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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.04.18 22:48:00 -
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Ok, here is why currently your request will not be listened to.
1) Redline Snipers There are people here that are so bad at this game, that sit in the redline in, get this a 1900 EHP sentinel a pop people without a care in the world. This is damn wrong and your first mistake.
2) Your statement "Get gud and use a Sniper Rifle" You clearly do not understand the mechanics of this game, you should not need to use a sniper to kill a sniper. You need a hard counter that differs from the original threat. In the case of snipers the best counter should be shotgun to the rear end of the cranium.
3) You statement "Stop with Risk vs Reward" What you want us to keel over and let you have free kills? Once again your lack of knowledge concerning the games meta is most disturbing, every suit costs that person money, every single suit. The idea of Risk vs Reward is the more risks you take (suit costs, running solo behind redberry lines, using short-ranged weaponry) the better your reward if you pull it off. There is no risk to sniping THROUGH terrain inside your redline to kill people actively part-taking in battle.
So in short, if you want ANY kind of buff to Sniper Rifles then find a way to force them from the redline. Because so long as Snipers abusethe redline their weapon is DESERVEDLY bad.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:18:00 -
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Symbioticforks wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Ok, here is why currently your request will not be listened to.
1) Redline Snipers There are people here that are so bad at this game, that sit in the redline in, get this a 1900 EHP sentinel a pop people without a care in the world. This is damn wrong and your first mistake.
2) Your statement "Get gud and use a Sniper Rifle" You clearly do not understand the mechanics of this game, you should not need to use a sniper to kill a sniper. You need a hard counter that differs from the original threat. In the case of snipers the best counter should be shotgun to the rear end of the cranium.
3) You statement "Stop with Risk vs Reward" What you want us to keel over and let you have free kills? Once again your lack of knowledge concerning the games meta is most disturbing, every suit costs that person money, every single suit. The idea of Risk vs Reward is the more risks you take (suit costs, running solo behind redberry lines, using short-ranged weaponry) the better your reward if you pull it off. There is no risk to sniping THROUGH terrain inside your redline to kill people actively part-taking in battle.
So in short, if you want ANY kind of buff to Sniper Rifles then find a way to force them from the redline. Because so long as Snipers abusethe redline their weapon is DESERVEDLY bad. Read my posts about red line snipers. Dust 514 has many specific roles. Sniping is a very minor specific role. if you're getting killed from the enemy red line you're doing it wrong. 1) You're probably winning already since you're pushing towards it 2) You're probably standing still or moving in predictable patterns 3) You're probably out in the open running around like you own the place You deserve to get sniped. The enemy team is down a player who can spawn in and focus any objective on the map. They're sacrificing someone who could actively be participating to have them solely focus on a certain half or section of the map. If you were a sniper you would know what the best hard counter to a sniper is. It's an ADS. They clear rooftops like nobody's business. They can even dive into the red line, get kills, and get out. I'll also cut you off and say if a sniper took time to call in a drop ship and get to a rooftop it's only fair you do the same. Risk versus reward is still there as well. As I mentioned before, you'll always get way more kills with a charge sniper rifle out of the red line than with a thale's in the red line. You're also a lot more likely to die. It could be an ADS, anyone with a drop ship and a gun really. It's way easier to snipe people at 250m than 450m.
Hold on rewind did you say I deserve to get sniped from the redline? Wow, just wow I might have conceeded your other points but, you deserve to get sniped by a guy siting in the redline, because your winning?
This 1 statement shows exactly why Snipers won't get buffed period. Also I am a Sniper (every now and again) I operate from the ground not some rooftop where I can get a free shooting gallery.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 00:43:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Symbioticforks wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Ok, here is why currently your request will not be listened to.
1) Redline Snipers There are people here that are so bad at this game, that sit in the redline in, get this a 1900 EHP sentinel a pop people without a care in the world. This is damn wrong and your first mistake.
2) Your statement "Get gud and use a Sniper Rifle" You clearly do not understand the mechanics of this game, you should not need to use a sniper to kill a sniper. You need a hard counter that differs from the original threat. In the case of snipers the best counter should be shotgun to the rear end of the cranium.
3) You statement "Stop with Risk vs Reward" What you want us to keel over and let you have free kills? Once again your lack of knowledge concerning the games meta is most disturbing, every suit costs that person money, every single suit. The idea of Risk vs Reward is the more risks you take (suit costs, running solo behind redberry lines, using short-ranged weaponry) the better your reward if you pull it off. There is no risk to sniping THROUGH terrain inside your redline to kill people actively part-taking in battle.
So in short, if you want ANY kind of buff to Sniper Rifles then find a way to force them from the redline. Because so long as Snipers abusethe redline their weapon is DESERVEDLY bad. Read my posts about red line snipers. Dust 514 has many specific roles. Sniping is a very minor specific role. if you're getting killed from the enemy red line you're doing it wrong. 1) You're probably winning already since you're pushing towards it 2) You're probably standing still or moving in predictable patterns 3) You're probably out in the open running around like you own the place You deserve to get sniped. The enemy team is down a player who can spawn in and focus any objective on the map. They're sacrificing someone who could actively be participating to have them solely focus on a certain half or section of the map. If you were a sniper you would know what the best hard counter to a sniper is. It's an ADS. They clear rooftops like nobody's business. They can even dive into the red line, get kills, and get out. I'll also cut you off and say if a sniper took time to call in a drop ship and get to a rooftop it's only fair you do the same. Risk versus reward is still there as well. As I mentioned before, you'll always get way more kills with a charge sniper rifle out of the red line than with a thale's in the red line. You're also a lot more likely to die. It could be an ADS, anyone with a drop ship and a gun really. It's way easier to snipe people at 250m than 450m. Hold on rewind did you say I deserve to get sniped from the redline? Wow, just wow I might have conceeded your other points but, you deserve to get sniped by a guy siting in the redline, because your winning? This 1 statement shows exactly why Snipers won't get buffed period. Also I am a Sniper (every now and again) I operate from the ground not some rooftop where I can get a free shooting gallery. You read it wrong...he basically said " if you get snipped you were probly be stupid or predictable"
"1) You're probably winning already . . . " Winning is not excuse for your opponent to snipe from the redline. 2 and 3 apply the majority of the time you get sniped not just from the redline, which is basically what snipers do pick off straglers.
There is NO EXCUSE for redline sniping, period. Also 3 shot heavies? You realise you will one shot the majority of suits (about 55-60%) in this game with that. The only way you would be permitted that much power is if every sniper had a long charge time, full blown ballistics and giant "I'm here" sign everytime you pulled that damn trigger.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 10:16:00 -
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Symbioticforks wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Also I am a Sniper (every now and again) I operate from the ground not some rooftop where I can get a free shooting gallery.
Your opinion as a sniper means nothing in comparison. Sniping from the ground? Yeah, I do that too. While I'm waiting for my drop ship to land. You're the same narrow minded garbage I had described earlier. Just a cog in the meat grinder. If you had things your way there would be no mountains, no buildings, no vantage points. Just flat terrain and boxes. Get the **** out.
If I had my way there would be , ladders to every "vantage point" Uplinks wouldn't deploy from a certain altitude and the better view your "vantage point" gives you the easier it is for someone else to get there.
Why shouldn't my opinion mean nothing because I like to put my suit on the line and givemy enemy the chamce to flank me. When I snipe I play a combat sniper, picking a nest a little further out from the action and supporting my team, I don't find the least accessible place and pop what I see, I actually benifit my team when I snipe, I seriously believe you can't say the same.
So as I said your entire attitude is invictive of why you won't get buffs, the effort you need to put into kill someone is equal to effort they need to as well. And that is called BALANCE.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 11:05:00 -
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Symbioticforks wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Symbioticforks wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Also I am a Sniper (every now and again) I operate from the ground not some rooftop where I can get a free shooting gallery.
Your opinion as a sniper means nothing in comparison. Sniping from the ground? Yeah, I do that too. While I'm waiting for my drop ship to land. You're the same narrow minded garbage I had described earlier. Just a cog in the meat grinder. If you had things your way there would be no mountains, no buildings, no vantage points. Just flat terrain and boxes. Get the **** out. If I had my way there would be , ladders to every "vantage point" Uplinks wouldn't deploy from a certain altitude and the better view your "vantage point" gives you the easier it is for someone else to get there. Why shouldn't my opinion mean nothing because I like to put my suit on the line and givemy enemy the chamce to flank me. When I snipe I play a combat sniper, picking a nest a little further out from the action and supporting my team, I don't find the least accessible place and pop what I see, I actually benifit my team when I snipe, I seriously believe you can't say the same. So as I said your entire attitude is invictive of why you won't get buffs, the effort you need to put into kill someone is equal to effort they need to as well. And that is called BALANCE. I just want to strangle you."why shouldn't my opinion mean nothing" - you're right it really should mean nothing. "I play a combat sniper" - as opposed to a non combat sniper? what the hell is "invictive?" The game isn't fun at all if you're hiding in your own red line sniping. Let's not claim to know my sniping methodologies until you're on the receiving end of it.
I don't need to know your methodologies, you want to 3 shot heavies, who are supposed to be resistant to infantry weaponry. You want to 1 shog the majority of suits, me and my friggin autocorrecting tablet are here to tell you to get lost. By all means come and strangle me, my shotgun is dying to meet you.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
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Posted - 2014.04.19 19:58:00 -
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Tyjus Vacca wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Symbioticforks wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Symbioticforks wrote: Your opinion as a sniper means nothing in comparison. Sniping from the ground? Yeah, I do that too. While I'm waiting for my drop ship to land.
You're the same narrow minded garbage I had described earlier. Just a cog in the meat grinder. If you had things your way there would be no mountains, no buildings, no vantage points. Just flat terrain and boxes. Get the **** out.
If I had my way there would be , ladders to every "vantage point" Uplinks wouldn't deploy from a certain altitude and the better view your "vantage point" gives you the easier it is for someone else to get there. Why shouldn't my opinion mean nothing because I like to put my suit on the line and givemy enemy the chamce to flank me. When I snipe I play a combat sniper, picking a nest a little further out from the action and supporting my team, I don't find the least accessible place and pop what I see, I actually benifit my team when I snipe, I seriously believe you can't say the same. So as I said your entire attitude is invictive of why you won't get buffs, the effort you need to put into kill someone is equal to effort they need to as well. And that is called BALANCE. I just want to strangle you."why shouldn't my opinion mean nothing" - you're right it really should mean nothing. "I play a combat sniper" - as opposed to a non combat sniper? what the hell is "invictive?" The game isn't fun at all if you're hiding in your own red line sniping. Let's not claim to know my sniping methodologies until you're on the receiving end of it. I don't need to know your methodologies, you want to 3 shot heavies, who are supposed to be resistant to infantry weaponry. You want to 1 shog the majority of suits, me and my friggin autocorrecting tablet are here to tell you to get lost. By all means come and strangle me, my shotgun is dying to meet you. I want my shots to always register, I want my enemies to render, I want to be viable in pc without a thales......... I don't want to have to hit multiple headshots to kill medium frames, or however many it takes to kill a proto gal sentinel (I think its 8 bodyshots or 5 headshots with the ishukone)
In thag case your problem is with brick tanking and bugs, NOT the power of your weapon.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
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Posted - 2014.04.23 00:24:00 -
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keno trader wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: "1) You're probably winning already . . . " this is not excuse for your opponent to snipe from the redline. 2 and 3 apply the majority of the time you get sniped not just from the redline, which is basically what snipers do pick off straglers.
There is NO EXCUSE for redline sniping, period. Also 3 shot heavies? You realise you will one shot the majority of suits (about 55-60%) in this game with that. The only way you would be permitted that much power is if every sniper had a long charge time, full blown ballistics and giant "I'm here" sign everytime you pulled that damn trigger.
Yo you self righteous proto stomper. When people are getting crushed because you're abusing the terrible matchmaking with your all proto fits, you can't just expect people to sit there and get stomped for fun. They're either going to go cloaked scout/militia/sniper. Deal with it. Just like how we have to put up with the proto elite.
Mate, please look me up, I am by no means a proto stomper. The fact you assume this, just shows arrogance to the views of your victims. I run adv approximately 95% of the time and have the terrible KDR of 1.14 to show for it.
I play my matches as fairly as possible, yet when Im 1 shotted in 480 EHP suit by a Sentinel with a Sniper so far in his own redline you can't even get a dropship to him, I'm told its my fault for winning.
As I said to your friend the more effort required to counter something, the harder it should be to commit the act in the firstplace. This one of the fundamentals of balance, if he can kill me quickly, easily and safely then something else should find it just as quick, easy and safe to kill, this something else must not be the thing that killed me.
So long as Sniper can hide in an inaccessible location he has no right to complain about his weapon. As for friends supposed buffs, 1 shotting most suits is purely ridiculous, not even shotguns are capable of that, the only weapon consistently capable of a OHK is the nova knife and that's because they are bloody hard to use.
Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work.
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Posted - 2014.04.23 10:17:00 -
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Symbioticforks wrote:I would not agree completely on changing the magnification on sniper rifles. It's not something I feel is absolutely needed. It would certainly make red line sniping a little easier.
I just want the sniper to be useful in PC. (or whatever future end game content awaits DUST 514)
Increased damage seems logical because of increased suit health / armor + no updates to the weapon. It's antiquated. Additional Functionality could be another answer. Allow anyone with a sniper rifle the ability to "spot" targets for their squad.
Much more sensible, Ill give you a plus 1 for that!
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Posted - 2014.04.24 08:44:00 -
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For the love of god, a suicide run is not a counter to sniper. If you HAVE to kill yourself just to kill something that's not a hard counter. Not to mention you are suggesting that I take a dropship I paid for with my money, in a suit I paid for with my money just to kill a guy who is too cowardly to actually participate from within the theatre of battle.
As for the keep your head down and look for cover, what the hell do you think Im doing? Do you really think that I'm just running around in the open like a headless chicken?
Come on, stick to cover and you'll stop dying to sniping overlords! Gosh why hadn't I thought of sticking to cover before? Unfortunately and as will probably Pee of a lot of you in this thread CCP have said they are making maps less "Sniper Friendly", they have already decided they will follow the doctrine I have been trying to explain to you this whole damn thread.
And I'll say I again, RISK vs REWARD The best sniping spots on the newer gallante sockets, also happen to be the easiest to reach, by everyone While the safest spots provide the narrow angles of attack. That is balance and CCP are already doing it.
'You take the Risk, you get Reward, first across the line wins, everyone else? LOOSERS' - DJ Stryker (Burnout 3 Takedown)
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Posted - 2014.04.24 13:16:00 -
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Symbioticforks wrote:CRNWLLC wrote:I was concerned that sniping wouldn't be viable in 1.8.
It is. Thanks, scout suits and UP mediums!
EDIT: Also, I thank anyone with low shields, which is actually a lot of players, since armor is the preferred tanking method by far, ATM.
And headshots aren't as difficult to land as people say--the poor rendering at a distance is actually a boon, since it means I have a 1x1 pixel area to hit on top of a 1x2 area (ie, 33% of the area = a headshot), versus, say, a (roughly) 3x3 area on top of a 5x9 pixel area (20% of the model's area is its "head"). In other words, the models' heads become a smaller proportion of their body the closer they are, since they are rendered in more detail. At longer distances, the graphics engine abstracts things to more general shapes, which blends previously distinct areas/features together. Once you get used to relying on Tacnet to place your shots (that is, once you get in the habit of pulling/releasing the trigger when damage profile information--ie, a % figure--is onscreen and your reticle is red), everything is much easier. Couple this with shooting reds on a horizontal beeline, and you'll hear the sweet gong again and again. Sniping isn't good enough for PC. The rifles don't do enough damage at range to make it worth running a Sniper over let's say a slayer actively pushing or defending. This is a push for Sniping to be more than what it currently is in end game DUST 514. Which is essentially non-factor unless using a Thale's at which point it's viable but not broken. Thanks to that huge long list of things I've named that keep the Sniper from being something desirable. You shouldn't need things you can't purchase (OFFICER WEAPONS) to be considered worth putting on a team for competitive end game play. When putting together a bunch of mercenaries to form a team it's NEVER desired or essential that a team fields a sniper. I'm not asking to make the role essential, just less undesirable than it currently is.
Grease Spillet - PC Support Sniper Heavenly Daughter - #1 Sniper (plays PC, I think)
It isn't nearly undesirable as you make out. However your asking that a weapon be made more desirable for PC, a game mode where only the FOTM are spammed to death.
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