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Egonz4
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.04.17 04:52:00 -
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Theres a rumor goin around that we might get a full respec in may......I think it would be a good idea to have a full respec every new release (chromosone, uprising...etc...)
Im not crying for a respec.....they could start it next year for all I care but i just think people would stop crying if they knew there gonna get to correct there mistakes once the yearly respec comes around.
thoughts.........
Master of The Flaylock
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MINA Longstrike
517
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:02:00 -
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No. Choices have consequences, don't spend your SP on stuff you aren't sure about.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Reign Omega
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
342
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:05:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:No. Choices have consequences, don't spend your SP on stuff you aren't sure about.
What about things you are sure about, that magically become unsure due to unforseen meddling?
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TheDarthMa94
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:07:00 -
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Dude, its CCP! Don't count on it!
Director of NAO
"People are always telling me how lucky I am. But the truth is, everything I touch turns to shit"
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Sourdough Muffins
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
168
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:07:00 -
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(1) What makes you think this game is going to survive another year?
(2) Hell no |
Joseph Ridgeson
warravens
League of Infamy
1172
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:08:00 -
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You are the only one stating this rumor mate.
"People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
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McFurious
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
712
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:18:00 -
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I wouldn't be surprised if we got a full respec for 2.0. Or a complete wipe. 
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
12821
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:25:00 -
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What I wouldn't give to ditch my heavy for forever.
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
1298
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:36:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:No. Choices have consequences, don't spend your SP on stuff you aren't sure about.
oh look, another cute scrub with no credibility talking about choices, this never happened before! 
core changes happen every patch, but dense scrubs like you do not comprehend basic logic and common sense. choices are meaningless when CCP changes the premise around which you base your choices almost every month.
#buymorebooster |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
2001
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:41:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:No. Choices have consequences, don't spend your SP on stuff you aren't sure about.
Stuff we aren't sure about, like choosing the role you want with absolute certainty, then CCP changing it in 8 months' time, rewriting the bonuses for most things, and finding out you're getting back a fraction of the SP you've spent, rather than everything so you can reevaluate what you want.
That's not a player mistake. That's a developer changing everything, which deserves a full respec.
People like you are the reason we can't have nice things.
A hypothetical:
CCP: "We're taking out the scanners for a month to rework them, they WILL be back in one month's time."
Forums: "Okay, can we have the SP back?"
People like you: "No, you made a choice, accept the consequences."
CPM: "Whatever, we don't care."
Just like they said they were removing the Sagaris and Surya for rework, and we haven't heard a peep from CCP about them.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
2001
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:42:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:What I wouldn't give to ditch my heavy for forever.
But then that means you can't effectively use a forge gun.
Oh wait, you want ARs to destroy tanks, I forgot.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
12821
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Posted - 2014.04.17 05:45:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:What I wouldn't give to ditch my heavy for forever. But then that means you can't effectively use a forge gun. Oh wait, you want ARs to destroy tanks, I forgot.
How many times exactly were you dropped on your head as a child?
I have an Incubus that actually works, I have no need for forge guns. Quit talking out your ass, I know it's easier to understand than your mouth but still all we here is ****.
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darkiller240
K-A-O-S theory
734
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Posted - 2014.04.17 06:55:00 -
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This is gona turn into a hate thread isn't it?
*Looks Up*
Yep, Hate thread
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
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Operative 2511 Dajli
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
3
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Posted - 2014.04.17 07:30:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:No. Choices have consequences, don't spend your SP on stuff you aren't sure about.
Oh please! Go live your hardcore life in reality. It's a game, a constantly developed game. In EVE you can stop training at any time and you don't collect sp. There is no limit on sp. So, no reason to interpret the EVE mentality over to this game in terms of skill mechanics.
You still have to live with choices for a year. Isn't that hardcore enough for you nerds?
Lol, the ban hammer got me!
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2187
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Posted - 2014.04.17 09:14:00 -
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Egonz4 wrote:Theres a rumor goin around that we might get a full respec in may......I think it would be a good idea to have a full respec every new release (chromosone, uprising...etc...)
Im not crying for a respec.....they could start it next year for all I care but i just think people would stop crying if they knew there gonna get to correct there mistakes once the yearly respec comes around.
thoughts.........
No. For fucks sake no. People should just deal with it. Heck. Respecs are so utterly useless. You hit a certain amount of SP and suddenly you notice: "Hey, everything I spec into now is just variety anymore." People would also stop crying when they notice this. And they would also stop crying when they notice that there ar eno freebies. Heck: Actually they stopped crying and it was such a wonderful time! Why do you have to bring that topic up again?!
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
1035
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Posted - 2014.04.17 09:39:00 -
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inb4lock
Closed beta vet
Tears, sweet delicious tears
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Denchlad 7
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
133
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Posted - 2014.04.17 10:03:00 -
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Oh God no.
The only respec that is now necessary is when all weapon variants are added, and possibly the last few vehicles. Other than that hell no.
Besides, if this game isnt at a suitable standard next year I'll doubt even I will still be playing. If CCP are still changing and balancing stuff a full respec leads to an infinite cycle of FoTM which we seriously need to banish to the depths of hell at some point.
Was attempting to proto every weapon a bad idea? Yes. 11 so far
If you can't accept change, you will fail in this world
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NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1492
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Posted - 2014.04.17 12:58:00 -
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Egonz4 wrote:Theres a rumor goin around that we might get a full respec in may......I think it would be a good idea to have a full respec every new release (chromosone, uprising...etc...)
Im not crying for a respec.....they could start it next year for all I care but i just think people would stop crying if they knew there gonna get to correct there mistakes once the yearly respec comes around.
thoughts.........
Please No.... It'd be pain in the ass to relocate all these SP and the fun of Risk vs reward would be gone... Now i think twice before spending SP into anything... If people don't have the patience for it and mess up their SP all the time ?! Even after all these respecs ?! Then too bad... HTFU (Not me, it's what most of the people would say) |
Harpyja
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1607
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:11:00 -
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No.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Cee Zet
Phantom Universe Task Force
Die Fremdenlegion
10
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:13:00 -
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No respec!
A respec makes my choices never existens, and makes dust514 to an cheap game, with cheap gamers! |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1787
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:18:00 -
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Egonz4 wrote:Theres a rumor goin around that we might get a full respec in may......I think it would be a good idea to have a full respec every new release (chromosone, uprising...etc...)
Im not crying for a respec.....they could start it next year for all I care but i just think people would stop crying if they knew there gonna get to correct there mistakes once the yearly respec comes around.
thoughts.........
A full respec? No, I highly doubt that.
But a refund of the SP spent in the weaponry tree might happen when all of the racial weapons have been released.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1492
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:22:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:What I wouldn't give to ditch my heavy for forever. But then that means you can't effectively use a forge gun. Oh wait, you want ARs to destroy tanks, I forgot. How many times exactly were you dropped on your head as a child? I have an Incubus that actually works, I have no need for forge guns. Quit talking out your ass, I know it's easier to understand than your mouth but still all we here is ****.
LOL Spkr trying to talk again... I can only imagine what would happen if that scrublet decides to Post a "Good Morning" Thread... lol It's all your own fault spkr... Learn when to speak |
xSivartx
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
71
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:50:00 -
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I want my 47 mil SP back for one simple reason. I want to look at it in the unallocated SP spot and giggle. Then spec back into all the sentinel suits and a commando once more. |
Meknow Intaki
135
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:54:00 -
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No=ƒÿÆ |
Jadd Hatchen
The Phoenix Federation
532
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:55:00 -
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Egonz4 wrote:Theres a rumor goin around that we might get a full respec in may......I think it would be a good idea to have a full respec every new release (chromosone, uprising...etc...)
Im not crying for a respec.....they could start it next year for all I care but i just think people would stop crying if they knew there gonna get to correct there mistakes once the yearly respec comes around.
thoughts.........
Or we can put that control into the hands of the player to decide if an when they want it via:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
79
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:55:00 -
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from the OTHER respec thread that started today, my respose:
no.... no.... no.... no.... no.... no.... no.... no.... no.... no....
F#CK NO!
NO!
NOOOOOO!!!!
Stop with these threads.
No more effing respecs. Live with your choices, train new stuff, adapt.
If I didn't know the average age of Dust players was higher than most FPS', I'd assume you we're all part of the "everybody wins" generation. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1790
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:59:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Live with your choices
Some choices were made for players. E.g. players who wanted a Caldari rifle in 1.0 didn't have the option. They could either sit on their SP until 1.7 (how fun is that?!) or spend it on some weapon they didn't necessarily love using, just to stay competitive.
I will accept the "live with your choices" argument when my choices actually matter, and only I get to make them.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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P14GU3
The Southern Legion
League of Infamy
569
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Posted - 2014.04.17 14:00:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:No. Choices have consequences, don't spend your SP on stuff you aren't sure about. oh look, another cute scrub with no credibility talking about choices, this never happened before! core changes happen every patch, but dense scrubs like you do not comprehend basic logic and common sense. choices are meaningless when CCP changes the premise around which you base your choices almost every month. #buymorebooster
This dust uni guy calling people scrubs all day cracks me up.
Should we have gotten a full respec with 1.8? Probably, but it didnt happen. Weapons dont take much to skill into. If you chose a suit you no longer like, sorry about your luck..
Yeah, i run an Amarr logi with a mass driver.. what are YOU going to do about it?
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sabre prime
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
181
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Posted - 2014.04.17 14:00:00 -
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The only reason I would want a respec is to take back all of that SP I put into the Gallente assault rifles. Every time I look at that ~2Million SP: meesa gets sad.
Desperate attempt to get BPOs
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
79
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Posted - 2014.04.17 14:07:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:RayRay James wrote:Live with your choices Some choices were made for players. E.g. players who wanted a Caldari rifle in 1.0 didn't have the option. They could either sit on their SP until 1.7 (how fun is that?!) or spend it on some weapon they didn't necessarily love using, just to stay competitive. I will accept the "live with your choices" argument when my choices actually matter, and only I get to make them.
No, you're acting like the people who got upset when apple dropped the price on the iPhone after they already bought it and demanded a refund.
Guess what? New tech emerges over time, new weapons emerge, new counters emerge, new vehicles emerge.
I'll reference another post from a while ago regarding respecs:
I went to college for engineering then broadcasting, I don't work in either of those fields now. Should the college give me back all my money for my time there because I couldn't find a job in either field? If so, how do they go about removing my knowledge on those subjects from my brain?
The AR isn't dead, you can still use it. It has it's place. Are things better in certain situations, absolutely.
As to the point of the time it takes, so effing what? It takes what, a week or two to get to proto weapon, 2 -3 for a suit? Really? F#cking instant gratification people, you're ruining everything because you cant have what you want RIGHT NOW! |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
2660
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Posted - 2014.04.17 14:14:00 -
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No, just.. no.
Annual respecs, pay to win respecs, "my mommy says I'm speshul so I deserve a respec" respecs, are all stupid stupid ideas and you should feel stupid for having them.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1790
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Posted - 2014.04.17 14:20:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:I went to college for engineering then broadcasting, I don't work in either of those fields now. Should the college give me back all my money for my time there because I couldn't find a job in either field? If so, how do they go about removing my knowledge on those subjects from my brain?
We're immortal mercenaries that have our consciousnesses stored digitally...
We utilize micro-wormholes to instantly teleport into battle...
We keep banks of genetically blank clone bodies in storage...
Please don't compare the real-world with a futuristic sci-fi setting. You aren't comparing apples to apples and you just end up looking silly.
RayRay James wrote:The AR isn't dead, you can still use it. It has it's place.
Whether the AR is useless, useful, or "dead" is not the question. CCP did not have a full weapon list on launch so players skilled into whatever was available at the time. Don't muddy the issue.
RayRay James wrote:As to the point of the time it takes, so effing what? It takes what, a week or two to get to proto weapon, 2 -3 for a suit?
The time is takes to skill into a prototype weapon is one argument for a refund... it isn't the strongest argument, which is probably why you choose to focus on it instead of the more viable arguments 
CCP lead us to believe that X, Y, and Z weapons were available Uprising 1.0. They didn't even hint at weapons A through W being released, or when they would be released. Because of that players specced into the weapons we had available to us at the time. Not because they fit our playstyles, or because we thought they would be great FotM weapons.
I know I wouldn't have put a single SP into the SMG if I had the magsec SMG available to me... And I even own an SMG BPO.
RayRay James wrote:Really? F#cking instant gratification people, you're ruining everything because you cant have what you want RIGHT NOW!
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
79
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Posted - 2014.04.17 14:32:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:RayRay James wrote:I went to college for engineering then broadcasting, I don't work in either of those fields now. Should the college give me back all my money for my time there because I couldn't find a job in either field? If so, how do they go about removing my knowledge on those subjects from my brain? We're immortal mercenaries that have our consciousnesses stored digitally... We utilize micro-wormholes to instantly teleport into battle... We keep banks of genetically blank clone bodies in storage... Please don't compare the real-world with a futuristic sci-fi setting. You aren't comparing apples to apples and you just end up looking silly. RayRay James wrote:The AR isn't dead, you can still use it. It has it's place. Whether the AR is useless, useful, or "dead" is not the question. CCP did not have a full weapon list on launch so players skilled into whatever was available at the time. Don't muddy the issue. RayRay James wrote:As to the point of the time it takes, so effing what? It takes what, a week or two to get to proto weapon, 2 -3 for a suit? The time is takes to skill into a prototype weapon is one argument for a refund... it isn't the strongest argument, which is probably why you choose to focus on it instead of the more viable arguments CCP lead us to believe that X, Y, and Z weapons were available Uprising 1.0. They didn't even hint at weapons A through W being released, or when they would be released. Because of that players specced into the weapons we had available to us at the time. Not because they fit our playstyles, or because we thought they would be great FotM weapons. I know I wouldn't have put a single SP into the SMG if I had the magsec SMG available to me... And I even own an SMG BPO. RayRay James wrote:Really? F#cking instant gratification people, you're ruining everything because you cant have what you want RIGHT NOW!
I'm not going to attack everything here, just two parts
Let's say CCP does let you have all your weapon SP back. Then in 2 months they buff/nerf everything again and the AR can shoot 200 M for 1000 dmg per shot, are you going to whine then that you don't have your SP in AR still?
As for the additional weapons, are you going to want a respec every time they add something? If so, just leave Dust now, because CCP are always going to add/remove/change/nerf/buff this game |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3946
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Posted - 2014.04.17 14:35:00 -
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No.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1790
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Posted - 2014.04.17 14:45:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Let's say CCP does let you have all your weapon SP back. Then in 2 months they buff/nerf everything again and the AR can shoot 200 M for 1000 dmg per shot, are you going to whine then that you don't have your SP in AR still
CCP could give the AR a 100m optimal range, 2.0m splash, and 300 round clips. I would not use it again. I want to use Caldari and Amarr weaponry. Call it roleplaying, or just being stubborn; that's just how I play.
RayRay James wrote:As for the additional weapons, are you going to want a respec every time they add something?
No, just when they have racial weapon parity.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
864
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Posted - 2014.04.17 16:05:00 -
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No. No more respecs. CCP gave you a dropsuit command respec when all dropsuits were released. Now, most suits are out. Many weapons are out (but there will ALWAYS be new ones added--deal with it).
The time for respecs is over.
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Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
864
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Posted - 2014.04.17 16:07:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:like choosing the role you want with absolute certainty, then CCP changing it in 8 months' time, rewriting the bonuses for most things, and finding out you're getting back a fraction of the SP you've spent, rather than everything so you can reevaluate what you want. This is the biggest line of horseshit in this thread. CCP didn't fundamentally change the roles. Your logi still does logistics. Your heavy suit still shoots the HMG. Your scanner still scans. Don't spew this garbage that now your world is turned upside down. Oh damn, you won't have things that are overpowered anymore. Deal with it.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
1790
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Posted - 2014.04.17 16:16:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:CCP gave you a dropsuit command respec when all dropsuits were released.
The logic behind the SP refund for Dropsuit Command was that players skilled into dropsuits before the entire line-up of dropsuits was available.
That same logic can be applied to weapons, you realize that right?
Hypothetically, a player creates his merc on launch day. He wants an automatic sidearm so naturally he skills into the SMG because that was the only automatic sidearm available to him on launch.
Fast forward to 1.8...
This player now has the magsec SMG available to him; his playstyle favors the magsec's range more than the SMG's extended clip and higher RoF. Sucks to be him right? The hundreds of thousands of SP he devoted to the SMG aren't going to do him any good now that he has the weapon he's wanted all along: the magsec SMG.
It is not the players' fault that CCP did not have a complete weapon list in Uprising 1.0. When we have full racial weapon parity CCP would do well to refund the SP in the weaponry tree.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
80
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Posted - 2014.04.17 16:22:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:
It is not the players' fault that CCP did not have a complete weapon list in Uprising 1.0. When we have full racial weapon parity CCP would do well to refund the SP in the weaponry tree.
NO!
I was against the suit refund but I understand why they did it. The only way I believe you will ever be happy is if you get a respec every time anything is added. I know what you are saying, I don't believe it to be the truth.
You claim you'll stop once racial parity exists among the weapons. What happens when they add a t2 amarr weapon or add additional weapons that aren't even part of the scope right now? Should CCP stop developing weapons once there is one racial weapon of each type, because by your logic, if CCP were to add a weapon to gallente that no one else has, you should get another respec.
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Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
213
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Posted - 2014.04.17 16:26:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:No. Choices have consequences, don't spend your SP on stuff you aren't sure about. Stuff we aren't sure about, like choosing the role you want with absolute certainty, then CCP changing it in 8 months' time, rewriting the bonuses for most things, and finding out you're getting back a fraction of the SP you've spent, rather than everything so you can reevaluate what you want. That's not a player mistake. That's a developer changing everything, which deserves a full respec. People like you are the reason we can't have nice things. A hypothetical: CCP: "We're taking out the scanners for a month to rework them, they WILL be back in one month's time." Forums: "Okay, can we have the SP back?" People like you: "No, you made a choice, accept the consequences." CPM: "Whatever, we don't care." Just like they said they were removing the Sagaris and Surya for rework, and we haven't heard a peep from CCP about them.
perfect example.
I deploy, Was spec'd into tanks a bit.... I first thought, Man can't wait to spend that passive sp and use all those BO tanks that i've salvaged...
look at skill tree....
facepalm...
put controller down and walk away for 4 days.
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Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
865
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Posted - 2014.04.17 16:27:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Vespasian Andendare wrote:CCP gave you a dropsuit command respec when all dropsuits were released. The logic behind the SP refund for Dropsuit Command was that players skilled into dropsuits before the entire line-up of dropsuits was available. That same logic can be applied to weapons, you realize that right? Hypothetically, a player creates his merc on launch day. He wants an automatic sidearm so naturally he skills into the SMG because that was the only automatic sidearm available to him on launch. Fast forward to 1.8... This player now has the magsec SMG available to him; his playstyle favors the magsec's range more than the SMG's extended clip and higher RoF. Sucks to be him right? The hundreds of thousands of SP he devoted to the SMG aren't going to do him any good now that he has the weapon he's wanted all along: the magsec SMG. It is not the players' fault that CCP did not have a complete weapon list in Uprising 1.0. When we have full racial weapon parity CCP would do well to refund the SP in the weaponry tree. CCP didn't even have to give you the respec on drop suits. They could easily have said you got plenty of "value" out of the SP you spent in the (whatever limited dropsuit choice you made), because you've been running that suit until 1.8. That same argument can be made with weapons. In fact, CCP trickled out weapons much slower than they did with drop suits. If you can't somehow generate 18k sp to skill into a new weapon, then you're doing it wrong.
I'm sorry, are you honestly trying to say that playing with the SMG for nearly a year was *now* wasted SP because you wanted a Magsec way back when? Is the Magsec's performance so overpowered that your SMG skills is utterly useless now? Oh woe is the merc who can't find 18k sp to skill into the Magsec since he doesn't like the SMG's "high clip and rate of fire."
God, these arguments are so weak and so thin that they just don't hold up. Furthermore, CCP has essentially "given" you 2 million SP before 1.8, an easy 750k after 1.8 and nearly 500k for this triple SP week. So, if you're so ****-poor at planning that you "blew" 3,250,000 SP on **** you didn't need instead of spending 18,000 of that SP into a Magsec, then you absolutely deserve to NOT use one. But as far as getting a respec? No. Just ******* deal with it.
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE NEW THINGS ADDED TO THE GAME. YOU WILL NOT GET A RESPEC EVERY TIME.
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RayRay James wrote:You claim you'll stop once racial parity exists among the weapons. What happens when they add a t2 amarr weapon or add additional weapons that aren't even part of the scope right now?
When/if CCP adds higher "tiers" of weapons that is not the same as fleshing out an incomplete weapon list. In one scenario you are adding missing content, content that SHOULD be there but isn't. In the other scenario you are adding new content that piggybacks off of existing, fully realized content.
When they add whole new spectrum of weapons. For example, let's say EWAR ends up falling into the Weaponry tree somehow. The same logic I used above applies... they aren't adding missing content. They are adding totally new content.
RayRay James wrote:Should CCP stop developing weapons once there is one racial weapon of each type, because by your logic, if CCP were to add a weapon to gallente that no one else has, you should get another respec.
I'll make this simple: when all four races have parity within the weapon list that exists as of 1.8 then we no longer need respecs from that point onward. Any choices players have made will be valid, and will not have been made for them by CCP, at that point.
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RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.04.17 16:38:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:RayRay James wrote:You claim you'll stop once racial parity exists among the weapons. What happens when they add a t2 amarr weapon or add additional weapons that aren't even part of the scope right now? When/if CCP adds higher "tiers" of weapons that is not the same as fleshing out an incomplete weapon list. In one scenario you are adding missing content, content that SHOULD be there but isn't. In the other scenario you are adding new content that piggybacks off of existing, fully realized content. When they add whole new spectrum of weapons. For example, let's say EWAR ends up falling into the Weaponry tree somehow. The same logic I used above applies... they aren't adding missing content. They are adding totally new content. RayRay James wrote:Should CCP stop developing weapons once there is one racial weapon of each type, because by your logic, if CCP were to add a weapon to gallente that no one else has, you should get another respec. I'll make this simple: when all four races have parity within the weapon list that exists as of 1.8 then we no longer need respecs from that point onward. Any choices players have made will be valid, and will not have been made for them by CCP, at that point.
I'll make this simpler then:
They released everything they had planned at 1.0, there was no "missing" content. Everything since then is new weaponry and suits, racial parity or not.
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Posted - 2014.04.17 16:41:00 -
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Vespasian Andendare wrote:CCP didn't even have to give you the respec on dropsuits. They could easily have said you got plenty of "value" out of the SP you spent in the (whatever limited dropsuit choice you made), because you've been running that suit until 1.8.
Yes, but they didn't, did they? CCP saw that line of logic doesn't hold water.
Vespasian Andendare wrote:If you can't somehow generate 18k sp to skill into a new weapon, then you're doing it wrong.
Generating more SP to skill into weapons that now exist isn't the issue. We've already established that getting into a prototype weapon isn't difficult. That isn't the argument here.
Vespasian Andendare wrote:I'm sorry, are you honestly trying to say that playing with the SMG for nearly a year was *now* wasted SP because you wanted a Magsec way back when? Is the Magsec's performance so overpowered that your SMG skills is utterly useless now? Oh woe is the merc who can't find 18k sp to skill into the Magsec since he doesn't like the SMG's "high clip and rate of fire."
The SMG is a high RoF, CQC weapon with a large clip.
The magsec is a comparatively lower RoF, short-to-mid range weapon with a smaller clip.
These weapons are similar, but are used in very different ways. Meaning a player's preference could have leaned toward the magsec, but they were never given the option to choose from the get-go. The SMG was close enough, so we used it at the time.
And yes, if the magsec, in this example, is the weapon that suits my playstyle better than the SMG; the SP spent on the SMG is now effectively useless. Why would I continue to use the SMG when the magsec is the weapon I obviously would have rather used from day 1?
Vespasian Andendare wrote:THERE WILL ALWAYS BE NEW THINGS ADDED TO THE GAME. YOU WILL NOT GET A RESPEC EVERY TIME.
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Posted - 2014.04.17 16:46:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:They released everything they had planned at 1.0, there was no "missing" content.
Hardly...
But I have a feeling you aren't going to be swayed by anything I say anyway. If you have read my posts in this thread and still don't see why a weaponry respec is needed (not now, mind you, but after we achieve weapon parity) then you must have gotten lucky and fallen in love with one of the Uprising 1.0 weapons.
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RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.04.17 16:50:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:
Generating more SP to skill into weapons that now exist isn't the issue. We've already established that getting into a prototype weapon isn't difficult. That isn't the argument here.
Then what exactly is the argument?
If it's not hard to do, why complain about needing a respec?
Also, new content is announced weeks in advance. We get spreadsheets, dev blogs, conversations with players and CPM. If you see something coming down the pipe, start saving your SP. Then, if you reeeeeeeally want something thats "oh, new shiny" you can go straight to prototype if your heart desires. If you cant control yourself enough to not spend your SP, then you have to wait to get the new-bestest.
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Egonz4 wrote:Theres a rumor goin around that we might get a full respec in may......I think it would be a good idea to have a full respec every new release (chromosone, uprising...etc...)
Im not crying for a respec.....they could start it next year for all I care but i just think people would stop crying if they knew there gonna get to correct there mistakes once the yearly respec comes around.
thoughts.........
It does change nothing. Whatever you spec / respec into, whoever has more SP than you will beat you. With or without respec.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.04.17 17:06:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Then what exactly is the argument?/quote]
We shouldn't be locked out of a portion of out SP because CCP couldn't be bothered to launch with a complete weapon list.
[quote=RayRay James]Also, new content is announced weeks in advance. We get spreadsheets, dev blogs, conversations with players and CPM. If you see something coming down the pipe, start saving your SP. Then, if you reeeeeeeally want something thats "oh, new shiny" you can go straight to prototype if your heart desires. If you cant control yourself enough to not spend your SP, then you have to wait to get the new-bestest.
Nothing is just dropped into Dust without PLENTY of warning. THAT is your notice and your choice.
We're weren't told on launch day when, or what, would be available in the coming patches.
If a new player had been told that the CR or RR would be available by 1.X patch they might save their SP (as you are suggesting) until their racial weapon of choice has been released. They weren't offered that.
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RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.04.17 17:06:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:RayRay James wrote:They released everything they had planned at 1.0, there was no "missing" content. Hardly... But I have a feeling you aren't going to be swayed by anything I say anyway. If you have read my posts in this thread and still don't see why a weaponry respec is needed (not now, mind you, but after we achieve weapon parity) then you must have gotten lucky and fallen in love with one of the Uprising 1.0 weapons.
You're right, I won't be swayed by anything you say because, to me, you have been unable to fundamentally show a need for a respec. Not being able to get the newest weapon, or because there wasn't "racial parity" is not a reason.
Also, No I didn't "fall in love" with the 1.0 weapons.. I trained AR to 5 prof 4 then (was it 1.7) the CR / RR we're released. I trained them both to 1 to try them out. Ending up falling in LOVE with the CR, trained it to Cr 5 prof 3.
You know what? I never look at the AR and go "F#ck man, all that wasted SP"
I have SP in weapons all over the board to 1 to try them out, some I trained farther (forge guns, remote explosives), some stopped at 1 (MD, RR, ScR) because I don't enjoy them. I don't consider ANY of that wasted SP and that is what SHOULD be considered wasted SP. If CCP were to add militia versions of all those weapons, should I get that SP back? NO
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RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.04.17 17:10:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:RayRay James wrote:Then what exactly is the argument?/quote]
We shouldn't be locked out of a portion of out SP because CCP couldn't be bothered to launch with a complete weapon list.
[quote=RayRay James]Also, new content is announced weeks in advance. We get spreadsheets, dev blogs, conversations with players and CPM. If you see something coming down the pipe, start saving your SP. Then, if you reeeeeeeally want something thats "oh, new shiny" you can go straight to prototype if your heart desires. If you cant control yourself enough to not spend your SP, then you have to wait to get the new-bestest.
Nothing is just dropped into Dust without PLENTY of warning. THAT is your notice and your choice. We're weren't told on launch day when, or what, would be available in the coming patches. If a new player had been told that the CR or RR would be available by 1.X patch they might save their SP (as you are suggesting) until their racial weapon of choice has been released. They weren't offered that.
Seriously, you contradict yourself in nearly every other post.
If we weren't told on launch day about new weapons, then everything was "known" at that time. anything after that should be considered new content.
Players WERE told when the CR / RR were going to be available. the told us when 1.6 was active (incoming reason for saving SP), that in 1.7 (have SP saved by now) there would be new things to point at the enemy. I'm sure CCP didn't even have artwork, let alone stats and descriptions, etc for the CR / RR when 1.0 was released. |
Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.04.17 17:23:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:I have SP in weapons all over the board to 1 to try them out, some I trained farther (forge guns, remote explosives), some stopped at 1 (MD, RR, ScR) because I don't enjoy them. I don't consider ANY of that wasted SP and that is what SHOULD be considered wasted SP. If CCP were to add militia versions of all those weapons, should I get that SP back? NO
Not to be terse... but good for you? I honestly could care less how you view your SP. The fact is we were allowed to skill into weapons before we had the ability to make an informed decision about those weapons.
You say choices matter. You say choices have consequences. You aren't wrong, but we weren't given enough choices.
What are you proposing we should have done? Made our characters then let them sit for months until we had the full list of weapons available to us? Some fun that would be!  I bet new players can't wait to run MIL fittings for more than a year while CCP adds in all of the missing content. I can see the tagline for Dust 514 now, "Dust 514, the wait is real!"
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RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.04.17 17:50:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:RayRay James wrote:I have SP in weapons all over the board to 1 to try them out, some I trained farther (forge guns, remote explosives), some stopped at 1 (MD, RR, ScR) because I don't enjoy them. I don't consider ANY of that wasted SP and that is what SHOULD be considered wasted SP. If CCP were to add militia versions of all those weapons, should I get that SP back? NO Not to be terse... but good for you? I honestly could care less how you view your SP. The fact is we were allowed to skill into weapons before we had the ability to make an informed decision about those weapons. You say choices matter. You say choices have consequences. You aren't wrong, but we weren't given enough choices. What are you proposing we should have done? Made our characters then let them sit for months until we had the full list of weapons available to us? Some fun that would be! I bet new players can't wait to run MIL fittings for more than a year while CCP adds in all of the missing content. I can see the tagline for Dust 514 now, "Dust 514, the wait is real!"
You were given plenty of choices, you just doing like that later on there were even more choices and cant go back in time and change your mind.
There were a lot of Light weapons, a few side arm and 2 heavy weapons. now there's 2 more light, 4 more side arm, and 0 more heavy. in the future, there will be # more light, # more side arm and 0 more heavy (cuz ccp hates heavies)
What's wrong with using whats given to you to start, and then making the choice to continue using that because you've skiled into it, or changing it up and skilling into something else? You keep talking of this missing content. There is no "missing" content. There is new content that hasn't been added yet.
When I started playing EVE, carriers were just being introduced. Should everyone in EVE have had their SP given back to them because carriers were introduced? If your answer to this is YES, quit playing Dust now.
When EVE was released, there were not even battleships and cruisers took a month+ to be able to afford. EVE now has literally multiples of 10 more content. The same will happen with Dust, and you should not get a respec every time something is added. If you think you should, again, quit playing Dust now and save your sanity. |
Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.04.17 18:24:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:What's wrong with using whats given to you to start, and then making the choice to continue using that because you've skiled into it, or changing it up and skilling into something else? You keep talking of this missing content. There is no "missing" content. There is new content that hasn't been added yet.
How about we agree to disagree? There are some fundamental issues we strongly disagree on ("missing content" is a good example). We both feel one way or another about respecs and you can't argue with emotion.
I highly doubt CCP is ever going to read any of the respec discussions anyway Chances are they have already made their decision.
But I do want to bring up one parting thought... these two sentences here...
RayRay James wrote:If your answer to this is YES, quit playing Dust now.
RayRay James wrote:If you think you should, again, quit playing Dust now and save your sanity.
...are not good for the community as a whole. We're already a small community; let's not encourage players to leave simply because they feel slighted by something. Mind you, I'm not going anywhere, but some newberry might get discouraged and take your advice... then we a lose one more squadmate or redberry. Even though Dust infuriates the ever living **** out of me sometimes, I want to see it survive.
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RayRay James
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Posted - 2014.04.17 18:45:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:RayRay James wrote:What's wrong with using whats given to you to start, and then making the choice to continue using that because you've skiled into it, or changing it up and skilling into something else? You keep talking of this missing content. There is no "missing" content. There is new content that hasn't been added yet. How about we agree to disagree? There are some fundamental issues we strongly disagree on ("missing content" is a good example). We both feel one way or another about respecs and you can't argue with emotion. I highly doubt CCP is ever going to read any of the respec discussions anyway Chances are they have already made their decision. But I do want to bring up one parting thought... these two sentences here... RayRay James wrote:If your answer to this is YES, quit playing Dust now. RayRay James wrote:If you think you should, again, quit playing Dust now and save your sanity. ...are not good for the community as a whole. We're already a small community; let's not encourage players to leave simply because they feel slighted by something. Mind you, I'm not going anywhere, but some newberry might get discouraged and take your advice... then we a lose one more squadmate or redberry. Even though Dust infuriates the ever living **** out of me sometimes, I want to see it survive.
I'll agree to disagree then.
The suggestion to leave is more of a hold over from my EVE days. You're right, we need new blood to keep the game going, but it needs to be the right blood with the right expectations for the game. This game will never be made to coddle players. New Eden is a cold, harsh, evil place and people need to expect that and not try and change it to be CoD or BF.
I too, want to see this game last as long as EVE has. Longer EVEn (see what I did there, ha). I don't like seeing the front page slammed full of whining and complaining because someone wants to drastically change this game. |
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