So basically your nerfing scouts to side arms shotguns and plasma cannons? Really dude?

So does a full respec come with this plan since I ve always been a scout, have3 at proto, won't play another suit ,and you wanna trash all my points in scr, rr,Ar, and Cr, and leave me with NERFED useless sidearms like the faylock, scp, and have no range weapons whatsoever ?

So if I get spoted moving anywhere in the game at a distance greater than 20/40 m I'm dead, doesn't sound op at all!

1. Not just scouts, also logis, sentinels, commandos, and all size basic frames.
2. You're misrepresenting the amount of options. Non-assaults would be able to use mass driver, laser rifle, sniper rifle, shotgun, plasma cannon, swarm launcher.

Anyway, I disagree with the OP on this, its way too harsh. The source of the scout problem is the inadequacies of the medium frames, scouts and other suits having access to the 4 main assault rifles is not the problem. The problem is that scouts can tank nearly as much HP as the medium frames, while still being faster, stealthier, better at scanning, having a 2nd equipment, and cloaking bonus.

I think scouts should be able to bricktank if they want to, but the HP gap between scouts and medium frames should remain significant. Right now the HP gap isn't, and an Amarr scout actually has more module slots than an Amarr assault at STD-ADV for example and allows the scout to out-tank the assault, while still being faster, stealthier, better at scanning, have a 2nd equipment etc. The issue is less pronounced with the other assaults, but the gap is too small.

The problem is the medium frame slots, and slot progression. Like every other frame size, mediums should gain only 1 module slot from one tier to the next, and the upper limit should be 8 (like most current logis). So it should be 6 module slots STD, 7 ADV, 8 PRO. I say let scouts tank if they want to, as long as they don't start usurping the role of assaults.

My thread on the subject: [Request] Medium frame (basic/assault/logi) slot changes/incease

1. Not just scouts, also logis, sentinels, commandos, and all size basic frames.
2. You're misrepresenting the amount of options. Non-assaults would be able to use mass driver, laser rifle, sniper rifle, shotgun, plasma cannon, swarm launcher.

Anyway, I disagree with the OP on this, its way too harsh. The source of the scout problem is the inadequacies of the medium frames, scouts and other suits having access to the 4 main assault rifles is not the problem. The problem is that scouts can tank nearly as much HP as the medium frames, while still being faster, stealthier, better at scanning, having a 2nd equipment, and cloaking bonus.

I think scouts should be able to bricktank if they want to, but the HP gap between scouts and medium frames should remain significant. Right now the HP gap isn't, and an Amarr scout actually has more module slots than an Amarr assault at STD-ADV for example and allows the scout to out-tank the assault, while still being faster, stealthier, better at scanning, have a 2nd equipment etc. The issue is less pronounced with the other assaults, but the gap is too small.

The problem is the medium frame slots, and slot progression. Like every other frame size, mediums should gain only 1 module slot from one tier to the next, and the upper limit should be 8 (like most current logis). So it should be 6 module slots STD, 7 ADV, 8 PRO. I say let scouts tank if they want to, as long as they don't start usurping the role of assaults.

My thread on the subject: [Request] Medium frame (basic/assault/logi) slot changes/incease

Medium basic frames, and commandos would have medium slots. (Not sure 1 or 2 for commando's) Why do you think this is too haredxssh? This would just force support roles to use support weapons and give assaults an advantage in 1 vs 1 engagements in medium range.

Hate this idea, that takes away one thing the game was supposed to be, different. It lets us have full customization.

And make it certain death Any where we go against 1000 HP assaults from any range outside 20/30 m, sounds totally fair, how did you think of such a idea?

I was wondering tho, in the armed forces when everyone loads out do you really think they kick the scouts out the truck and say" HERE'S A SHOTGUN AND A PISTOL SOLDIER, GO GET EM!"

Asssaults- The king of light weapons and medium ranges. The killers. Should be the best with rifle type weapons and be self sufficient enough to hold the front lines and push objectives with minimal help from other roles. The "Jack of all trades" of the fps. But a master of none. Simply where most of dust should be. This is where everyone should start in Dust, but still be strong enough as a slayer to be viable in PC and 20 MIL SP on up. Descent hack, descent speed, descent health, descent size, but an above average kill ability to round it out. (SHOULD be the class with the 10%-15% damage bonus with rifles, plus another survivability bonus such as 5%-10% shield extender efficiency per level, of shield extenders for Caldari, giving you a max health bonus of 66-132 shields if using all complex shield extenders on proto or a 1-2 hp/s armor rep per level for gallente repping 5-10 HP/s passively on armor . As "jack of all trades" SHOULD NOT have race specific attack bonuses such as I love Caldari for its shields, but I don't not use the rail rifle thus I do not get a bonus to anything. If general bonuses were given to all rifles, I could use my assault combat rifle, CR, AND duvolle with my caldari and still get bonuses. Maybe give an extra 1% bonus per level if you use the weapon for your race. Now some slayers and normal players return here to kill things at medium range. Would still be viable with a VIZIAM scrambler rifle Nerf of about 8-15% and a combats rifle Nerf of about 3-5%, AND and AR BUFF of 5-10%. NOW all rifles are pretty viable and balanced for all classes that can use them. Now everybody is getting close to even in killing power, pew pew)

Scouts-The kings of deception. Hacking/sabotaging, cloaking, fast shield regen, stamina, and passively scouting out enemies are just a few perks that come with a quick suit and a small hotbox. Add in your main rifles and you got yourself an OVERPOWERED suit CCP. Take out your main rifles but leave shotguns, lasers, Mass driver and sniper rifles, plus all your sidearms and you got yourself a specialized role here. By keeping your scout limited to short range weapons and specialized medium-long range weapons, and keep them able to sneak under the radar and semi invisible, you keep scouts out of the main firefight, but when they come back in they play a pivotal tipping role. Imagine a 5 vs 6 firefight in an Ambush, when suddenly a scout uncloaks above the 6 man squad with a laser rifle or mass driver, raining hell from above. Or uncloaks next to the ever pushing 6 man squad with a shotgun knova knife combo, 1 shot knova knifing the ever persistent healer logi and going to town on the overbearing sentinel with the shotgun. And with being the stealthy bugger he is, silently walking up to an objective high invisible to quick hack is very valuable in PC and skirmishes. ( Scouts have received a HUGE buff this build, and for ALL those scouts that have been QQing since Chromosome and have weathered the storm this much just to be OP for just one build isn't fair for them to be nerfed in 1.9. By keeping the scout stats the same but taking out mainstream rifle usage aka AR, CR, scrambler, etc, you limit the "slayer" ability but increase the role specific intentions of the scout, and honestly, by even JUST using the sidearms, the scout can be very proficient. During the week of the sidearm challenge, I did a weeks worth of JUST sidearm killing with an ADV magsec/Toxin SMG combo for the week. At the end of the week, after pubbing all game modes and even doing PCs, after over 1,200 kills, my KDR was at around 5.87 and my win/loss ratio was about 4.26. Which was an even better kdr than I normally receive with my CR or AR/SMG combo. By simply picking out my targets at more close range and better maneuvering, I was able to compensate for my weakness at mid-long ranges. Results may vary, but I'm stating its very possible JUST to use sidearms as a scout and be very successful still if you want to be a sort of slayer. By keeping the stats the same, you keep the scout still a viable class for all situations. But I believe base scout hacking multipliers should be increased to 1.25 instead of 1.1 across the board, and All racial scout bonuses to be redone to be more even. The main reason scouts were good recon before 1.8 was because with stacking mods like precision enhancers and dampeners, they were able to pick up others or stay hidden on others scans which limited their HP. With giving scouts a cloak which is a natural proto dampener, AND giving racial bonuses that used to take up scout low/high slots, a scout can now effectively HP tank in those slots, AND have increased slots to do so in. Taking away the racial bonuses make specialized role scouts, such as scouts that need to see others on passive scans need to fill their high/low slots with those corresponding modules now, lessening the amount of HP one can stack. But still allowing a scout to HP tank if he/she so wishes to, but are now vulnerable to being seen by scanners when not cloaked, thus bringing back the welcome use of scanners.)

Honestly its like CCP did not even attempt to try out a single scout suit after these buffs were applied.

As a way to make assaults the primary players capable of assaulting, certain weapons should be for assaults only. Not to take away choices, but to keep players from fitting a scout, or logi with a better slayer than an assault.

You wanna buff assaults, do it by actually buffing them not screwing over anyone else.
Fast shield regens, weapon fitting reductions, a grenade and a flux nade slot, better precision , things like this not scrapping everyone's skill tree.

This is curious, I have to ask:

When most of the complaints regarding Scouts are focused around their ability to combine brick tanking, stealth-ing, and equip an weapon with high alpha AND high DPS, all in one suit why would you think a balance suggestion which limits them to that weapon would beGǪwell received?

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If they increased the fitting requirements of the weapons then they would need to increase the fitting bonus on the assault suits as they are now they can now fit a full proto set up with good fitting skills.

here is my 2 cents;

how about adding the benefits of complex shield and armor modules without the penalties to the assault suits over the scout suits.

+66 shield hit points better recharge rate and a shorter delay in shield recharge time and +135 armor hit points and then give the Assaults 1 more module slot then their scout counter parts (the same amount on all of them 7).

and to one of the above posters the SCR does not need another nerf the rail rifle is still op and is in need of the reduction you suggested for the SCR, now for the weapon specialization they should of done the opposite in my opinion.

wrong way to do it, since assaults get the reduction to cpu/pg of light weapon
just increase the pg/cpu of weapons

Yep, turns out scouts CAN use HMGs!!!


I'd say commando would need two medium slots, then, instead of its two lights.

As a way to make assaults the primary players capable of assaulting, certain weapons should be for assaults only. Not to take away choices, but to keep players from fitting a scout, or logi with a better slayer than an assault.

So what I am proposing is to give all of the primary assault weapons medium weapon stats, while all of the other weapons keep light weapon slots. So, the assault rifle, scrambler rifle, combat rifle, and rail rifle would now fit in medium slots. While light weapons would be capable of being fit on anything else(light fits in heavy or medium), the medium weapons would only fit in medium slots.

This simple change would ease most of player frustration with many problems in the game currently, including heavies with rail rifles, invisible scouts and logi's with combat rifles, or worse scrambler rifles.

Also this will not remove any players from their capability to kill, as there are many weapons in the light category capable of killing. It just gives people a reason to skill into assaults again if they wish to assault instead of running around in another suit that is better at their role currently.

Commandos would get 2 mediums. Period.

I like the idea. Either this or an HP nerf. They need to be knocked down a peg in any case.

Um. A logi is a medium suit. The only difference is more health vs equipment slots. Restricting weapons further is just stupid. I'm sure most heavies would rather have more heavy weapons to choose from. And I'm skilled into Assault. I'm sure most assault players would like a little more health to not be one-shotted by Lights and Heavies.

Medium basic frames, and commandos would have medium slots. (Not sure 1 or 2 for commando's) Why do you think this is too harsh? This would just force support roles to use support weapons and give assaults an advantage in 1 vs 1 engagements in medium range.