couple of questions. which corps were surveyed? how did you pick them? how old(game time) were the players you surveyed? did you have them send some sort of verification on did you trust them at their word? do you feel that your data is representative of the community? does your sample represent npc corp players as well? were their any outliers in the data set or was wealth distribution fairly Consistent between tiers? you say your sample was 115 people. could you post a Doc containing the numbers? names can be left out for privacy but I'd be interested in seeing some other charts, look at the mean, median, mode, ect, and put it on a bell curve. really cool stuff though thanks for posting it! Dust is super serious bidnus Sir Hadah for CPM
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9617	Posted - 2014.04.22 03:50:00 - [24] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: No one asked me about my ISK values? I have 6 Million.....thats it. All of your over 50 Mill are 1%ers to me I see you still haven't recovered from Pre 1.7 days huh? Nope...and back then I was in the hundred of Millions...... trying to use Soma for an entire 3-4 builds, then Million ISK turrets, all with less than 4 Million into vehicles crippled my accounts. "Get thine Swag out of my face! Next you'll be writing #YOLOswagforJamyl in all your posts!" -Dagger Two
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1809	Posted - 2014.04.22 04:00:00 - [25] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: knight of 6 wrote: cool ****, but i have a couple of questions. which corps were surveyed? how did you pick them? how old(game time) were the players you surveyed? did you have them send some sort of verification on did you trust them at their word? do you feel that your data is representative of the community? does your sample represent npc corp players as well? were their any outliers in the data set or was wealth distribution fairly Consistent between tiers? you say your sample was 115 people. could you post a Doc containing the numbers? names can be left out for privacy but I'd be interested in seeing some other charts, look at the mean, median, mode, ect, and put it on a bell curve. really cool stuff though thanks for posting it! Dust is super serious bidnus soo, uhhh "I speak for the trees!" Ko6 scout,
Foxbat 071 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.04.22 04:19:00 - [26] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: cool **, but i have a couple of questions. which corps were surveyed? how did you pick them? how old(game time) were the players you surveyed? did you have them send some sort of verification on did you trust them at their word? do you feel that your data is representative of the community? does your sample represent npc corp players as well? were their any outliers in the data set or was wealth distribution fairly Consistent between tiers? you say your sample was 115 people. could you post a Doc containing the numbers? names can be left out for privacy but I'd be interested in seeing some other charts, look at the mean, median, mode, ect, and put it on a bell curve. really cool stuff though thanks for posting it! Here is the post I made to collect the responses: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155824 I didn't pick anyone, I just left it up to anyone who saw it here in the forums. I didn't ask what corp they are in or ask them how long they have been playing, just: 1. How much ISK do you have? 2. Does your corp own districts? 3. Do you make a) a lot from PC b) a little from PC c) none from PC I don't think this data is necessarily representative of the entire DUST community, but I do think it speaks to a degree for the forum community. There are probably thousands of <5mil SP newberries who don't visit the forum and struggle with their ISK that were not accounted for here. If you'd like more specifics of the sample you are welcome to check out the google doc of the results: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AunX9-3bE7GjdHk4bnR5S2lld2ZqYks2Q3ktV29vc0E&usp=sharing I originally planned to do fancy stuff with bell curves and whatnot but when I got to that part I realized I had forgot everything I learned in statistics BLAP** ( X ) Call For Help ( O ) Respawn
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 572	Posted - 2014.04.22 06:08:00 - [27] - Quote I don't PC (Not for a long while now.....) I don't receive/accept handouts. I don't CO Corp Tax Farm. I don't have an ISK Printer, yet I live within the biggest ISK Farming Greenhouse. I constantly donate randomly to Pub Randoms I join on a whim. I was Pure Tank B4 it was "Cool" and profitable. I try not to Tank, so I go Logi to avoid FOTM QQers. I often play Solo. I rarely even hop on to play anymore, for a long while now..... I have 1.1 Bil ISK. What % am I???
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2947	Posted - 2014.04.23 07:13:00 - [28] - Quote You should use the median, rather than the average; average is thrown way off by outliers; median will give a clearer picture. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
ISK Donation Collector PPC Conglomerate 48	Posted - 2014.04.23 11:23:00 - [29] - Quote All you 1%ers should donate today. If you don't own a district and want to see your ISK put to good use then donate, if you are in a corp that owns a district and just want to spend some ISK then please give to the cause. Thank you for your time and please consider donating today. Donate ISK to me and help fund PC change! We CAN take PC back & allow smaller corps to have a chance at having a home.
Cpl Foster USMC Sniper Research Lab 740	Posted - 2014.04.23 13:00:00 - [30] - Quote Good stuff....thought I was rich....now i'm back to Upper Upper Middle Class..... Semper Fidelis

R F Gyro Clones 4u 1307	Posted - 2014.04.23 15:47:00 - [31] - Quote People with lots of ISK will take your survey to find out how they compare to other rich players. Players without much ISK won't bother even looking at it. Interesting results anyway. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Tallen Ellecon 1801	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:42:00 - [32] - Quote This doesn't take into account the large portion of ISK from PC that goes into pub matches in the form of proto suits and tanks. Supporter of tiericide, EVE interaction, and a proper NPE SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2319	Posted - 2014.04.23 16:48:00 - [33] - Quote Yeah you should have asked some more questions. I'm pretty convinced that a lot of people's income (although you really are talking about savings) is LARGELY skewed toward beta players who got isk from the vehicle/loot rebate.


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