DUST Search - Anything to be done about the afkers?

KalOfTheRathi wrote:

Vrain Matari wrote:

The Attorney General wrote:

The only way to stop AFK'ing is to remove passive SP gain from being alive.

CCP won't do that though, because a lot of players wouldn't be able to cap out then.

Full disclosure: I'm afking right now with my heavy alt. I am not wasting ISK on an infantry toon until CCP fixes the skill bug.

This is the real answer, OP. The question you should be asking CCP and Rouge is why are they rewarding players who AFK with big, fat piles of SP in every game?

Seriously?

You should not even consider this as a possibility. CCP/Mothership drives EVE with Only Passive SP. No active WP or SP. You would not get EVE players to play Dust without passive SP. And the many gods know that EVE and its Pod Peeps are the best thing in the world to CCP/Mothership. That and their monthly rental fees ... so they can get their Passive SP.

Removing Passive SP is not going to happen. Now if Passive SP was the only solution and you could get Passive SP without having to log in, that might just work. But as long as there is Active SP then there will be AFK.

Plus, as stated above, FOTM or reactions to Day 1 OP gear/weapons will always drive AFK (and sniping as mentioned). Since this game is supported by CCP/Shanghai there will always be Day 1 OP bits.

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Niccolo deLuce Savage Bullet 40	Posted - 2014.04.20 10:36:00 - [1] - Quote Been running into a ton of players like kl0w lately, all just standing in the MCC or wherever they spawn in, and spending the entire game doing squats. His 0.04 kdr is impressive, but...
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 571	Posted - 2014.04.20 11:05:00 - [2] - Quote Most of the time its better that players like that sit in the MCC and AFK. Its 10+ more clones your team will have to try to pull out the win.
Niccolo deLuce Savage Bullet 40	Posted - 2014.04.20 11:11:00 - [3] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Most of the time its better that players like that sit in the MCC and AFK. Its 10+ more clones your team will have to try to pull out the win. Yup, yesterday morning we had 4 all doing that in the MCC. It's definitely helpful when you're already facing up against q-synched DNS teams every second game, who needed that other squad anyways?
Wilhelm Klingspor DUST University Ivy League 185	Posted - 2014.04.20 11:15:00 - [4] - Quote Also for immersion's sake, it's a silly little wardance. And to think mercs are getting paid for it... GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1224	Posted - 2014.04.20 11:17:00 - [5] - Quote It is hard to solve it would seem. Many ideas have been formulated on these forums by Mercs that either cannot code or understand coding. Plus, none of us actually have the code so who knows what might work and which simple idea will take three solid months of engineering. They did the Merc must be moving every so often thing and our AFK legion solved it with rubber bands. Effective. The game only really counts one thing. SP. Everything else counts for naught. With SP you get better gear, use less PG/CPU and have more fun killing your friends and neighbors in New Eden. If you don't have enough SP to get to the next level that you are interested in, well AFK. Forge Guns don't work, AFK. Heavy suits gonna get Nerf Hammered AFK. Bored with the daily/weekly cap that never got the roll-over it was promised to get (this SP cap solutions was a place holder, BTW) AFK. And nothing has solved it so far. In FW you can Friendly Fire them to death but it does come at a cost. How many are AFK in FW anyway? Good Luck. And so it goes.
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 537	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:06:00 - [6] - Quote Afking and Snipping are symptoms of OP fits. Every build where there is a suit that is decimating the field, afking and snippers make a comeback. Fix the fotm and the snippers and afkers will go away. Snipper DNE Sniper EP 1.8: Revenge of the Scouts.
The Attorney General 2646	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:35:00 - [7] - Quote The only way to stop AFK'ing is to remove passive SP gain from being alive. CCP won't do that though, because a lot of players wouldn't be able to cap out then. Full disclosure: I'm afking right now with my heavy alt. I am not wasting ISK on an infantry toon until CCP fixes the skill bug. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1987	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:49:00 - [8] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: The only way to stop AFK'ing is to remove passive SP gain from being alive. CCP won't do that though, because a lot of players wouldn't be able to cap out then. Full disclosure: I'm afking right now with my heavy alt. I am not wasting ISK on an infantry toon until CCP fixes the skill bug. This is the real answer, OP. The question you should be asking CCP and Rouge is why are they rewarding players who AFK with big, fat piles of SP in every game? I support SP rollover.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1987	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:59:00 - [9] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: It is hard to solve it would seem. Many ideas have been formulated on these forums by Mercs that either cannot code or understand coding. Plus, none of us actually have the code so who knows what might work and which simple idea will take three solid months of engineering. They did the Merc must be moving every so often thing and our AFK legion solved it with rubber bands. Effective. The game only really counts one thing. SP. Everything else counts for naught. With SP you get better gear, use less PG/CPU and have more fun killing your friends and neighbors in New Eden. If you don't have enough SP to get to the next level that you are interested in, well AFK. Forge Guns don't work, AFK. Heavy suits gonna get Nerf Hammered AFK. Bored with the daily/weekly cap that never got the roll-over it was promised to get (this SP cap solutions was a place holder, BTW) AFK. And nothing has solved it so far. In FW you can Friendly Fire them to death but it does come at a cost. How many are AFK in FW anyway? Good Luck. Kal, it's trivially easy to solve. I honestly believe that when CCP told us that the anti-AFK solution was 'rubber-band proof' they were lying through their teeth - i'm not blaming the dev who worked on the mechanic because they were probably being told what to say in no uncertain terms. It is simply not credible that they did not foresee a simple rubberband or weight on a thumbstick as a workaround. My opinion is that CCP is afraid, and believes that they can't afford to get rid of AFKing because it would cost them too many players. The Faustian bargain they struck by pumping out bad code is now affecting every decision they make. I support SP rollover.
Niccolo deLuce Savage Bullet 40	Posted - 2014.04.20 13:59:00 - [10] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: The Attorney General wrote: The only way to stop AFK'ing is to remove passive SP gain from being alive. CCP won't do that though, because a lot of players wouldn't be able to cap out then. Full disclosure: I'm afking right now with my heavy alt. I am not wasting ISK on an infantry toon until CCP fixes the skill bug. This is the real answer, OP. The question you should be asking CCP and Rouge is why are they rewarding players who AFK with big, fat piles of SP in every game? I agree, but I still think there needs to be some passive in battle sp. If a newberry out of academy winds up on a team of veterans, which is pretty common, then he's likely to get almost no active wp, unless he gets forced into being a support role. That takes all of the sandbox and choose-your-own-adventure out of the game, and leaves them with playing a role that they have no interest in, or just not playing anything and waiting on passive sp.

Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 476	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:18:00 - [11] - Quote ccp pulled another bonus SP stunt what did you expect the balls in their court. no there's nothing you can do about it. it's up to ccp to fix their own game u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 967	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:37:00 - [12] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: The only way to stop AFK'ing is to remove passive SP gain from being alive. CCP won't do that though, because a lot of players wouldn't be able to cap out then. Full disclosure: I'm afking right now with my heavy alt. I am not wasting ISK on an infantry toon until CCP fixes the skill bug. Because waiting a few seconds for it to resolve itself is so hard Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it.... damn you! Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Clone D 241	Posted - 2014.04.20 15:54:00 - [13] - Quote The question is, why do people AFK? They don't want the grind, but they want their SP, right? So to me, the answer is simple. Sell SP as a direct purchase (I would pay 5 bucks for 1 million SP). I'm guessing that people would be more likely to buy SP that way than boosters. That would most likely end the prevalent AFK epidemic. It would ease the NPE. Spend about $60 and have a decently well rounded skill set. The community frowns heavily on this, since most value their time grinding away, but IMO, they are idiots. .
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 476	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:07:00 - [14] - Quote ^^ yea full scale pay 2 win bro that's a brilliant idea why didnt anyone else think of that u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
The Attorney General 2648	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:11:00 - [15] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: The Attorney General wrote: The only way to stop AFK'ing is to remove passive SP gain from being alive. CCP won't do that though, because a lot of players wouldn't be able to cap out then. Full disclosure: I'm afking right now with my heavy alt. I am not wasting ISK on an infantry toon until CCP fixes the skill bug. Because waiting a few seconds for it to resolve itself is so hard No one likes an apologist. Maybe if you played matches where it mattered you would care, but we all can't just be pubscrubs can we? Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Clone D 241	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:18:00 - [16] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: ^^ yea full scale pay 2 win bro that's a brilliant idea why didnt anyone else think of that It's pay for time, not pay to win. Think about it. .
The Attorney General 2648	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:21:00 - [17] - Quote Clone D wrote: It's pay for time, not pay to win. Think about it. Without a limit to it, you could just buy 1 Billion SP though. Knowing CCP they would charge you an arm and a leg. There are idiots born every day though. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 477	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:22:00 - [18] - Quote Clone D wrote: Zirzo Valcyn wrote: ^^ yea full scale pay 2 win bro that's a brilliant idea why didnt anyone else think of that It's pay for time, not pay to win. Think about it. so i still have to grind out the SP that i purchase? would rather just pay a sub simple fix is to cut the 5sp per second BS. the only real feasible reason it's there is so ideally casuals can recieve a pat on the back from CCP for not playing well, the symptom of that failed concept is rampant AFKing. u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Roofer Madness The Phoenix Federation 1035	Posted - 2014.04.20 16:27:00 - [19] - Quote I personally would hope that CCP has better things to do with their time then to address AFKing. I would like to see: Bug fixes New content Player market New vehicles Literally anything before wasting time on an AFK "fix". These people wouldn't be doing squats in the MCC if there was enough content to actually be entertained. Some people AFK in the hopes that the game will suck less down the road. And CCP needs the player numbers so I hate to break it to ya but they couldn't care less so long as people are logging on and buying Aurum. I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The rest I wasted.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 682	Posted - 2014.04.20 19:03:00 - [20] - Quote only real solution to AFKing is no active SP. No active SP means no reason to AFK.

Rusty Shallows 1598	Posted - 2014.04.20 20:32:00 - [21] - Quote The entire War Point system is horribly flawed. Someone can top the match-board with an incredible K/D Ratio while some sucker died five or ten times keeping an objective from being flipped and does more for winning the match. Passive SP is supposed to partially fill the gap of what a player should have gotten. We tried War Points only SP in closed Beta and it failed. Everyone here who said improve/fix the game experience nailed the answer. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1227	Posted - 2014.04.20 21:39:00 - [22] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: The Attorney General wrote: The only way to stop AFK'ing is to remove passive SP gain from being alive. CCP won't do that though, because a lot of players wouldn't be able to cap out then. Full disclosure: I'm afking right now with my heavy alt. I am not wasting ISK on an infantry toon until CCP fixes the skill bug. This is the real answer, OP. The question you should be asking CCP and Rouge is why are they rewarding players who AFK with big, fat piles of SP in every game? Seriously? You should not even consider this as a possibility. CCP/Mothership drives EVE with Only Passive SP. No active WP or SP. You would not get EVE players to play Dust without passive SP. And the many gods know that EVE and its Pod Peeps are the best thing in the world to CCP/Mothership. That and their monthly rental fees ... so they can get their Passive SP. Removing Passive SP is not going to happen. Now if Passive SP was the only solution and you could get Passive SP without having to log in, that might just work. But as long as there is Active SP then there will be AFK. Plus, as stated above, FOTM or reactions to Day 1 OP gear/weapons will always drive AFK (and sniping as mentioned). Since this game is supported by CCP/Shanghai there will always be Day 1 OP bits. Welcome to Dust And so it goes.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3988	Posted - 2014.04.20 21:43:00 - [23] - Quote I only ever AFK after being robbed in some way or another. Bugs Lag Stacked teams Bad luck Stomp Etc If the game's gonna screw me I don't mind screwing it. No.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1227	Posted - 2014.04.20 21:44:00 - [24] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: The entire War Point system is horribly flawed. Someone can top the match-board with an incredible K/D Ratio while some sucker died five or ten times keeping an objective from being flipped and does more for winning the match. Passive SP is supposed to partially fill the gap of what a player should have gotten. We tried War Points only SP in closed Beta and it failed. Everyone here who said improve/fix the game experience nailed the answer. I want to add a command order, 'Hold Territory' that would reward with 1 WP per second, 2 WP if it is a Null Cannon Control. The Defend order is fine for what it does but the circle isn't large enough to support/hold a Null Cannon. Several releases ago my alt heavy would routinely hold Charlie in Manus Peak (Jesus Mountain map). By himself using a HMG and a breach SMG. If he could hold it for the entire match we would win. I didn't make top of the list but we won. I quit doing that because CR/RR Day 1 OP weapons made it much too expensive to run a Heavy after his HMG was gutted. I was doing better with the SMG for range kills. And so it goes.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 974	Posted - 2014.04.20 21:49:00 - [25] - Quote i like ti get in the way of their circling and direct them to the drop out of the MCC, see if they're paying any attention at all. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it.... damn you! Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Niccolo deLuce Savage Bullet 41	Posted - 2014.04.21 00:53:00 - [26] - Quote KalOfTheRathi[/quote wrote: Seriously? You should not even consider this as a possibility. CCP/Mothership drives EVE with Only Passive SP. No active WP or SP. You would not get EVE players to play Dust without passive SP. And the many gods know that EVE and its Pod Peeps are the best thing in the world to CCP/Mothership. That and their monthly rental fees ... so they can get their Passive SP. Removing Passive SP is not going to happen. Now if Passive SP was the only solution and you could get Passive SP without having to log in, that might just work. But as long as there is Active SP then there will be AFK. Plus, as stated above, FOTM or reactions to Day 1 OP gear/weapons will always drive AFK (and sniping as mentioned). Since this game is supported by CCP/Shanghai there will always be Day 1 OP bits. Welcome to Dust I'm pretty sure he was just talking about the passive SP from within battles, hence the staying alive part, and not the overall passive sp gain.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1989	Posted - 2014.04.21 01:23:00 - [27] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: The Attorney General wrote: The only way to stop AFK'ing is to remove passive SP gain from being alive. CCP won't do that though, because a lot of players wouldn't be able to cap out then. Full disclosure: I'm afking right now with my heavy alt. I am not wasting ISK on an infantry toon until CCP fixes the skill bug. This is the real answer, OP. The question you should be asking CCP and Rouge is why are they rewarding players who AFK with big, fat piles of SP in every game? Seriously? You should not even consider this as a possibility. CCP/Mothership drives EVE with Only Passive SP. No active WP or SP. You would not get EVE players to play Dust without passive SP. And the many gods know that EVE and its Pod Peeps are the best thing in the world to CCP/Mothership. That and their monthly rental fees ... so they can get their Passive SP. Removing Passive SP is not going to happen. Now if Passive SP was the only solution and you could get Passive SP without having to log in, that might just work. But as long as there is Active SP then there will be AFK. Plus, as stated above, FOTM or reactions to Day 1 OP gear/weapons will always drive AFK (and sniping as mentioned). Since this game is supported by CCP/Shanghai there will always be Day 1 OP bits. Welcome to Dust Yeah, seriously. For most peeps the bulk of the sp they make in-match are from the passive 5 sp/second that CCP doles out as charity. That's why peeps afk. Seriously. I support SP rollover.
Cinnamon267 162	Posted - 2014.04.21 03:24:00 - [28] - Quote IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote: Afking and Snipping are symptoms of OP fits. Every build where there is a suit that is decimating the field, afking and snippers make a comeback. Fix the fotm and the snippers and afkers will go away. Snipper DNE Sniper What's really interesting about this statement is the AFK'ers I see also snipe with Charged/Thale's.
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 147	Posted - 2014.04.21 03:33:00 - [29] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: It is hard to solve it would seem. Many ideas have been formulated on these forums by Mercs that either cannot code or understand coding. Plus, none of us actually have the code so who knows what might work and which simple idea will take three solid months of engineering. Good Luck. Apperantly CCP doesn't now how to could ether Wanna change a fire rate? Go in find the number and change it CCP: goes in changes number, deletes part of firing code, nerfs another thing, increase damage on something completely irrelevant, questions how they ****** up so bad -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1233	Posted - 2014.04.21 07:29:00 - [30] - Quote Niccolo deLuce wrote: I'm pretty sure he was just talking about the passive SP from within battles, hence the staying alive part, and not the overall passive sp gain. I agree on that. The problem is the EVE model is Only Passive SP and you don't have to do anything online except farm ISK. Until you reach the level you want. Changing one portion of the Dust SP/WP solution is just wrong. How do you balance the QQ Kittens that want to limit tank to two per map. Fine, then I'll AFK until it is my turn to drop my tank. BTW, I want SP while I am waiting my turn to play this match. Just play your own game. And if these QQ Kittens can drop their Grandmother's busy body nature Dust would be a lot better. They should quit trying to play other people's games for them. Because they are just trying to have CCP/Shanghai stab them in the back for them. Or, we can just pick a daily change at random from these QQ filled forums. Different one everyday! Log in and see what you won't be able to do! Hint, it will be whatever the Merc you hate the most has chosen. Murphy's law rules all others. And so it goes.

Blake Kingston Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 195	Posted - 2014.04.21 08:14:00 - [31] - Quote You'd think they'd atleast put a time cap on the MCC - spend more than a minute in it or something and SP gain just stops. Give a warning first, of course. It's not rubber bands, it's programmable controllers. The pretty piroutting ballarina clones are an example of that, just spinning and jumping all day long. So pretty.
Fibo Gjenn UN3VERSAL BONDAGE 2	Posted - 2014.04.21 11:28:00 - [32] - Quote To kill the AFK: 1. Find the AFKing clone. 2. Stand close and personal. 3. Call in vehicle, any one will do. 4. If it misses, recall and repeat. AFK = DOA


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