DUST Search - Shields Need To Be As Edfective As Armor

Galvan Nized wrote:

Fizzer94 wrote:

Artemis Kaiba wrote:

Magnus Amadeuss wrote:

I am fully amarr (meaning little to no shields) and I completely agree:

1) shields should reflect progression just like armor does:

standard shields = 22 HP (33% of prototype)
standard armor = 85 HP (63% of prototype)

advshields = 33 HP (50% of prototype)
adv armor = 115 HP (85% of prototype)

shields should be changed to 44/55/66 to mirror armor plate progression, and they need thier PG at prototype cut back to ~6 PG, not 1 less PG than armor plates.

don't compare different things.
first, for pure hp comparison, look at ferroscale plates. usual plates include movement penalty.
second, take in account that armor doesn't regen by itself, unlike shield.
if you take all parameters in account, you'll see armor and shield are balanced.
the other problem is that lots of weapons have bonus against shield and few against armor. simply look at rifles : gallente, caldari and ammar rifle have bonus against shield and only minmatar have one against armor.

however i do agree delay penalty for extender could be removed

Railguns have an armor bonus, not a shield bonus.

Also, taking all parameters into account leaves shields lacking. They are MUCH harder to fit, have no equipment that makes teamwork a thing, nor do they scale well at all.

Armor is far better for fitting, gives huge hp advantages at all levels, and only downside is a worse penalty.

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Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 245	Posted - 2014.04.15 23:36:00 - [1] - Quote Nuff said Master of The Flaylock
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 5644	Posted - 2014.04.15 23:38:00 - [2] - Quote Defective? *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Galthur Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 444	Posted - 2014.04.15 23:39:00 - [3] - Quote Come back to me when I regen 20 armor per second default IRC guest keeps thinking I'm Obiwan
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 279	Posted - 2014.04.15 23:40:00 - [4] - Quote Maybe not AS effective but certainly closer then now. Basic and Enhance modules aren't even a good alternative at this point for shields. The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 1011	Posted - 2014.04.15 23:42:00 - [5] - Quote Galthur wrote: Come back to me when I regen 20 armor per second default Come back to US when we regen shields without a delay. I don't need luck, I have a cloak. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2580	Posted - 2014.04.15 23:43:00 - [6] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Galthur wrote: Come back to me when I regen 20 armor per second default Come back to US when we regen shields without a delay. Come back to us when shields make you slower. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 854	Posted - 2014.04.15 23:44:00 - [7] - Quote I am fully amarr (meaning little to no shields) and I completely agree: 1) shields should reflect progression just like armor does: standard shields = 22 HP (33% of prototype) standard armor = 85 HP (63% of prototype) advshields = 33 HP (50% of prototype) adv armor = 115 HP (85% of prototype) shields should be changed to 44/55/66 to mirror armor plate progression, and they need thier PG at prototype cut back to ~6 PG, not 1 less PG than armor plates. Fixing swarms
Scheneighnay McBob Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 4778	Posted - 2014.04.15 23:52:00 - [8] - Quote 1 of 2 things needs to happen: Extenders need to be buffed for HP or Extenders should no longer penalize recharge delay I'm from the weird side of the internet
Artemis Kaiba Shadow Broker Wet Squad 28	Posted - 2014.04.16 00:07:00 - [9] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I am fully amarr (meaning little to no shields) and I completely agree: 1) shields should reflect progression just like armor does: standard shields = 22 HP (33% of prototype) standard armor = 85 HP (63% of prototype) advshields = 33 HP (50% of prototype) adv armor = 115 HP (85% of prototype) shields should be changed to 44/55/66 to mirror armor plate progression, and they need thier PG at prototype cut back to ~6 PG, not 1 less PG than armor plates. don't compare different things. first, for pure hp comparison, look at ferroscale plates. usual plates include movement penalty. second, take in account that armor doesn't regen by itself, unlike shield. if you take all parameters in account, you'll see armor and shield are balanced. the other problem is that lots of weapons have bonus against shield and few against armor. simply look at rifles : gallente, caldari and ammar rifle have bonus against shield and only minmatar have one against armor. however i do agree delay penalty for extender could be removed
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2581	Posted - 2014.04.16 00:18:00 - [10] - Quote Artemis Kaiba wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I am fully amarr (meaning little to no shields) and I completely agree: 1) shields should reflect progression just like armor does: standard shields = 22 HP (33% of prototype) standard armor = 85 HP (63% of prototype) advshields = 33 HP (50% of prototype) adv armor = 115 HP (85% of prototype) shields should be changed to 44/55/66 to mirror armor plate progression, and they need thier PG at prototype cut back to ~6 PG, not 1 less PG than armor plates. don't compare different things. first, for pure hp comparison, look at ferroscale plates. usual plates include movement penalty. second, take in account that armor doesn't regen by itself, unlike shield. if you take all parameters in account, you'll see armor and shield are balanced. the other problem is that lots of weapons have bonus against shield and few against armor. simply look at rifles : gallente, caldari and ammar rifle have bonus against shield and only minmatar have one against armor. however i do agree delay penalty for extender could be removed Railguns have an armor bonus, not a shield bonus. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle

Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 878	Posted - 2014.04.16 00:29:00 - [11] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Artemis Kaiba wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I am fully amarr (meaning little to no shields) and I completely agree: 1) shields should reflect progression just like armor does: standard shields = 22 HP (33% of prototype) standard armor = 85 HP (63% of prototype) advshields = 33 HP (50% of prototype) adv armor = 115 HP (85% of prototype) shields should be changed to 44/55/66 to mirror armor plate progression, and they need thier PG at prototype cut back to ~6 PG, not 1 less PG than armor plates. don't compare different things. first, for pure hp comparison, look at ferroscale plates. usual plates include movement penalty. second, take in account that armor doesn't regen by itself, unlike shield. if you take all parameters in account, you'll see armor and shield are balanced. the other problem is that lots of weapons have bonus against shield and few against armor. simply look at rifles : gallente, caldari and ammar rifle have bonus against shield and only minmatar have one against armor. however i do agree delay penalty for extender could be removed Railguns have an armor bonus, not a shield bonus. Also, taking all parameters into account leaves shields lacking. They are MUCH harder to fit, have no equipment that makes teamwork a thing, nor do they scale well at all. Armor is far better for fitting, gives huge hp advantages at all levels, and only downside is a worse penalty.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2582	Posted - 2014.04.16 00:31:00 - [12] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Artemis Kaiba wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I am fully amarr (meaning little to no shields) and I completely agree: 1) shields should reflect progression just like armor does: standard shields = 22 HP (33% of prototype) standard armor = 85 HP (63% of prototype) advshields = 33 HP (50% of prototype) adv armor = 115 HP (85% of prototype) shields should be changed to 44/55/66 to mirror armor plate progression, and they need thier PG at prototype cut back to ~6 PG, not 1 less PG than armor plates. don't compare different things. first, for pure hp comparison, look at ferroscale plates. usual plates include movement penalty. second, take in account that armor doesn't regen by itself, unlike shield. if you take all parameters in account, you'll see armor and shield are balanced. the other problem is that lots of weapons have bonus against shield and few against armor. simply look at rifles : gallente, caldari and ammar rifle have bonus against shield and only minmatar have one against armor. however i do agree delay penalty for extender could be removed Railguns have an armor bonus, not a shield bonus. Also, taking all parameters into account leaves shields lacking. They are MUCH harder to fit, have no equipment that makes teamwork a thing, nor do they scale well at all. Armor is far better for fitting, gives huge hp advantages at all levels, and only downside is a worse penalty. Honestly, the only change shields need is a buff to Basic and Enhanced plates to make the scale with plates. Other than that 25-50 shields some suits are missing, they are fine. Instead of 22/33/66 It would be... 42/54/66 Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 438	Posted - 2014.04.16 00:33:00 - [13] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Nuff said then armor needs to regen like shields Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 438	Posted - 2014.04.16 00:35:00 - [14] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I am fully amarr (meaning little to no shields) and I completely agree: 1) shields should reflect progression just like armor does: standard shields = 22 HP (33% of prototype) standard armor = 85 HP (63% of prototype) advshields = 33 HP (50% of prototype) adv armor = 115 HP (85% of prototype) shields should be changed to 44/55/66 to mirror armor plate progression, and they need thier PG at prototype cut back to ~6 PG, not 1 less PG than armor plates. I can agree to this Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. 437	Posted - 2014.04.16 00:38:00 - [15] - Quote Armor and shields offer two different play style options. They are kinda balanced for what each one offers. However, in many scenarios within dust more armor HP is better than faster shield regen, especially considering all current form of logi repping it's armor based. Shield regen means nothing if you dont have the HP to survive so that you can regen. So yes shield have some advantages over armor, but armor is still better in most scenarios. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 2515	Posted - 2014.04.16 00:40:00 - [16] - Quote Artemis Kaiba wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I am fully amarr (meaning little to no shields) and I completely agree: 1) shields should reflect progression just like armor does: standard shields = 22 HP (33% of prototype) standard armor = 85 HP (63% of prototype) advshields = 33 HP (50% of prototype) adv armor = 115 HP (85% of prototype) shields should be changed to 44/55/66 to mirror armor plate progression, and they need thier PG at prototype cut back to ~6 PG, not 1 less PG than armor plates. don't compare different things. first, for pure hp comparison, look at ferroscale plates. usual plates include movement penalty. second, take in account that armor doesn't regen by itself, unlike shield. if you take all parameters in account, you'll see armor and shield are balanced. the other problem is that lots of weapons have bonus against shield and few against armor. simply look at rifles : gallente, caldari and ammar rifle have bonus against shield and only minmatar have one against armor. however i do agree delay penalty for extender could be removed the most popular weapons kill armor. Sorry to burst your bubble, also of you account for all weapons there is like 11 armor killing weapons to 7 or 9 armor killers I don't remember anymore. For the Federation!
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2583	Posted - 2014.04.16 00:41:00 - [17] - Quote Change shield progression to: 42/54/66 from 22/33/66 this would put them at the same 63/81/100% ratio as armor plates. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1264	Posted - 2014.04.16 00:46:00 - [18] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Nuff said then armor needs to regen like shields then there needs to be a shield rep tool. Sorry that armor has every advantage that matters, and one disadvantage that means practically nothing unless you're a scout. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
knight guard fury The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1005	Posted - 2014.04.16 01:28:00 - [19] - Quote actually in eve they make shields half the amount of armor. so that its balanced and shields arent as worthless as they are in dust i dont remember the exact numbers for armor but it should be something like this... armor 85/110/130 shields 42/55/66 or adjust armor to 80/106/130 and shields would be 40/53/66 Trust the rust In Rust We Trust Vhreokor Warrior jack of all trades winmatar specialist master dual tanker
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1596	Posted - 2014.04.16 01:39:00 - [20] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: actually in eve they make shields half the amount of armor. so that its balanced and shields arent as worthless as they are in dust i dont remember the exact numbers for armor but it should be something like this... armor 85/110/130 shields 42/55/66 or adjust armor to 80/106/130 and shields would be 40/53/66 Also make shield extenders increase shield recharge rate. EVE does it and it's balanced "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32

Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 186	Posted - 2014.04.16 01:48:00 - [21] - Quote When you can stack 900 armor on medium suits and still have enough cpu, pg to put other stuff in then wow :/ also whats with the whack fitting requirments? the only viable shield is complex and thats 54 cpu 11 pg? while complex armor is 30 cpu 12 pg? -.- and the amount of cpu required on energizers? goodness also with the armor regen, all you need is a logi and you are god mode. you cant do that with shields, we have 1 way to replenish shields, wait, even then to get shield dropsuits to a good place i have to use all my slots just for shield modules. say im in an adv caldari Assualt. 2 shield extenders in high with an energizer, and in the lows i have a regulator or 2 and or maybe a cardiac regulator or a kin cat, and all that gives less than 400 shields, the amount of time it would take for me to die is like damn, while i see all these gal's with 600-700 armor just on their adv suits getting reps by nano's and rep tools :/ Armor is really better than shields right now, **** the speed penalty, you dont have to run, just turn around and kill them, you have enough time.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 439	Posted - 2014.04.16 02:11:00 - [22] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Nuff said then armor needs to regen like shields then there needs to be a shield rep tool. Sorry that armor has every advantage that matters, and one disadvantage that means practically nothing unless you're a scout. plates can go on any suit and be repaired by nano/logi's Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
bear90211 Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 196	Posted - 2014.04.16 02:14:00 - [23] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I am fully amarr (meaning little to no shields) and I completely agree: 1) shields should reflect progression just like armor does: standard shields = 22 HP (33% of prototype) standard armor = 85 HP (63% of prototype) advshields = 33 HP (50% of prototype) adv armor = 115 HP (85% of prototype) shields should be changed to 44/55/66 to mirror armor plate progression, and they need thier PG at prototype cut back to ~6 PG, not 1 less PG than armor plates. LOVE IT. my BPO assaut caldaris will now have 400 sheilds. my C-II will have like 700. My sig is suuper old.. now i rip faces with my HMG. looking for logies yo.btw #tacos
jerrmy12 kahoalii 1010	Posted - 2014.04.16 02:24:00 - [24] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Nuff said then armor needs to regen like shields then there needs to be a shield rep tool. Sorry that armor has every advantage that matters, and one disadvantage that means practically nothing unless you're a scout. plates can go on any suit and be repaired by nano/logi's exept it doesn't work, 250 armor isnt enough for the broken rep thing Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Egonz4 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 247	Posted - 2014.04.16 02:28:00 - [25] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Nuff said then armor needs to regen like shields They do Master of The Flaylock
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2591	Posted - 2014.04.16 02:37:00 - [26] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Nuff said then armor needs to regen like shields They do Armor Regens 25/s passively? Prove it. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1265	Posted - 2014.04.16 02:41:00 - [27] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Nuff said then armor needs to regen like shields then there needs to be a shield rep tool. Sorry that armor has every advantage that matters, and one disadvantage that means practically nothing unless you're a scout. plates can go on any suit and be repaired by nano/logi's So, your solution to the armor/shields disparity is "just put on some armor" instead of trying to find a way to fix the problem. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3940	Posted - 2014.04.16 02:42:00 - [28] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Galthur wrote: Come back to me when I regen 20 armor per second default Come back to US when we regen shields without a delay. Yeah, because that makes a difference during a gunfight. No.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 1010	Posted - 2014.04.16 02:45:00 - [29] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Egonz4 wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Nuff said then armor needs to regen like shields They do Armor Regens 25/s passively? Prove it. gallente sentinel 3 or 4 cx reps, 1 or 0 plates Closed beta vet Tears, sweet delicious tears
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2592	Posted - 2014.04.16 03:18:00 - [30] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Egonz4 wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Nuff said then armor needs to regen like shields They do Armor Regens 25/s passively? Prove it. gallente sentinel 3 or 4 cx reps, 1 or 0 plates That is a bad fit. Both of them. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle



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