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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
6984
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Posted - 2014.04.20 00:50:00 -
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KenKaniff69 wrote: In factional terms we would be slave masters to you.
Minmatar scum have no place in the works of DNS.
From a RP standpoint, I'm just a Caldari businessman who defends his long time business partners (the Matari). But even if I was of Matari blood, I wouldn't be anyone's master as I am a free man independent of the Amarrian Religion Folk Stories.
Though if you want to look at things from a factional standpoint, nearly all of DNS would be removed from Molden Heath, as it belongs to the Minmatar Republic.
They're just being kind.
Proud member of D!ck Nibbler Squad [DNS]
[s]Text[/s] <------ That's how you make a strike-through
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
3524
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Posted - 2014.04.20 00:53:00 -
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I'm not on DNS's side but there are so many things wrong with this thread.
Sir Hadah for CPM
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
2273
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Posted - 2014.04.20 00:58:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Kain Spero wrote:I think one thing that people over look when I say eliminate auto sale is that means if a district is under attack or locked no wealth can be generated from it because you can't sell off the clones. That still doesn't solve anything. There will still be "some" corporations that nobody would attack because of their reinforcement window that would still make huge profits. I'm still wondering why don't you at DNS set all your reinforcement windows at 12.00 ET. It's a good thought imo, but the real problem doesn't lie there
I'll just leave this here...
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KenKaniff69
Fatal Absolution
2365
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Posted - 2014.04.20 01:40:00 -
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Atiim wrote:KenKaniff69 wrote: In factional terms we would be slave masters to you.
Minmatar scum have no place in the works of DNS.
From a RP standpoint, I'm just a Caldari businessman who defends his long time business partners (the Matari). But even if I was of Matari blood, I wouldn't be anyone's master as I am a free man independent of the Amarrian Religion Folk Stories. Though if you want to look at things from a factional standpoint, nearly all of DNS would be removed from Molden Heath, as it belongs to the Minmatar Republic. They're just being kind. Actually the amarians are just there to take a dump on the scum that inhabit these parts.
The last time I checked Amarr is dominating in space even with a disadvantage of being at a 30-70 split on the ground.
The problem with tanks
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
2041
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Posted - 2014.04.20 01:48:00 -
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Attack them I sure as hell won't wake up for the defense, maybe on a weekend but not a weekday.
ISK Donuts are delicious
Q_Q Moar
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Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
733
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Posted - 2014.04.20 07:36:00 -
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Atiim wrote:KenKaniff69 wrote: In factional terms we would be slave masters to you.
Minmatar scum have no place in the works of DNS.
From a RP standpoint, I'm just a Caldari businessman who defends his long time business partners (the Matari). But even if I was of Matari blood, I wouldn't be anyone's master as I am a free man independent of the Amarrian Religion Folk Stories. Though if you want to look at things from a factional standpoint, nearly all of DNS would be removed from Molden Heath, as it belongs to the Minmatar Republic. They're just being kind.
The amarr still have 1/3rd of all minmatar enslaved.
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Stiddlefaxq
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2014.04.20 07:42:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:OmniMerc wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:I like how you are moving all your timers to 1200. Really showing us who is the best aren't you. I am glad you can abuse a **** mechanic to show how you are the best players in DUST. How is that bad? It is a cheat, that is the problem. The idea is great but it is being used to make it that much more difficult to attack, that is the only reason. They can't defend it and can't lock it so they they put the timer when players aren't on and the majority of the players are going to work. it is cowardly and abusing a broken mechanic.
Actually, it would be cheating if we had all of our timers at 0900. It is technically possible for the match the final match to be canceled at that hour.
12:00 is legit. Set your alarm clocks and we will do the same. Best watch out for the Chinese fleet though... They don't like to lose. |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
2368
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Posted - 2014.04.20 07:55:00 -
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This is a sign that DNS is falling apart.
It was fun while it lasted mates. o7
HTFU Gë£ Live with CCP´s mistakes.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
8602
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Posted - 2014.04.20 07:57:00 -
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<---
This cat right here plays at such times. I see no problem with this
Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
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pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1651
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Posted - 2014.04.20 08:00:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Let's be honest here, it's not like you were actually going to attack us anyways.
Also, what's at 1200?
look at thus folks haven't Atiim grown now he's in a big boy alliance isn't it cute everyone how his balls have grown .
Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012.
I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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OmniMerc
Commando Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.04.20 08:01:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:<--- This cat right here plays at such times. I see no problem with this Me neither Now I just need to ring |
Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION
878
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Posted - 2014.04.20 08:06:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:I like how you are moving all your timers to 1200. Really showing us who is the best aren't you. I am glad you can abuse a **** mechanic to show how you are the best players in DUST. Why do they get to set the timer anyway? Wouldn't it make the most sense to let the attacker control when the attack is going to be?! O.o
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Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION
878
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Posted - 2014.04.20 08:13:00 -
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This thread is nothing but a bunch of DNS circlejerk going around. It's obvious what's going on here with the timers. No amount of circlejerk is going to change that.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
7017
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Posted - 2014.04.20 14:15:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote: look at thus folks haven't Atiim grown now he's in a big boy alliance isn't it cute everyone how his balls have grown .
You and I both know it's the truth.
Proud member of D!ck Nibbler Squad [DNS]
[s]Text[/s] <------ That's how you make a strike-through
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
7017
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Posted - 2014.04.20 14:19:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:Why do they get to set the timer anyway? Wouldn't it make the most sense to let the attacker control when the attack is going to be?! O.o
No, because all the attacker would have to do is schedule an attack when they know nobody's going to be on.
Vespasian Andendare wrote:This thread is nothing but a bunch of DNS circlejerk going around. It's obvious what's going on here with the timers. No amount of circlejerk is going to change that. Or perhaps not everyone lives in the US and 1200 is when many of our players are on?
Proud member of D!ck Nibbler Squad [DNS]
[s]Text[/s] <------ That's how you make a strike-through
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
1987
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Posted - 2014.04.20 14:39:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:OmniMerc wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:I like how you are moving all your timers to 1200. Really showing us who is the best aren't you. I am glad you can abuse a **** mechanic to show how you are the best players in DUST. How is that bad? It is a cheat, that is the problem. The idea is great but it is being used to make it that much more difficult to attack, that is the only reason. They can't defend it and can't lock it so they they put the timer when players aren't on and the majority of the players are going to work. it is cowardly and abusing a broken mechanic. I understand where you're coming from, but i applaud DNS for doing what they're doing, because we're dealing with CCP.
The only way to convince CCP of anything is to present brutally overwhelming evidence of awful player experience that spans many months or even years.
So kudos, DNS, you have my respect and gratitude for what you're trying to accomplish. By my estimates you'll only have to keep it up until fanfest, unless the same error is copied into the new system, in which case you have to keep it up for another 6 to 9 months.
Good luck - hope to see you peeps in PC someday, once you finally get this fixed for CCP.
I support SP rollover.
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies Brave Collective
2495
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Posted - 2014.04.20 15:08:00 -
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If I were going to set up attack timers I would make these changes.
No attack timers two hours before or after downtime. Attack window of two hours 200 count clone pack Double the time to produce clones No passive ISK
No attacks two hours before or after DT. This is so low numbers and TZ can't be used against attackers because right now the early attack time only allows for 30 minutes before the scheduled attacks and the player count is low because to of American TZ.
An attack window of two hours, this means that an attacker can attack up to one hour before and up to on hour after. This gives the attacker a little bit of surprise factor.
200 clones so because the clone count now seems too small to fight a clone count of up to 400.
Double the clone production time. Have clones produced at 40 a day so that defenders have to buy clone packs to keep defending more often. If the production is 300 + 100 and the teams are equally matched then the defenders would have to buy 4 clone packs to equal the amount of clones the attacker has. That is about 150 M just to be able to be on equal ground.
Clones can only be sold when the unit is full and and stops producing when the unit is full. If the clone unit has the max number of clones the it stops making clones until some are lost to battle or the entire unit is sold and resets it to zero.
The combination of timers and passive ISK is a big problem when you add in the low count attack clone packs and high price. All of these things give the defenders too much advantage. The system needs to be tweaked. The reward for owning a district would be for corp use and it would open up the old corp battle system the owner. They could run their own tournament or charge people for practice areas (and even scam them by showing up and rolling them off the field) or just go down and train their new players or practice.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies Brave Collective
2495
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Posted - 2014.04.20 15:11:00 -
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plaplapla wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:OmniMerc wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:I like how you are moving all your timers to 1200. Really showing us who is the best aren't you. I am glad you can abuse a **** mechanic to show how you are the best players in DUST. How is that bad? It is a cheat, that is the problem. The idea is great but it is being used to make it that much more difficult to attack, that is the only reason. They can't defend it and can't lock it so they they put the timer when players aren't on and the majority of the players are going to work. it is cowardly and abusing a broken mechanic. not to be a ass but that also means most off them are at work so they will be weaker to
Yes it does and there again is the problem, there isn't anyone one to fight. If there is not many players on the is a pseudo-locking technique used only to make owning that district easier.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Jenza's Pants
The Hetairoi
163
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Posted - 2014.04.20 15:12:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:If I were going to set up attack timers I would make these changes.
No attack timers two hours before or after downtime. Attack window of two hours 200 count clone pack Double the time to produce clones No passive ISK
No attacks two hours before or after DT. This is so low numbers and TZ can't be used against attackers because right now the early attack time only allows for 30 minutes before the scheduled attacks and the player count is low because to of American TZ.
An attack window of two hours, this means that an attacker can attack up to one hour before and up to on hour after. This gives the attacker a little bit of surprise factor.
200 clones so because the clone count now seems too small to fight a clone count of up to 400.
Double the clone production time. Have clones produced at 40 a day so that defenders have to buy clone packs to keep defending more often. If the production is 300 + 100 and the teams are equally matched then the defenders would have to buy 4 clone packs to equal the amount of clones the attacker has. That is about 150 M just to be able to be on equal ground.
Clones can only be sold when the unit is full and and stops producing when the unit is full. If the clone unit has the max number of clones the it stops making clones until some are lost to battle or the entire unit is sold and resets it to zero.
The combination of timers and passive ISK is a big problem when you add in the low count attack clone packs and high price. All of these things give the defenders too much advantage. The system needs to be tweaked. The reward for owning a district would be for corp use and it would open up the old corp battle system the owner. They could run their own tournament or charge people for practice areas (and even scam them by showing up and rolling them off the field) or just go down and train their new players or practice.
stop QQ, buff alarm clock.
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Jenza's Pants
The Hetairoi
163
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Posted - 2014.04.20 15:14:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:plaplapla wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:OmniMerc wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:I like how you are moving all your timers to 1200. Really showing us who is the best aren't you. I am glad you can abuse a **** mechanic to show how you are the best players in DUST. How is that bad? It is a cheat, that is the problem. The idea is great but it is being used to make it that much more difficult to attack, that is the only reason. They can't defend it and can't lock it so they they put the timer when players aren't on and the majority of the players are going to work. it is cowardly and abusing a broken mechanic. not to be a ass but that also means most off them are at work so they will be weaker to Yes it does and there again is the problem, there isn't anyone one to fight. If there is not many players on the is a pseudo-locking technique used only to make owning that district easier.
8 am EST US is 10 pm Aussie time in Sydney. Just hire some aussies. Stop qq. |
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies Brave Collective
2495
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:50:00 -
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Jenza's Pants wrote: stop QQ, buff alarm clock.
Not going to work isn't buffing the alarm clock
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Youknowutimsayin
Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad.
184
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:53:00 -
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im all out of popcorn |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3471
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:15:00 -
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Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:Let's be honest here, it's not like you were actually going to attack us anyways.
Also, what's at 1200? Dude you saying "us" after 2-3 days....not right...... The people who made DNS a power house, and group that could actually get away with saying "It's not like you are going to attack us anyway" joined months ago..... So being grammatically correct is wrong? What should I refer to DNS as then hmm? Partners? Predecessors? I knowledge that I didn't really help with anything here, but seriously. What do I address them as then if not "us"?
No, but can we call you a jock sniffer?
Level 3 Forum Warrior
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noob cavman
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
1262
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:25:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:Let's be honest here, it's not like you were actually going to attack us anyways.
Also, what's at 1200? Dude you saying "us" after 2-3 days....not right...... The people who made DNS a power house, and group that could actually get away with saying "It's not like you are going to attack us anyway" joined months ago..... So being grammatically correct is wrong? What should I refer to DNS as then hmm? Partners? Predecessors? I knowledge that I didn't really help with anything here, but seriously. What do I address them as then if not "us"? No, but can we call you a jock sniffer?
OI! only we may bully atiim. Play nice mkay. but seriously we have a **** ton of guys on at 12 ( me included) I think we actually cover our districts around the clock
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dem spandex yo
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
1071
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:31:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:Let's be honest here, it's not like you were actually going to attack us anyways.
Also, what's at 1200? Dude you saying "us" after 2-3 days....not right...... The people who made DNS a power house, and group that could actually get away with saying "It's not like you are going to attack us anyway" joined months ago..... So being grammatically correct is wrong? What should I refer to DNS as then hmm? Partners? Predecessors? I knowledge that I didn't really help with anything here, but seriously. What do I address them as then if not "us"? No, but can we call you a jock sniffer? OI! only we may bully atiim. Play nice mkay. but seriously we have a **** ton of guys on at 12 ( me included) I think we actually cover our districts around the clock I play at any time mkay, inv me to your late pc's mkay.
I <3 girl gamers
Tears, sweet delicious tears
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KING CHECKMATE
Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad.
5153
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:32:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:Let's be honest here, it's not like you were actually going to attack us anyways.
Also, what's at 1200? Dude you saying "us" after 2-3 days....not right...... The people who made DNS a power house, and group that could actually get away with saying "It's not like you are going to attack us anyway" joined months ago..... So being grammatically correct is wrong? What should I refer to DNS as then hmm? Partners? Predecessors? I knowledge that I didn't really help with anything here, but seriously. What do I address them as then if not "us"? No, but can we call you a jock sniffer? OI! only we may bully atiim. Play nice mkay. but seriously we have a **** ton of guys on at 12 ( me included) I think we actually cover our districts around the clock
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