DUST Search - Dropship collision damage has changed... not in a good way.

Serimos Haeraven wrote:

I have literally NO idea why, but apparently, (not sure exactly when) CCP changed the Dropship collision damage to make them even more sensitive to landing and collisions with objects. My only question is why the hell they would do such a thing, when just a few months before they had re-adjusted it to where it actually made sense and worked. Now, if I'm landing, I have to literally be as careful as possible, because if I go 3 mph faster than a near stand-still landing, I'll loose more than half of my shield.

Before, the bottom of your dropship was considered the "tough" side of it, since it needs to make quick landings and take-offs to ferry troops in distress or land to drop uplinks. I used to only loose around 200-500 shield HP when doing a "quick" landing, but that has since quadrupled since this change to collision damage.

And this isn't the worst part; now users are taking ramming as a serious tactic, since these dropships have become that much more sensitive to collisions. I have seen literally 4 pilots in 3 sessions all try to just ram my dropship in an incubus instead of shoot at it. Being a veteran pilot, these kids are seriously ruining the actual intention of what an Assault dropship is made to do, and they take advantage of their armor buff as a buffer to survive the collision (even though no incubus survived running into me).

CCP, what the hell were you thinking when you yet again changed the collision damage for dropships? I assumed you learned from your lesson when you tortured us pilots for over an entire year, making us pay 1.5 million ISK for every single glass-cage dropship you gave us, but now you decide to make them fragile yet again, without warranting a reason for doing so.

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Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 709	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:08:00 - [1] - Quote I have literally NO idea why, but apparently, (not sure exactly when) CCP changed the Dropship collision damage to make them even more sensitive to landing and collisions with objects. My only question is why the hell they would do such a thing, when just a few months before they had re-adjusted it to where it actually made sense and worked. Now, if I'm landing, I have to literally be as careful as possible, because if I go 3 mph faster than a near stand-still landing, I'll loose more than half of my shield. Before, the bottom of your dropship was considered the "tough" side of it, since it needs to make quick landings and take-offs to ferry troops in distress or land to drop uplinks. I used to only loose around 200-500 shield HP when doing a "quick" landing, but that has since quadrupled since this change to collision damage. And this isn't the worst part; now users are taking ramming as a serious tactic, since these dropships have become that much more sensitive to collisions. I have seen literally 4 pilots in 3 sessions all try to just ram my dropship in an incubus instead of shoot at it. Being a veteran pilot, these kids are seriously ruining the actual intention of what an Assault dropship is made to do, and they take advantage of their armor buff as a buffer to survive the collision (even though no incubus survived running into me). CCP, what the hell were you thinking when you yet again changed the collision damage for dropships? I assumed you learned from your lesson when you tortured us pilots for over an entire year, making us pay 1.5 million ISK for every single glass-cage dropship you gave us, but now you decide to make them fragile yet again, without warranting a reason for doing so. Tankers are being diagnosed with a new disease; Cancer of the Assault Dropship. Many of them don't survive.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 432	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:12:00 - [2] - Quote i see more pythons trying to ram my grimness more so. more idiots fly caldari for whatever reason. if they really want to spend 500k to take out my 200k ship then i just laugh and call another one and i'm not saying your an idiot for flying caldari i just see more that do it seems the caldari the go to ship for scrubbery u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 709	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:14:00 - [3] - Quote Zirzo Valcyn wrote: i see more pythons trying to ram my grimness more so. more idiots fly caldari for whatever reason. if they really want to spend 500k to take out my 200k ship then i just laugh and call another one Personally, I've NEVER tried to ram another pilot, it's just plain cheating in my opinion. And I love my Python. That's what frustrates me even more, these rammers are often using Assault dropships, making them appear to be a serious pilot, when in reality its just an 8 year old kid in disguise that activates his afterburner right into the side of your hull... It's pathetic man. Tankers are being diagnosed with a new disease; Cancer of the Assault Dropship. Many of them don't survive.
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 434	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:19:00 - [4] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: Zirzo Valcyn wrote: i see more pythons trying to ram my grimness more so. more idiots fly caldari for whatever reason. if they really want to spend 500k to take out my 200k ship then i just laugh and call another one Personally, I've NEVER tried to ram another pilot, it's just plain cheating in my opinion. And I love my Python. That's what frustrates me even more, these rammers are often using Assault dropships, making them appear to be a serious pilot, when in reality its just an 8 year old kid in disguise that activates his afterburner right into the side of your hull... It's pathetic man. yea which is why i call a standard at the first of the map with a gunner we **** everyone off so they call their 500k kamikazee. if they're successful we call our ADS after they ram our STD which always kills their caldari since were in a tanked grim. if they really wanna spend 1+ mil that match to kamikazee cheaper ships than theirs they're beyond idiot. most are done after they use they're first ADS as a kamikazee, really really helps to have a gunner these days because ramming is rampant right now but a gunner usually tears em up because their fit is a joke and they really feel stupid when theyre kamikazee is shot down. you can just watch the level of tryhard rise when they're pissed off at your DS u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 71	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:34:00 - [5] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: Zirzo Valcyn wrote: i see more pythons trying to ram my grimness more so. more idiots fly caldari for whatever reason. if they really want to spend 500k to take out my 200k ship then i just laugh and call another one Personally, I've NEVER tried to ram another pilot, it's just plain cheating in my opinion. And I love my Python. That's what frustrates me even more, these rammers are often using Assault dropships, making them appear to be a serious pilot, when in reality its just an 8 year old kid in disguise that activates his afterburner right into the side of your hull... It's pathetic man. I have no idea how you fly Caldari, if I even graze a leaf I lose all my shields and armor and crash. Gallente ADS, I can run into a wall at top speed and survive. Yes, my skills are roughly equal in both
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12795	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:42:00 - [6] - Quote I played my first match in almost a month, did a crazy maneuver to engage a tank, literally barely scraped the ground with my hardener on at full health, and exploded. Returned to not playing dust My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 712	Posted - 2014.04.16 15:58:00 - [7] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I played my first match in almost a month, did a crazy maneuver to engage a tank, literally barely scraped the ground with my hardener on at full health, and exploded. Returned to not playing dust See man! I'm not making this up, they seriously did a silent patch to collision damage. It's bull **... lol RayRay James wrote: Serimos Haeraven wrote: Zirzo Valcyn wrote:** i see more pythons trying to ram my grimness more so. more idiots fly caldari for whatever reason. if they really want to spend 500k to take out my 200k ship then i just laugh and call another one Personally, I've NEVER tried to ram another pilot, it's just plain cheating in my opinion. And I love my Python. That's what frustrates me even more, these rammers are often using Assault dropships, making them appear to be a serious pilot, when in reality its just an 8 year old kid in disguise that activates his afterburner right into the side of your hull... It's pathetic man. I have no idea how you fly Caldari, if I even graze a leaf I lose all my shields and armor and crash. Gallente ADS, I can run into a wall at top speed and survive. Yes, my skills are roughly equal in both Well, NOW their sheilds are apparently weak as hell, but they used to be able to take collisions reasonably well. Now it seems to be the case that they are back to being a cage of glass that flys. Why CCP, WHY?? Tankers are being diagnosed with a new disease; Cancer of the Assault Dropship. Many of them don't survive.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1212	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:04:00 - [8] - Quote Wait... you actually touch down to pick people up? ahahahaha Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 712	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:06:00 - [9] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Wait... you actually touch down to pick people up? ahahahaha It was an example of things that get ruined now as a result of the collision damage change. Sure, occasionally I'll hover to pick up my team mates, but often times that leads me to get shot by an enemy railgun tank since I'm higher off of the ground, and often times blue berries aren't smart enough to think to jump a few feet and then get in, so landing often usually gets more passengers in my ship. Tankers are being diagnosed with a new disease; Cancer of the Assault Dropship. Many of them don't survive.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1999	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:13:00 - [10] - Quote I've been taking environmental damage in my tank recently. It's not just the dropship that has changed. But I do agree that dropships die way too easily to even slight collisions. I remember having 2 shield hardeners on, and colliding ever so slightly with a dropship, and mine dropped down to 0/0 in an instant. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 733	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:16:00 - [11] - Quote WHY CCP WHY! "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 435	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:19:00 - [12] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Wait... you actually touch down to pick people up? ahahahaha i do it every match u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Virtual Riot Rebels New Republic INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 345	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:31:00 - [13] - Quote I vied for a nerf to Railguns to help dropships. You got your nerf. ADS is very powerful now. You're not gonna die unless you are really bad, or 2 guys sync up breach FG shots. Railguns got nerfed now you're all complaining about collision damage. No one complained about collision damage before railguns were nerfed, but now that its the only thing that kills you it has to be nerfed. Does the QQ ever end? Be happy with what you got. Fixing FGs > all
VonSpliff TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 145	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:33:00 - [14] - Quote Lol I've been ramming dropship a since dropships where introduced. But I do agree, the damage mechanic are off. My guess is when they were tring to fix the Vs weapon damage the broke the environment detection. If I tap the environment it hits harder than any swarms. Even the underside. But please stop QQing cuase someone tries to run you over. Your in a Flying Vehicle, and should be weaker to high speed collisions. And with AV so F'd it's your only threat. So fly hard you kamakazi sons of b1tches. And CCP just one more broken item for the patch list. "It never got weird enough for me." Dr. T
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 43	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:34:00 - [15] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: I have literally NO idea why, but apparently, (not sure exactly when) CCP changed the Dropship collision damage to make them even more sensitive to landing and collisions with objects. My only question is why the hell they would do such a thing, when just a few months before they had re-adjusted it to where it actually made sense and worked. Now, if I'm landing, I have to literally be as careful as possible, because if I go 3 mph faster than a near stand-still landing, I'll loose more than half of my shield. Before, the bottom of your dropship was considered the "tough" side of it, since it needs to make quick landings and take-offs to ferry troops in distress or land to drop uplinks. I used to only loose around 200-500 shield HP when doing a "quick" landing, but that has since quadrupled since this change to collision damage. And this isn't the worst part; now users are taking ramming as a serious tactic, since these dropships have become that much more sensitive to collisions. I have seen literally 4 pilots in 3 sessions all try to just ram my dropship in an incubus instead of shoot at it. Being a veteran pilot, these kids are seriously ruining the actual intention of what an Assault dropship is made to do, and they take advantage of their armor buff as a buffer to survive the collision (even though no incubus survived running into me). CCP, what the hell were you thinking when you yet again changed the collision damage for dropships? I assumed you learned from your lesson when you tortured us pilots for over an entire year, making us pay 1.5 million ISK for every single glass-cage dropship you gave us, but now you decide to make them fragile yet again, without warranting a reason for doing so. Here's something to also take into account. If you are right over the ground, and I'm talking about less than a foot above the ground, and you jump out or swap seats and no one is in the pilot seat... then when it lands, it just plain explodes. No warning. Just boom. Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 713	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:41:00 - [16] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: I've been taking environmental damage in my tank recently. It's not just the dropship that has changed. But I do agree that dropships die way too easily to even slight collisions. I remember having 2 shield hardeners on, and colliding ever so slightly with a dropship, and mine dropped down to 0/0 in an instant. I don't quite understand their motive in changing the collision damage for all vehicles. It just doesn't make sense. Ps. Congrats on reaching 2K likes lol Tankers are being diagnosed with a new disease; Cancer of the Assault Dropship. Many of them don't survive.
Jet Starflyer Pradox One Proficiency V. 13	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:44:00 - [17] - Quote I have noticed far more people just trying to ram me out of the sky recently. It's made me have to adjust my game quite a bit in matches where there are several dropships trying to ram me as soon as I try to engage anything. It's a frustrating and cheap tactic, but I'm not sure how you can change it. High speed collisions should be able to take out dropships.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 73	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:02:00 - [18] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: I vied for a nerf to Railguns to help dropships. You got your nerf. ADS is very powerful now. You're not gonna die unless you are really bad, or 2 guys sync up breach FG shots. Railguns got nerfed now you're all complaining about collision damage. No one complained about collision damage before railguns were nerfed, but now that its the only thing that kills you it has to be nerfed. Does the QQ ever end? Be happy with what you got. I'm not complaining, I just find it very odd that a Caldari ADS can't even brush up against something while in flight without instantaly dropping to 0/0 and crashing and a Gallente ADS can crash into multiple things and still survive.
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 716	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:10:00 - [19] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Virtual Riot wrote: I vied for a nerf to Railguns to help dropships. You got your nerf. ADS is very powerful now. You're not gonna die unless you are really bad, or 2 guys sync up breach FG shots. Railguns got nerfed now you're all complaining about collision damage. No one complained about collision damage before railguns were nerfed, but now that its the only thing that kills you it has to be nerfed. Does the QQ ever end? Be happy with what you got. I'm not complaining, I just find it very odd that a Caldari ADS can't even brush up against something while in flight without instantaly dropping to 0/0 and crashing and a Gallente ADS can crash into multiple things and still survive. I choose to ignore people like that. Tankers are being diagnosed with a new disease; Cancer of the Assault Dropship. Many of them don't survive.
Kaminoikari DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 72	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:13:00 - [20] - Quote Jet Starflyer wrote: I have noticed far more people just trying to ram me out of the sky recently. It's made me have to adjust my game quite a bit in matches where there are several dropships trying to ram me as soon as I try to engage anything. It's a frustrating and cheap tactic, but I'm not sure how you can change it. High speed collisions should be able to take out dropships. My God. I noticed this whole increase in dropships attempting to ram my Incubus (even other Pythons for Christ's Sake). I can't really complain because the odds of them ever even touching me are minimal, but when they do, I rage for days. I look at it as a spam of WP for me since I'll just pull out a small railgun (since most of the rammers use shield derpships) and shoot them down without any hassle. Off topic: I actually got ragemail yesterday from some Python pilot who claimed I rammed him. I don't purposely ram people in my .5m ISK ADS. ***** be crazy. Anyway, just pull out a small rail ADS and gun these people down. It made the air more fun to be in. Dropships need a buff. This way they can stop derping everywhere . ;_; >Tfw no Amarr dropship and laser turrets

Seeth Mensch Capital Acquisitions LLC Dirt Nap Squad. 211	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:17:00 - [21] - Quote I specc'd into a level 4 Cal ADS, got the missiles up to proto, all my engine gear up to 4...and have quit flying. It was literally the most enjoyable thing I could do, but it's so damned hard because of the cheap tactics. I get that they should be fragile, but the problem really is that it isn't FUN. People who learn to fly an ADS, especially fly one well, are there for a certain kind of experience. Surviving or losing to a forge gun, or a rail gun, is part of the deal. We dodge and weave...and then Derpship Mcduh drops down like a caveman hitting a black belt. Flying with proper instrumentation? OK. Proximity alarms? OK. Proper visualizing (ie rendering) of the target? OK. Some knucklehead getting lucky enough to ram you because you can't do anything to keep your intel on him current and are trying to contribute to the team? Sigh. So, I pound the dust like the rest of the clones and wait. Sometimes I fly anyway, but not with the joy and abandon that I crave. I want dogfights in the air, and dodging incoming fire from the ground. Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12797	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:30:00 - [22] - Quote I continue to fly solo against the worst of odds because im a masochist and like being poor. I feel bad for people who can't kill dropships, even swarms have somehow started to be a threat, which has genuinely surprised me. Dropship ramming is infuriating but 100% legit, it separates the boys from the men. My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 353	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:35:00 - [23] - Quote Not a fan of the whole kamikaze thing. Bad precedent for game play. Why skill in to a counter weapon or vehicle if all one needs to do is run a low or no cost vehicle in to something. In addition it creates balancing issues that were not accounted for as far as we know when vehicles are designed.(armor > shield).
Pocket Rocket Girl Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 78	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:38:00 - [24] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I played my first match in almost a month, did a crazy maneuver to engage a tank, literally barely scraped the ground with my hardener on at full health, and exploded. Returned to not playing dust i t hink i saw you in that match were you in ambush when it happened?
Sad Heavy Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 30	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:41:00 - [25] - Quote Kaminoikari wrote: Jet Starflyer wrote: I have noticed far more people just trying to ram me out of the sky recently. It's made me have to adjust my game quite a bit in matches where there are several dropships trying to ram me as soon as I try to engage anything. It's a frustrating and cheap tactic, but I'm not sure how you can change it. High speed collisions should be able to take out dropships. My God. I noticed this whole increase in dropships attempting to ram my Incubus (even other Pythons for Christ's Sake). I can't really complain because the odds of them ever even touching me are minimal, but when they do, I rage for days. I look at it as a spam of WP for me since I'll just pull out a small railgun (since most of the rammers use shield derpships) and shoot them down without any hassle. Off topic: I actually got ragemail yesterday from some Python pilot who claimed I rammed him. I don't purposely ram people in my .5m ISK ADS. ***** be crazy. Anyway, just pull out a small rail ADS and gun these people down. It made the air more fun to be in. I was in his squad, it was quite hilarious to watch.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12797	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:42:00 - [26] - Quote Pocket Rocket Girl wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I played my first match in almost a month, did a crazy maneuver to engage a tank, literally barely scraped the ground with my hardener on at full health, and exploded. Returned to not playing dust i t hink i saw you in that match were you in ambush when it happened? I think so. First and last ambush all year lmao My DUST 514 Music Videos Solo Incubus pilot, superb expert of wallet depletion
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3388	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:46:00 - [27] - Quote Is there a strong side to the DS anymore? It seems no matter where you hit it you will go to 0/0 Hardeners means jack **** and stop 0 enviromental damage it seems, maybe if you have 4 on it then it helps sometimes Cant really land without losing half your tank Shield DS are so much weaker than armor i find
Jimbo Boilstaff THE MASSIVE DYNAMIC 100	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:01:00 - [28] - Quote For me Dropship piloting is the best thing about dust.... Yeah swarmies are much tougher since the update,,, forge guns are deadly and rail guns still keep my pants continually crap filled.... Perhaps infantry vs DS's needs a slight buff still,, but i think the balance is pretty neat right now The only thing currently,, that makes me hate things and wanna hang up my dropship boots... is the collision damage... I can even cope with the Rob Van Damme knocking me out the sky when some blueberries call in their LAV's,,, but for an insta-kill when another dropship 'touches' me,,,, it's so frickin harsh!! Especially as they get away pretty unscathed.... There's this whole tactic of a cheapy gallente ship that hovers above the map,,, and drops uplinks on the high points above the cities. Any other dropship that goes to deal with the uplinks just gets crashed into..... come on you *****,,, lets fight for real rather than this!! I must confess it's made me resort to the E3 build tactics of landing my dropship on their heads while they drop the uplinks,,, love painiting my dropship hull with the squiched remains of cheeky f-tards! I'm not even saying it shouldn't damage,,, for sure it should..... And maybe if those flying Gallente tanks have enough speed then they should get an insta-kill.... but a gentle tap shouldn't send me burning to the ground Oh,,, and anyone else notice it locks you in the ship once its destroyed now??? No more pilot bailing booo
Christiphoros von Poe Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 324	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:23:00 - [29] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Pocket Rocket Girl wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I played my first match in almost a month, did a crazy maneuver to engage a tank, literally barely scraped the ground with my hardener on at full health, and exploded. Returned to not playing dust i t hink i saw you in that match were you in ambush when it happened? I think so. First and last ambush all year lmao I think I was in that match too.. I saw you crash and tried to see if anyone survived so I could pick them off... Wasn't expecting a proto Gal heavy... (1) "Exile" Assault Rifle reserved for: Fire of Prometheus Uprising->Replication->E3->Codex->Chromosome->Uprising->???
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 18	Posted - 2014.04.16 18:47:00 - [30] - Quote Ever seen two heli or jets touch in flight. Somthing flying would be heavily damaged by collision.... Birds take out jets lol Lonewolf till I die



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