No, that means if i try to sneak up on a scout then he "auto decloaks" and he knows i'm there.

That would also mean being anywhere near the ground would decloak me.

That's your logic.

Also, it's 2500m, not km.

Whats the point of this idea if you can't use the cloak to its fullest potential? why do you think we can be nearly completely invisible when standing still? to hide when enemies past by next to you unsuspected or avoid being seen.

flux grenades should have ability to uncloak as it is damaging all electronics.

it should also temporally disable scanners.

fun.

I can understand people hampering it's offensive capabilities, but now making it useless as a getaway tool? I'd never run cloak.

You obviously can't read

Why the hell...

So your solution is to completely break the cloak and make it useless. The only possible use it will have is hiding while traversing open terrain, which is barely effective as it is now with the blue shimmer and everyone and their mother noticing you if they even flash their reticule over you.

CLOAK DOES NOT NEED A NERF

Just make it a main weapon slot item that forces scouts to only use a sidearm if they use cloak. Along with this, if the brick tanks really peeve people (I've hardly even noticed it), then put a bigger movement speed decrease on them so that point defense units (such as heavies or people who want to fit their assaults that way) can use them properly.

But for the love of god, just because you're blind, the cloak itself does not need a nerf this idiotically massive.

You think that having a way for someone else to forcibly uncloak someone is not a nerf? Are you seriously that mental? Your decreasing the viability of something in the game, i.e. nerfing it. It's not rocket science, and don't try to spin it.

And you already have a counter. You can actually see people when they move! Outrageous, right? I run both assaults and scouts, and people who are cloaked are ridiculously easy to see and shoot. Even when they're still, the distortions are noticeable, especially the second after you put your reticule over them and notice it randomly turning red. Quit making excuses, your idea is terrible.

Again, just because you're blind doesn't mean that the cloak needs a nerf.

Needing the cloak to decloak within certain meters simply because you can't see it, and therefore nerfing it, sounds very CoD like... which is removing tactical gameplay. I honestly don't know why cloaks are an issue. To me, unless the background behind the cloaked scout is VERY bright, they are extremely noticeable. There are plenty of people who can see the cloak just fine. It seems like the unskilled and blind minority wants them nerfed to hell...

That's how it works with massive ships, yet this is infantry, an entirely different game in terms of strategy. Also, shotguns are not an issue whatsoever. Any weapon used with the cloak is just as effective, so stop blaming one particular weapon for your troubles. With the Eve universe as large as it is, compared to how infinitesimal infantry is, a ship decloaking in front of you is not a huge surprise, and you have plenty of time to run, assuming you're paying attention. The cloak in infantry is an assassins tool, used to get around and about through enemy lines. Scouts were quite pathetic without ti, yet everyone is on the bandwagon that they're OP, yet I have no issues with seeing them, nor in the way they work. The only suggestion I could make in "nerfing" the cloak, would be to reduce how much time it takes to decloak manually or switching to your weapon or equipment. Sincerely, try to be aware of your surroundings and stop playing like a frickin' casual noob form CoD.

I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't get the kitchen sink thrown at you for this idea , you know how scout's are .

I don't agree because that is what the flux is " suppose " to do .

Nice ideal's though .

I use a cloak sometimes myself while A .V ing and that's the only thing wrong with it in my eyes , besides the fact that you shouldn't be able to attack or drop equipment with it while cloaked .

Not having the flux do something to the cloak is just not right . Player's can use it to kill my shield's ... then me or my vehicle's but it has no effect on the cloak ???

Think the power to sustain three to five thousand in shield's should be more than it takes to power a cloak .

how about no. not the distance thing anyways. the cloak is a tool used to hide. i can recall more tn one situation where i used it to hide (not fight) to great avail. and that is what it is truly meant for. making it auto decloak within ten meters of a hostile would completely destroy the cloak's purpose.

i'll give you an example of how i used it the other day. a heavy saw me. i ran, turned the corner, turned another corner, and cloaked. when he turned the initial corner, he didnt see me. and conidering the low hp i had from the damage he gav to me, i wasnt about the face him. so i stood. then about 5 other heavies turned the corner. i stil waited for them to pass by. i knew it was a squa. then one looked in my direction. i thought for sure he saw me, but he turned back into the direction he was running. as soon as they all had their backs turned, i got the heck out. (true story)

imagine if your idea was applied to cloaks and that had happened. that squad of sentinels would have eaten me alive.

also, i dont think getting shot should turn off the cloak. once you shoot them, they either stay still, making for an easy target, or the scout moves, and you can see them anyways.

the Ewar thing would be interesting, and would make scanners useful again. as long as the scout actually gets scanned, they should decloak and kick the cloaking device into its cooldown timer. flux grenades should be able to do the same thing.


Edit: By "as long as they are scanned," i mean when an active scanner scans you, and the thing on the top of the screen says "you have been scanned" to the scanned mercenary
"SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED," however, should not decloak a cloaked foe.

Seymor,

You mention "ewar tools or proximity deactivation," What if (through some kind of story-technology) proximity explosives worked against cloaking devices? This would be a great way to add a use to the proxy mine (currently limited) and would give the proximity mine user both area denial, and lethal counter.

This duel use for proximity mines may help with some of the vehicle spam, reduce the effective speed at which a cloak user could operate, and give everyone the joy of blowing up a scout (woohoo)!

If you haven't used a cloak, I recommend that you skill into the first level (or use a few of your 'apparition' AUR cloaks), try out the device, and learn to understand it's drawbacks. You'll find that the users gaining a major advantage from the cloak are overcoming more challenges than you may expect (like the sprint button actually slowing you down half the time).

LOL you didnt even read all of it.

i did, at the end, say that scanning a cloaked scout with a scanner should decloak a scout along with flux grenades

and dont tell me about the scouts before 1.8, because i know, i was there. i was a scout before 1.8.

and no, not all scouts are meant for passive scanning (although, i do have precision modules on my . im a gallente scout and i'll have you know the we are made to be almost undetectable. the scout made for passive scanning is the caldari scout.

im not a scrubby hp tanking scout either. i pack my suit with profile dampeners. i know my role. and its not fighting. thats for the minmatar scout (though, in an assassin way). its infiltrating, gathering intel on enemy positions, and even dropping uplinks behind enemy lines.

how long do you think cloaks last?

a deploayable that induces shimmer but to outright uncloak would be horribly op , a scout wouldnt be able to go near objectives

This would make cloaks outright useless

EVE comparisons cannot be made to DUST for every single aspect. It really doesn't work with cloaks because they are two entirely different games. Ships do decloak when they are within 2,500 meters of anything. However, when cloaked, you might as well be completely invincible. They can't lock you which means they can't hurt you. FoF missiles hit whatever is closest and I don't even think they work against cloak (even if they did, who the hell uses FoF missiles?) and Smartbombs have a range of about 9 kilometers at their highest. Providing you are beyond 12 kilometers of anything, you can shout in local about their mother and father being related, question their sexuality, sing Never Give You Up, or just give information to your corp mates about when to jump in.

Eve cloaks can last as long as the capacitor of the ship allows. Now in Dust we have a limited time that the cloak lasts, I really think you are reaching sir. To be "decloakable" would ruin the modules altogether as currently cloaked scouts are fairly visible with the shimmer effect that they produce and if you were paying attention to the stats, anything with a high enough scan resolution would render it ineffective anyways.

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Re.4 This idea stems from many other forums about it, such as the sentinel should only be able to equip a heavy weapon to a heavy slot, otherwise this gives rise to heavies with sniper rifles, rail rifles, and the like, things they were not really intended to be using. The reasoning behind wanting to limit scouts to sidearm is because they are meant to be assasins or recon, they were not meant to be front line combat, like people are now using them for with the combat rifle or in some cases even a plasma cannon. The shotgun you are correct should have its own slot rather then being just put as a sidearm. Also again back to the original point, scouts should not be front line combat, neither should logis as CCP has tried to do by removing the free armor repair logis received before. The main ability of a scout, is to get in and get out fast or to keep moving, they had no problem doing this before cloaks came into the game.