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Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1787	Posted - 2014.04.17 13:18:00 - [1] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Theres a rumor goin around that we might get a full respec in may......I think it would be a good idea to have a full respec every new release (chromosone, uprising...etc...) Im not crying for a respec.....they could start it next year for all I care but i just think people would stop crying if they knew there gonna get to correct there mistakes once the yearly respec comes around. thoughts......... A full respec? No, I highly doubt that. But a refund of the SP spent in the weaponry tree might happen when all of the racial weapons have been released. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1790	Posted - 2014.04.17 13:59:00 - [2] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Live with your choices Some choices were made for players. E.g. players who wanted a Caldari rifle in 1.0 didn't have the option. They could either sit on their SP until 1.7 (how fun is that?!) or spend it on some weapon they didn't necessarily love using, just to stay competitive. I will accept the "live with your choices" argument when my choices actually matter, and only I get to make them. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1790	Posted - 2014.04.17 14:20:00 - [3] - Quote RayRay James wrote: I went to college for engineering then broadcasting, I don't work in either of those fields now. Should the college give me back all my money for my time there because I couldn't find a job in either field? If so, how do they go about removing my knowledge on those subjects from my brain? We're immortal mercenaries that have our consciousnesses stored digitally... We utilize micro-wormholes to instantly teleport into battle... We keep banks of genetically blank clone bodies in storage... Please don't compare the real-world with a futuristic sci-fi setting. You aren't comparing apples to apples and you just end up looking silly. RayRay James wrote: The AR isn't dead, you can still use it. It has it's place. Whether the AR is useless, useful, or "dead" is not the question. CCP did not have a full weapon list on launch so players skilled into whatever was available at the time. Don't muddy the issue. RayRay James wrote: As to the point of the time it takes, so effing what? It takes what, a week or two to get to proto weapon, 2 -3 for a suit? The time is takes to skill into a prototype weapon is one argument for a refund... it isn't the strongest argument, which is probably why you choose to focus on it instead of the more viable arguments CCP lead us to believe that X, Y, and Z weapons were available Uprising 1.0. They didn't even hint at weapons A through W being released, or when they would be released. Because of that players specced into the weapons we had available to us at the time. Not because they fit our playstyles, or because we thought they would be great FotM weapons. I know I wouldn't have put a single SP into the SMG if I had the magsec SMG available to me... And I even own an SMG BPO. RayRay James wrote: Really? F#cking instant gratification people, you're ruining everything because you cant have what you want RIGHT NOW! He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1790	Posted - 2014.04.17 14:45:00 - [4] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Let's say CCP does let you have all your weapon SP back. Then in 2 months they buff/nerf everything again and the AR can shoot 200 M for 1000 dmg per shot, are you going to whine then that you don't have your SP in AR still CCP could give the AR a 100m optimal range, 2.0m splash, and 300 round clips. I would not use it again. I want to use Caldari and Amarr weaponry. Call it roleplaying, or just being stubborn; that's just how I play. RayRay James wrote: As for the additional weapons, are you going to want a respec every time they add something? No, just when they have racial weapon parity. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1790	Posted - 2014.04.17 16:16:00 - [5] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: CCP gave you a dropsuit command respec when all dropsuits were released. The logic behind the SP refund for Dropsuit Command was that players skilled into dropsuits before the entire line-up of dropsuits was available. That same logic can be applied to weapons, you realize that right? Hypothetically, a player creates his merc on launch day. He wants an automatic sidearm so naturally he skills into the SMG because that was the only automatic sidearm available to him on launch. Fast forward to 1.8... This player now has the magsec SMG available to him; his playstyle favors the magsec's range more than the SMG's extended clip and higher RoF. Sucks to be him right? The hundreds of thousands of SP he devoted to the SMG aren't going to do him any good now that he has the weapon he's wanted all along: the magsec SMG. It is not the players' fault that CCP did not have a complete weapon list in Uprising 1.0. When we have full racial weapon parity CCP would do well to refund the SP in the weaponry tree. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1790	Posted - 2014.04.17 16:31:00 - [6] - Quote RayRay James wrote: You claim you'll stop once racial parity exists among the weapons. What happens when they add a t2 amarr weapon or add additional weapons that aren't even part of the scope right now? When/if CCP adds higher "tiers" of weapons that is not the same as fleshing out an incomplete weapon list. In one scenario you are adding missing content, content that SHOULD be there but isn't. In the other scenario you are adding new content that piggybacks off of existing, fully realized content. When they add whole new spectrum of weapons. For example, let's say EWAR ends up falling into the Weaponry tree somehow. The same logic I used above applies... they aren't adding missing content. They are adding totally new content. RayRay James wrote: Should CCP stop developing weapons once there is one racial weapon of each type, because by your logic, if CCP were to add a weapon to gallente that no one else has, you should get another respec. I'll make this simple: when all four races have parity within the weapon list that exists as of 1.8 then we no longer need respecs from that point onward. Any choices players have made will be valid, and will not have been made for them by CCP, at that point. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1790	Posted - 2014.04.17 16:41:00 - [7] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: CCP didn't even have to give you the respec on dropsuits. They could easily have said you got plenty of "value" out of the SP you spent in the (whatever limited dropsuit choice you made), because you've been running that suit until 1.8. Yes, but they didn't, did they? CCP saw that line of logic doesn't hold water. Vespasian Andendare wrote: If you can't somehow generate 18k sp to skill into a new weapon, then you're doing it wrong. Generating more SP to skill into weapons that now exist isn't the issue. We've already established that getting into a prototype weapon isn't difficult. That isn't the argument here. Vespasian Andendare wrote: I'm sorry, are you honestly trying to say that playing with the SMG for nearly a year was now wasted SP because you wanted a Magsec way back when? Is the Magsec's performance so overpowered that your SMG skills is utterly useless now? Oh woe is the merc who can't find 18k sp to skill into the Magsec since he doesn't like the SMG's "high clip and rate of fire." The SMG is a high RoF, CQC weapon with a large clip. The magsec is a comparatively lower RoF, short-to-mid range weapon with a smaller clip. These weapons are similar, but are used in very different ways. Meaning a player's preference could have leaned toward the magsec, but they were never given the option to choose from the get-go. The SMG was close enough, so we used it at the time. And yes, if the magsec, in this example, is the weapon that suits my playstyle better than the SMG; the SP spent on the SMG is now effectively useless. Why would I continue to use the SMG when the magsec is the weapon I obviously would have rather used from day 1? Vespasian Andendare wrote: THERE WILL ALWAYS BE NEW THINGS ADDED TO THE GAME. YOU WILL NOT GET A RESPEC EVERY TIME. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1790	Posted - 2014.04.17 16:46:00 - [8] - Quote RayRay James wrote: They released everything they had planned at 1.0, there was no "missing" content. Hardly... But I have a feeling you aren't going to be swayed by anything I say anyway. If you have read my posts in this thread and still don't see why a weaponry respec is needed (not now, mind you, but after we achieve weapon parity) then you must have gotten lucky and fallen in love with one of the Uprising 1.0 weapons. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1790	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:06:00 - [9] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Then what exactly is the argument?/quote] We shouldn't be locked out of a portion of out SP because CCP couldn't be bothered to launch with a complete weapon list. [quote=RayRay James]Also, new content is announced weeks in advance. We get spreadsheets, dev blogs, conversations with players and CPM. If you see something coming down the pipe, start saving your SP. Then, if you reeeeeeeally want something thats "oh, new shiny" you can go straight to prototype if your heart desires. If you cant control yourself enough to not spend your SP, then you have to wait to get the new-bestest. Nothing is just dropped into Dust without PLENTY of warning. THAT is your notice and your choice. We're weren't told on launch day when, or what, would be available in the coming patches. If a new player had been told that the CR or RR would be available by 1.X patch they might save their SP (as you are suggesting) until their racial weapon of choice has been released. They weren't offered that. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1790	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:23:00 - [10] - Quote RayRay James wrote: I have SP in weapons all over the board to 1 to try them out, some I trained farther (forge guns, remote explosives), some stopped at 1 (MD, RR, ScR) because I don't enjoy them. I don't consider ANY of that wasted SP and that is what SHOULD be considered wasted SP. If CCP were to add militia versions of all those weapons, should I get that SP back? NO Not to be terse... but good for you? I honestly could care less how you view your SP. The fact is we were allowed to skill into weapons before we had the ability to make an informed decision about those weapons. You say choices matter. You say choices have consequences. You aren't wrong, but we weren't given enough choices. What are you proposing we should have done? Made our characters then let them sit for months until we had the full list of weapons available to us? Some fun that would be! I bet new players can't wait to run MIL fittings for more than a year while CCP adds in all of the missing content. I can see the tagline for Dust 514 now, "Dust 514, the wait is real!" He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1790	Posted - 2014.04.17 18:24:00 - [11] - Quote RayRay James wrote: What's wrong with using whats given to you to start, and then making the choice to continue using that because you've skiled into it, or changing it up and skilling into something else? You keep talking of this missing content. There is no "missing" content. There is new content that hasn't been added yet. How about we agree to disagree? There are some fundamental issues we strongly disagree on ("missing content" is a good example). We both feel one way or another about respecs and you can't argue with emotion. I highly doubt CCP is ever going to read any of the respec discussions anyway Chances are they have already made their decision. But I do want to bring up one parting thought... these two sentences here... RayRay James wrote: If your answer to this is YES, quit playing Dust now. RayRay James wrote: If you think you should, again, quit playing Dust now and save your sanity. ...are not good for the community as a whole. We're already a small community; let's not encourage players to leave simply because they feel slighted by something. Mind you, I'm not going anywhere, but some newberry might get discouraged and take your advice... then we a lose one more squadmate or redberry. Even though Dust infuriates the ever living **** out of me sometimes, I want to see it survive. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...

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