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Scheneighnay McBob
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4850
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:42:00 -
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I've been using this to keep track of what modules have been used the most. If it isn't obvious, it makes a fit using the most popular items on the market.
What I'm trying to point out isn't that gallente scouts and cloaks are still the most bought- it's that just under 60% of all high slot mods bought in the last 10 days are shield extenders, while just under 70% of all low slot mods bought are armor plates.
Seriously?
I've been making it a point recently to use health mods very sparingly, and it has had no negative effect on me whatsoever; meanwhile, the vast majority of the community is apparently brick tanking, even with "useless" shield extenders, which I agree are far less useful than damage mods and shield rechargers.
This isn't Call of Halo, cover is a legitimate thing, even if you're a sentinel.
This message has been brought to you by the coalition of buffer tanks and utility fits
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Scheneighnay McBob
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4850
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:43:00 -
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Side question: why is the magsec SMG as popular as it is? It's not even that good.
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Delta90212
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
411
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:45:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Side question: why is the magsec SMG as popular as it is? It's not even that good.
It's quite good if you can control its recoil.
Fear The Tribes // In Rust We Trust // Standings Minmatar 6 // Minmatar Logibro //
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
Proficiency V.
1072
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:45:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Side question: why is the magsec SMG as popular as it is? It's not even that good.
Because for once people like something and use it even though its not fotm material.
I <3 girl gamers
Tears, sweet delicious tears
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General John Ripper
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:46:00 -
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Tacos
Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed.
Everytime I get a like, Two more bugs are born.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4850
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:46:00 -
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Delta90212 wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Side question: why is the magsec SMG as popular as it is? It's not even that good. It's quite good if you can control its recoil.
Still not as good as the SMG
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Sourdough Muffins
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
211
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:47:00 -
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People complaining about the Brick Tank scouts still? The issue isn't the Scouts. Example fitting below that I was running last night for LOLs on my main. It Sprints at 7 m/s(faster than Brick Tanker Scouts) and has 1022 eHP. It also only costs about 11K ISK per suit.
Fatbro Scout -- Militia Minmatar Heavy
1x Complex Shield Extender
1x Complex Kincat
STD Combat Rifle
STD SMG
1x Locus Grenade |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
1227
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:48:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Side question: why is the magsec SMG as popular as it is? It's not even that good. First thanks for the link.
I have seen them in the kill feed but have not used them yet. I have PRO level SMG Skills and they shred Reds just find. Even the Toxin SMG. A few of my squad mates use them and I will ask them the next time we connect on Dust.
And so it goes.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4851
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:48:00 -
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Sourdough Muffins wrote:People complaining about the Brick Tank scouts still? The issue isn't the Scouts. Example fitting below that I was running last night for LOLs on my main. It Sprints at 7 m/s(faster than Brick Tanker Scouts) and has 1022 eHP.
Fatbro Scout -- Militia Minmatar Heavy
1x Complex Shield Extender
1x Complex Kincat
STD Combat Rifle
STD SMG
1x Locus Grenade
Not bricked-tanked scouts: brick-tanked ******* EVERYTHING apparently.
I'm from the weird side of the internet
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2590
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Posted - 2014.04.20 22:05:00 -
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The Tryhardinator, lol.
When the cloak field is the most popular equipmemt, you know something is wrong.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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Clone D
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Posted - 2014.04.20 22:13:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Seriously?
I guess they were dying too much and wanted to take some extra damage. I have noticed a huge increase in the number of heavies I've had to eliminate lately.
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
908
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Posted - 2014.04.20 22:18:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:The Tryhardinator, lol.
When the cloak field is the most popular equipmemt, you know something is wrong.
Well to be fair, it's also the newest thing in the game so it's numbers would be inflated regardless.
Not saying it wouldn't be, but let's not bring the pitchforks merely because something is new.
I'd be more concerned that REs are the second most bought equipment. |
Mike De Luca
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2014.04.20 22:19:00 -
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General John Ripper wrote:Tacos
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Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
222
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Posted - 2014.04.20 22:23:00 -
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Sourdough Muffins wrote:People complaining about the Brick Tank scouts still? The issue isn't the Scouts. Example fitting below that I was running last night for LOLs on my main. It Sprints at 7 m/s(faster than Brick Tanker Scouts) and has 1022 eHP. It also only costs about 11K ISK per suit.
Fatbro Scout -- Militia Minmatar Heavy
1x Complex Shield Extender
1x Complex Kincat
STD Combat Rifle
STD SMG
1x Locus Grenade
now i want to try that with ADV MIN HVY
Precision enhancers.. more kin-cats
rs90 and toxin
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
188
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Posted - 2014.04.20 22:23:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I've been using this to keep track of what modules have been used the most. If it isn't obvious, it makes a fit using the most popular items on the market. What I'm trying to point out isn't that gallente scouts and cloaks are still the most bought- it's that just under 60% of all high slot mods bought in the last 10 days are shield extenders, while just under 70% of all low slot mods bought are armor plates. Seriously? I've been making it a point recently to use health mods very sparingly, and it has had no negative effect on me whatsoever; meanwhile, the vast majority of the community is apparently brick tanking, even with "useless" shield extenders, which I agree are far less useful than damage mods and shield rechargers. This isn't Call of Halo, cover is a legitimate thing, even if you're a sentinel. This message has been brought to you by the coalition of buffer tanks and utility fits
Shield tanking is a serious strategy. I have a speed/shield tanked proto Min Scout and have some serious success....also sometimes not so much. 2 cplx Shield regs, enhanced kinkat, 3 cplx extenders and the rest is normal. I just use it to drop RE's in places and get grenades in places. I almost never fire my weapon in a fire fight. It works incredibly well.
I must admit the brick tanking is an issue. I believe that there should be greater speed reductions for armor plates. I think 6% for basic, 7% for enhanced, and 8% for complex. I promise, you'll see a lot less double plated scouts. |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
1229
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Posted - 2014.04.20 22:23:00 -
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Clone D wrote:
I guess they were dying too much and wanted to take some extra damage. I have noticed a huge increase in the number of heavies I've had to eliminate lately.
This.
The combat and rail rifles negate heavies traditional weapons. If CQC then the HMG prevails, but the maps have few places that work and the Heavy has to hustle (slowly) to get there. The laser has been revived so basically why bother? Brick and fight back. At least stay alive long enough to pop the other Merc.
Although, I might try the Militia Minmatar setup on my alt. Just to see if it works. For research. 
I hit a heavy yesterday with a Rail Gun and he still had 1/3 armor left. I didn't check the numbers although I wish I had now. My alt could take one hit and survive. But his remaining armor was miniscule, < 100hp.
And so it goes.
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Seymor Krelborn
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
2015
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Posted - 2014.04.20 22:26:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I've been using this to keep track of what modules have been used the most. If it isn't obvious, it makes a fit using the most popular items on the market. What I'm trying to point out isn't that gallente scouts and cloaks are still the most bought- it's that just under 60% of all high slot mods bought in the last 10 days are shield extenders, while just under 70% of all low slot mods bought are armor plates. Seriously? I've been making it a point recently to use health mods very sparingly, and it has had no negative effect on me whatsoever; meanwhile, the vast majority of the community is apparently brick tanking, even with "useless" shield extenders, which I agree are far less useful than damage mods and shield rechargers. This isn't Call of Halo, cover is a legitimate thing, even if you're a sentinel. This message has been brought to you by the coalition of buffer tanks and utility fits
actually no, cover is not a legitimate thing. I have been shot through walls and boxes more often than I can count and died from it more often than I care to admit...
this game makes me sad....
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
188
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Posted - 2014.04.20 22:27:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Clone D wrote:
I guess they were dying too much and wanted to take some extra damage. I have noticed a huge increase in the number of heavies I've had to eliminate lately.
This. The combat and rail rifles negate heavies traditional weapons. If CQC then the HMG prevails, but the maps have few places that work and the Heavy has to hustle (slowly) to get there. The laser has been revived so basically why bother? Brick and fight back. At least stay alive long enough to pop the other Merc. Although, I might try the Militia Minmatar setup on my alt. Just to see if it works. For research. I hit a heavy yesterday with a Rail Gun and he still had 1/3 armor left. I didn't check the numbers although I wish I had now. My alt could take one hit and survive. But his remaining armor was miniscule, < 100hp.
First off, heavies should pretty much never sprint....EVER. I walk everywhere while spinning in circles and checking every direction. I've gone whole ambushes with 10+ kills and I only made it 30 meters closer to the main fire fight. I beat CR and RR all of the time b/c I fire and walk to cover and then fire and walk to cover and fire and walk to cover. In addition, you should have some serious reps. At least double reppers at a minimum for armor. Once you get cover for a few seconds you have reasonable armor back and shields back and do it again. Heavies are so OP it's not even funny. Actually it's hilarious since I started skilling into them.
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Patrick57
7112
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Posted - 2014.04.20 22:28:00 -
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On the bright side, the Ion Pistol makes up for 7.1% of all sidearm purchases. \o/
Hell is empty and all the devils are here.
-William Shakespeare
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2592
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Posted - 2014.04.20 22:33:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:The Tryhardinator, lol.
When the cloak field is the most popular equipmemt, you know something is wrong. Well to be fair, it's also the newest thing in the game so it's numbers would be inflated regardless. Not saying it wouldn't be, but let's not bring the pitchforks merely because something is new. I'd be more concerned that REs are the second most bought equipment.
Well 3 of them kills a tank.
1 kills 90% of heavies
1 lets you supress a point against hacking for 1 attempt.
2 takes out a LAV
3 takes care of an installation.
Plus they are the only weaponised equipment, I would expect them to be popular.
They have the highest rate of return.
In addition there is no positive to higher meta level RE's, the max ammo doesnt change nor does damage.
As such people only buy more if they wa t to put more than 1 set on a suit.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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Denn Maell
PIanet Express
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
317
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Posted - 2014.04.20 23:13:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Side question: why is the magsec SMG as popular as it is? It's not even that good.
Its a Vector. It (and Bolt Pistol) actually act like real weapons, and are quite satisfying: BP for skill shots, MagSec for spraying away your failure to skill shotsGǪ
Its range superiority over the SMG is attractive also.
The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field:
One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4856
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Posted - 2014.04.20 23:18:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I've been using this to keep track of what modules have been used the most. If it isn't obvious, it makes a fit using the most popular items on the market. What I'm trying to point out isn't that gallente scouts and cloaks are still the most bought- it's that just under 60% of all high slot mods bought in the last 10 days are shield extenders, while just under 70% of all low slot mods bought are armor plates. Seriously? I've been making it a point recently to use health mods very sparingly, and it has had no negative effect on me whatsoever; meanwhile, the vast majority of the community is apparently brick tanking, even with "useless" shield extenders, which I agree are far less useful than damage mods and shield rechargers. This isn't Call of Halo, cover is a legitimate thing, even if you're a sentinel. This message has been brought to you by the coalition of buffer tanks and utility fits actually no, cover is not a legitimate thing. I have been shot through walls and boxes more often than I can count and died from it more often than I care to admit...
That would be the screwy hitbox, not cover itself- I actually killed someone today by shooting their gun.
I'm from the weird side of the internet
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dreth longbow
Bank of DUST 514
46
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Posted - 2014.04.20 23:24:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Galvan Nized wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:The Tryhardinator, lol.
When the cloak field is the most popular equipmemt, you know something is wrong. Well to be fair, it's also the newest thing in the game so it's numbers would be inflated regardless. Not saying it wouldn't be, but let's not bring the pitchforks merely because something is new. I'd be more concerned that REs are the second most bought equipment. Well 3 of them kills a tank. 1 kills 90% of heavies 1 lets you supress a point against hacking for 1 attempt. 2 takes out a LAV 3 takes care of an installation. Plus they are the only weaponised equipment, I would expect them to be popular. They have the highest rate of return. In addition there is no positive to higher meta level RE's, the max ammo doesnt change nor does damage. As such people only buy more if they wa t to put more than 1 set on a suit.
As someone who uses RE's to kill tanks, I can tell you plainly that it takes more than 3 to kill a tank, unless you use proto against an un-harden milt tank
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Heathen Bastard
The Bastard Brigade
1334
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Posted - 2014.04.20 23:38:00 -
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dreth longbow wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Galvan Nized wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:The Tryhardinator, lol.
When the cloak field is the most popular equipmemt, you know something is wrong. Well to be fair, it's also the newest thing in the game so it's numbers would be inflated regardless. Not saying it wouldn't be, but let's not bring the pitchforks merely because something is new. I'd be more concerned that REs are the second most bought equipment. Well 3 of them kills a tank. 1 kills 90% of heavies 1 lets you supress a point against hacking for 1 attempt. 2 takes out a LAV 3 takes care of an installation. Plus they are the only weaponised equipment, I would expect them to be popular. They have the highest rate of return. In addition there is no positive to higher meta level RE's, the max ammo doesnt change nor does damage. As such people only buy more if they wa t to put more than 1 set on a suit. As someone who uses RE's to kill tanks, I can tell you plainly that it takes more than 3 to kill a tank, unless you use proto against an un-harden milt tank
Stick 'em to the weak point, and flux the thing first.
If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2593
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Posted - 2014.04.21 10:36:00 -
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dreth longbow wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Galvan Nized wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:The Tryhardinator, lol.
When the cloak field is the most popular equipmemt, you know something is wrong. Well to be fair, it's also the newest thing in the game so it's numbers would be inflated regardless. Not saying it wouldn't be, but let's not bring the pitchforks merely because something is new. I'd be more concerned that REs are the second most bought equipment. Well 3 of them kills a tank. 1 kills 90% of heavies 1 lets you supress a point against hacking for 1 attempt. 2 takes out a LAV 3 takes care of an installation. Plus they are the only weaponised equipment, I would expect them to be popular. They have the highest rate of return. In addition there is no positive to higher meta level RE's, the max ammo doesnt change nor does damage. As such people only buy more if they wa t to put more than 1 set on a suit. As someone who uses RE's to kill tanks, I can tell you plainly that it takes more than 3 to kill a tank, unless you use proto against an un-harden milt tank
As I said there is no damage difference between tiers.
3 takes care of an armour tank, no problem, unless he has a plate.
While a shield tank needs to have less than 1200 Shields.
I have an Amarr Logi specifically designed for AV duties.
1x Adv Swarm Launcher
1x SMG
1x Packed AV
1x Std RE
1x Std PE
1x Adv Nanohive
You stick 2 REs to him, lob a grenade, 2 volleys of Swarms and detonate, gets the tanker every time becauuse he thinks he got away.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2593
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Posted - 2014.04.21 10:38:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:dreth longbow wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Galvan Nized wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:The Tryhardinator, lol.
When the cloak field is the most popular equipmemt, you know something is wrong. Well to be fair, it's also the newest thing in the game so it's numbers would be inflated regardless. Not saying it wouldn't be, but let's not bring the pitchforks merely because something is new. I'd be more concerned that REs are the second most bought equipment. Well 3 of them kills a tank. 1 kills 90% of heavies 1 lets you supress a point against hacking for 1 attempt. 2 takes out a LAV 3 takes care of an installation. Plus they are the only weaponised equipment, I would expect them to be popular. They have the highest rate of return. In addition there is no positive to higher meta level RE's, the max ammo doesnt change nor does damage. As such people only buy more if they wa t to put more than 1 set on a suit. As someone who uses RE's to kill tanks, I can tell you plainly that it takes more than 3 to kill a tank, unless you use proto against an un-harden milt tank Stick 'em to the weak point, and flux the thing first.
3Re's hit the weak point for 9000 dmg, before weakness and resistance is applied.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1515
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Posted - 2014.04.21 12:39:00 -
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Delta90212 wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Side question: why is the magsec SMG as popular as it is? It's not even that good. It's quite good if you can control its recoil.
It's very good... Specially when the shields are down. |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
5151
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Posted - 2014.04.21 12:56:00 -
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Delta90212 wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Side question: why is the magsec SMG as popular as it is? It's not even that good. It's quite good if you can control its recoil.
The SMG is better.
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