The speed thing is definitely an issue I have brought up before.
Having a module that boosts our speed to unrealistic level only serves to unbalance AV as it cannot adequately target such a mobile armoured vehicle is poor. This module serves as a crutch for tankers as it allows them to get out of a fight altogether too quickly.

The Swarmers thing..... its tricky. Swarms have poor damage progression per tier, as you..or Magnus said few weapons actively see a 50% damage increase between basic and proto.

With per rates the way they are they completely invalidate the damage of swarms because of travel time.

If missile travel time was faster I believe it would go a long way to balancing out Swarms and make them a much more viable AV weapon than they currently are.

I am wholly against direct damage buffs of AV weapons, and nerfs of vehicles. But what tweaks could we discuss than might aid AV vs Vehicles, bearing of course that any buffs to AV directly also impact vehicle balance vs light frame vehicles such as DS and LAV and in future vs MAV and MTAC.

Swarms are ok right now.

Vehicle speed is good. Don't forget they sacrafise a slot for speed.

M1 Abrams, third generation MBT, also the fastest of MERICAS commissioned MBTs is to slow and old. If there is this ( http://www.funker530.com/pl-01-future-stealth-tank-unveiled-by-poland/ ) in POLAND i want cloaked HAVs.

( its a game dude nothing to do with the reality )

That's what I've always said. Tweaks, not overhaul. If we can keep our current system, but work out balancing problems, we wouldn't have the Godtank problem anymore and we can go on to liking this game again.
Tankers keep thinking I'm trying to nerf the crap out of tanks and throw AV to it's Godmode back in pre-1.7 days. I don't want that; I'm really as much of a tanker as the average person. But, I'm disappointed with the current system as it is far too tricky and far too imperfect for us to be able to make any sort of adequate countermeasures on a tanker that has more than 4,000,000 SP into tanks.

Did you like 1.6 Tanking?

It was better than this crap. At least then a Soma couldn't be invincible in the right hands, and tanks couldn't perma-harden or stack them to be temporarily invincible.

You could run 3 hardeners in 1.6 and be permanently or nearly permanently hardened as well as stack them for heavy resistances, and they were -25% damage, same as they are now.

I am slowly beginning to think the only reason AVer were every very good is because they wouldn't render past 50m......

Well what I'm getting at is I think the issue is more with the nerf to AV and less the mechanics of the vehicles themselves.

In 1.6 I would frequently solo kill tanks with a militia swarm launcher and standard packed AV grenades, and I'm not very good at AV. I think that was a little ridiculous, but I also think 1.7 went too far in terms of nerfing AV.

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A large part of the issue is the effectiveness of the blaster against infantry. The fact that a swarm launcher can barely get outside of the blaster's range and still get a lock on is very problematic. Blasters need a range nerf, as they are supposed to be the shortest range turret in the game.

That short range however should also come with terrifying DPS, but right now even point blank, a Railgun outclasses a Blaster in nearly every way. However we dont want an increase in the Blaster's DPS to make the Anti-Infantry issue worse. Aside from range, the blaster's near pinpoint accuracy and high fire rate make it exceptionally good at killing personnel.

By decreasing the fire rate and accuracy of the Large Blaster, but increasing the damage per shot, you make the Blaster less effective against infantry but better as a short range AV weapon.Not only does this allow for infantry to better engage the Large Blaster outside of its absolute range, it encourages tankers to equip Small Turrets for their teammates to use to defend the tank against infantry.

Ultimately this discourages solo HAV play unless the pilots intention is to fight only other vehicles, and encourages group play as it puts a higher value on smaller turrets and a lower value on large turrets in terms of dealing with infantry.

Well what I'm getting at is I think the issue is more with the nerf to AV and less the mechanics of the vehicles themselves.

In 1.6 I would frequently solo kill tanks with a militia swarm launcher and standard packed AV grenades, and I'm not very good at AV. I think that was a little ridiculous, but I also think 1.7 went too far in terms of nerfing AV.

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A large part of the issue is the effectiveness of the blaster against infantry. The fact that a swarm launcher can barely get outside of the blaster's range and still get a lock on is very problematic. Blasters need a range nerf, as they are supposed to be the shortest range turret in the game.

That short range however should also come with terrifying DPS, but right now even point blank, a Railgun outclasses a Blaster in nearly every way. However we dont want an increase in the Blaster's DPS to make the Anti-Infantry issue worse. Aside from range, the blaster's near pinpoint accuracy and high fire rate make it exceptionally good at killing personnel.

By decreasing the fire rate and accuracy of the Large Blaster, but increasing the damage per shot, you make the Blaster less effective against infantry but better as a short range AV weapon.Not only does this allow for infantry to better engage the Large Blaster outside of its absolute range, it encourages tankers to equip Small Turrets for their teammates to use to defend the tank against infantry.

Ultimately this discourages solo HAV play unless the pilots intention is to fight only other vehicles, and encourages group play as it puts a higher value on smaller turrets and a lower value on large turrets in terms of dealing with infantry.

AV light weapons should never never solo a HAV. It's a light weapon. Right now it dose great work in denying ground to a vehicle and to support heavy AV weapons and ather vehicles. The easiest way to destroy vehicles should always be a ather vehicle. A high slot could be a shield extender/booster/hardener. You guys want to solo HAVs but refuse to get inside one to get the job done.

AV light weapons should never never solo a HAV. It's a light weapon. Right now it dose great work in denying ground to a vehicle and to support heavy AV weapons and ather vehicles. The easiest way to destroy vehicles should always be a ather vehicle. A high slot could be a shield extender/booster/hardener. You guys want to solo HAVs but refuse to get inside one to get the job done.

You could run 3 hardeners in 1.6 and be permanently or nearly permanently hardened as well as stack them for heavy resistances, and they were -25% damage, same as they are now.

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Also if memory serves, active armor repairers had a downtime that was about double the uptime, meaning they had an overall uptime of about 33%. They also however repped (after skills) close to 400 hp/s which is around triple the current continual repping amount, meaning that the overall repping over time wasn't all that different.

Again I don't have the 1.6 numbers in front of me so if I'm completely off my rocker I apologize. Just presenting something to think about.

I always wanted a PLC turret for my blaster.

You have a rather valid point, but even if we did something as taking the range of the blaster down or reducing it's RoF, this still doesn't solve a lot of the problems in tanks, like their ridiculous speed or the permahardened/superhardened tanks. And honestly, we can't do anything to either vehicles or AV without someone on one side getting mortally pissed off.

Never forget we are missing the amarr and minmatar light AV weapon. Swarms are ok right now. Why not talk about the Plasma Cannon the worst light AV weapon in the game. Vehicle speed is good. Don't forget they sacrafise a slot for speed. Swarms are light weapons not heavy weapons. The best way to deal with vehicles are vehicles. And that's a good fun way.