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KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1190	Posted - 2014.04.15 01:26:00 - [1] - Quote It is no secret that CCP/Shanghai wants you to spend AUR on boosters. Who knows, it might well be their bread and butter. They originally overpriced them and the price reduction down to 14K AUR is finally reasonable. As they are suspect when it comes to math one might surmise that it took several months of not selling boosters for them to pick up on the truth. We want to reset some or all of our SP. CCP doesn't want that, either Mothership or Shanghai. They want you to grind for SP and never get any back. There is no other way to get their players to grind for seven or more years. That was their stated goal, in case you just joined and didn't read that bit. So the enhanced SP event this coming week is their compromise. It gets players that have recently stopped playing to come back and grind some SP at a not the horribly slow normal rate. It grants players enough SP to fix some of the ~~stabbing in the back~~Nerf Hammering that CCP/Shanghai has done lately. And they sell boosters to fund new development. Everybody wins. Unfortunately there appears to be no funding method for fixing older bugs , see my constant haranguing of them regarding Rail Gun Turrets that do not fire since 1.7 with a similar problem since 1.0. There are not stated plans to fix them, unlike the Forge Guns which have some support from CCP/Shanghai. Welcome to Dust And so it goes.
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 5077	Posted - 2014.04.15 01:36:00 - [2] - Quote I wont buy more AUR to get boosters. NOt needed. I would buy a LOT of AUR based SP RESPECS. Why? Well i like to use DIFFERENT SPECIALIZED suits and sets so i would repsec a lot to test stuff and have a different play style without having to GRIND SP for a year NOR use my Alts... so AUR Respecs could and would give CCP a solid income IMO while avoiding the extra bitterness every time they over nerf something since you can skill out of it until CCP fixes it. Like drones? = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153604&find=unread
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1914	Posted - 2014.04.15 01:36:00 - [3] - Quote large turrets (railguns in particular) have been bugged to high hell since closed beta. they have yet to even awknowledge the bugs and any fixes have been undocumented.... i game up long ago getting just a simple responce to the problems.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1192	Posted - 2014.04.15 01:51:00 - [4] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: I would buy a LOT of AUR based SP RESPECS. And many, many players agree with you. In fact I might as well except I have quit spending cash on Dust after 1.0 dropped like the lead bird dropping it was. From an ethical standpoint it does present a problem. Before you go off let me limit the ethical bit to F2P mechanics in general as any company that sings the praises of HTFU has an extremely limited view of ethics in most cases. At least it seems that way to me. If a game is truly F2P then anything that can be bought should be available to those without cash as well. And grinding is the accepted solution. Don't have cash, grind. Hate to grind, spend cash. For now it would appear that CCP/Shanghai is following their path of SP respecs/refunds begin rare to non-existent. Take a deep breath because you will turn very blue waiting for CCP to change their position on this one might suspect. Also many F2P games use silly and cheap customizations to get players to spend RWC (Real World Cash). Hats come to mind although so do, unfortunately, one single $70 monocle. And so it goes.
sssbassil TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 24	Posted - 2014.04.15 06:50:00 - [5] - Quote AUR based SP RESPECS. this is the key right here DO IT CCP!!!!!!!!!
MINA Longstrike 505	Posted - 2014.04.15 06:54:00 - [6] - Quote "I want to chase the FOTM, why won't you constantly let me one-up other players with whatever is currently not well balanced just because I'm throwing money at you". Choices have consequences - skill into something you like and want to do and stop whining for respecs. Something getting 'nerfed' doesn't mean it's obsolete. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7944	Posted - 2014.04.15 06:59:00 - [7] - Quote sssbassil wrote: AUR based SP RESPECS. this is the key right here DO IT CCP!!!!!!!!! Yea... NO! Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1021	Posted - 2014.04.15 07:01:00 - [8] - Quote I don't mind paying for boosters, so long as the game quality continues to improve. f2p is a crap monetization scheme that hurts game mechanics but so long as we are in this boat already there is just no other way to keep fueling development and supporting CCP, so I keep buying AUR. Accelerated sp events are just a nice excuse/ reminder to cough up a little money. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
sssbassil TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 24	Posted - 2014.04.15 07:07:00 - [9] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: sssbassil wrote: AUR based SP RESPECS. this is the key right here DO IT CCP!!!!!!!!! Yea... NO! most vet's should be sitting on about 5-10mil unallocated sp, most vet's save sp, vets can chase the FOTM enyway its the new players that this will help do you want to help the new guy? or just make him/her leave?
Aderek HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 72	Posted - 2014.04.15 07:13:00 - [10] - Quote I will buy boosters... because if i dont buy, that game will no exist! No one will work for nothink!. Wake up people :) I have my own online games (via www) and 90% of my players buy "premium". If some future they stop pay, a will close the game. So, Dust is free to play (i realy use toxin AR, i have 30 kk SP) and have a lot of fun from play with my friends. I dont need AUR, dont need boosters, but like this game and pay, because i want to grove that game. Good hunting! :) New players need better matchmaking after academy. My douther have 10 year old and play against Shatun2000 .... ;) So: 1. Academy - 5 kk SP 2.5kk SP-15kk SP 3.15kk SP - 30 kk SP 4 over 30 kk SP

Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3432	Posted - 2014.04.15 07:17:00 - [11] - Quote You should reword your first sentence to "It's not secret CCP wants to make money" because well yeah. No sh*t they do they are not trying to fool anyone thats what company strive for... Selling Dust ISK Sir Hadah for CPM
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1274	Posted - 2014.04.15 07:55:00 - [12] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: "I want to chase the FOTM, why won't you constantly let me one-up other players with whatever is currently not well balanced just because I'm throwing money at you". Choices have consequences - skill into something you like and want to do and stop whining for respecs. Something getting 'nerfed' doesn't mean it's obsolete. oh look, another cute scrub with no credibility talking about choices, this never happened before! getting into the "FOTM" does take a week of play, changing your current playstyle because CCP shanghai screwed up again takes alot longer. core changes arent the same as nerfs, but dense scrubs like you do not comprehend basic logic and common sense. choices are meaningless when CCP changes the premise around which you base your choices almost every month. beside that those people from closed beta like me do not care, we have enough SP for everything we want but a new player do not, they skill up into something and next month patch day comes and suddenly the stuff he had is all different. it is pretty obvious that CCP shanghai wants you to buy boosters and grind all day, there is no other logic explanation for all the bad decisions they have done till now. #buymorebooster

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1106	Posted - 2014.04.15 09:37:00 - [13] - Quote In the spirit of New Eden no refunds! Let us learn by mistakes and let us harvest tears from FoTM nerfs! /c DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status

Otrera Goddess Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 166	Posted - 2014.04.15 09:41:00 - [14] - Quote Aderek wrote: I will buy boosters... because if i dont buy, that game will no exist! No one will work for nothink!. Wake up people :) I have my own online games (via www) and 90% of my players buy "premium". If some future they stop pay, a will close the game. So, Dust is free to play (i realy use toxin AR, i have 30 kk SP) and have a lot of fun from play with my friends. I dont need AUR, dont need boosters, but like this game and pay, because i want to grove that game. Good hunting! :) New players need better matchmaking after academy. My douther have 10 year old and play against Shatun2000 .... ;) So: 1. Academy - 5 kk SP 2.5kk SP-15kk SP 3.15kk SP - 30 kk SP 4 over 30 kk SP This was so hard to read that my eyes are now bleeding
Aderek HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 73	Posted - 2014.04.15 09:44:00 - [15] - Quote Otrera Goddess wrote: Aderek wrote: I 1. Academy - 5 kk SP 2.5kk SP-15kk SP 3.15kk SP - 30 kk SP 4 over 30 kk SP This was so hard to read that my eyes are now bleeding Maybe i will write it in polish and you will use google translator? :)
Otrera Goddess Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 166	Posted - 2014.04.15 09:47:00 - [16] - Quote Aderek wrote: Otrera Goddess wrote: Aderek wrote: I 1. Academy - 5 kk SP 2.5kk SP-15kk SP 3.15kk SP - 30 kk SP 4 over 30 kk SP This was so hard to read that my eyes are now bleeding Maybe i will write it in polish and you will use google translator? :) What ever makes you happy :)
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1198	Posted - 2014.04.15 11:52:00 - [17] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: "I want to chase the FOTM, why won't you constantly let me one-up other players with whatever is currently not well balanced just because I'm throwing money at you". Choices have consequences - skill into something you like and want to do and stop whining for respecs. Something getting 'nerfed' doesn't mean it's obsolete. That sounds great. Like you watched the videos even. However, their tendency to sell you something then immediately Nerf Hammer it, see Core Locus Grenate AUR version, is not a good way to endure yourself to your customer base. CCP/Shanghai has never cared about their customers. The do not respect the time players have put into Dust and they constantly yank our chains whenever they decide to. It is getting old, just sayin. For me the reason for the post was to state that no Kitten, there will be no SP refund. The high SP events are CCP/Shanghai's compromise. Here is SP that you wouldn't have otherwise. Go fix what we changed out from under you. And yes, often getting Nerf Hammered does make many things useless. At least it does down here in the Dust. Not that they will stay useless forever. HMGs are now useful once again. For how long? That is not clear. And so it goes.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 57	Posted - 2014.04.15 12:48:00 - [18] - Quote ChribbaX wrote: In the spirit of New Eden no refunds! Let us learn by mistakes and let us harvest tears from FoTM nerfs! /c Of all the people I expected to post this, you were not even CLOSE to being on the list. Like Chribba said, your choices have consequences. Life changes daily and the reality changes and your past choices are meaningless. Get over your expectations that you can respec for whatever reason, chances are that CCP will not give respecs, for aurum or from the goodness of their heart, nor should they.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 57	Posted - 2014.04.15 12:51:00 - [19] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: And yes, often getting Nerf Hammered does make many things useless. At least it does down here in the Dust. Not that they will stay useless forever. HMGs are now useful once again. For how long? That is not clear. I cant even tell you how many of my ships and fits have been "destroyed" by CCP changing things. I adapt, refit, and kill more things in different ways. The same thing "down here". CCP changed something drastic (shocker) so it's time to look at what you have and adjust. Your core skills are still good. Your suits are still good, the weapons may or may not still be OP. Adjust your suit, go out and kill more things.
Marc Rime 373	Posted - 2014.04.15 13:20:00 - [20] - Quote Pretty sure most players have enough SP to max out at least one specific build by now. Given the possibility to respec, a lot of players would quickly try out any build they can think of within a few days/weeks. Then they would whine about lack of content.

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 551	Posted - 2014.04.15 13:26:00 - [21] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: That was their stated goal, in case you just joined and didn't read that bit. People need to stop using this phrase because it might be the case now but it hasn't always been that way , so to keep hearing this phrase being used , doesn't mean that was the case or make it true because I have seen statements to contradict this phrase . Those who have played this game since the beginning know better and have stated otherwise . Testifying to multiple refunds and occasions where this phrase does not hold weight . You can say that now and if they don't allow it during two point zero , I for one wouldn't care about content because I am leaving , context and merit means more to me than anything and time and time again this company shows their inept nature of caring about the fact that people's words hold weight and time and time again they mislead the community . For some people , all they have to stand on is their word and their work . CCP's legs are fragile . Edit : Find a direction for this game and stick to it and stop changing like the wind blows . It's making this game blow as well . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 904	Posted - 2014.04.15 13:32:00 - [22] - Quote If you want respecs go play Borderlands . Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 7/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL - eWar Merc
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7947	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:55:00 - [23] - Quote sssbassil wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: sssbassil wrote: AUR based SP RESPECS. this is the key right here DO IT CCP!!!!!!!!! Yea... NO! most vet's should be sitting on about 5-10mil unallocated sp, most vet's save sp, vets can chase the FOTM enyway its the new players that this will help do you want to help the new guy? or just make him/her leave? I may be a vet, but I don't have 40 million SP (I have 17 million at the most), and I don't have 5-10 million SP saved up (only have less than 600,000). So i'm not one of those vets who are in the "most" category. Even if I am, that has no bearing on the new player. This is New Eden where the rules are simple and they apply to everyone regardless of vet or newbie status. Accept the consequences of your choices. Besides, respecs for sale will only encourage even more fotm chasers. PS: If the player doesn't like this rule, they can leave. It's not like anyone is putting a gun to their head and forcing them to keep on playing. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3939	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:58:00 - [24] - Quote You want an SP refund? Tough. We got the one we deserved. We're not entitled to any more, except maybe something to do with proficiencies. Otherwise get over it. No.
Syeven Reed G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad. 508	Posted - 2014.04.15 17:00:00 - [25] - Quote No respects Gÿé Syeven 514 Application for CPM1
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1204	Posted - 2014.04.16 02:45:00 - [26] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: If you want respecs go play Borderlands . Thanks, I am starting up B2 on my PC right now! Of course, I was going to do that anyway so it really is a big surprise kind of a thing. And so it goes.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1205	Posted - 2014.04.16 03:03:00 - [27] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Those who have played this game since the beginning know better and have stated otherwise . --- snip --- For some people , all they have to stand on is their word and their work . CCP's legs are fragile . Edit : Find a direction for this game and stick to it and stop changing like the wind blows . It's making this game blow as well . Well said. Personally I never read/saw/watched anything by CCP/Shanghai or CCP/Mothership to indicate that HTFU and Decisions have Consequences are not the only marching orders. There were resets during the various Betas because of changes and the desire to test the skill tree (I guess). Plus the let's completely screw up the game otherwise known as Uprising 1.0. One of the early promo trailers even shows the [u]magically wonderful[/s]stereotypical EVE Ganker withholding an Orbital Strike. Because EVE players. When I finally got involved with Corps (finally left because of taxes, an EVE level of BS oddly enough) I was joining squads with mics consistently. Met some good friends and pretty much had people to play with from all over the world. I don't operate normal hours usually, my S.O. thinks I am nocturnal. But there were friends to play with and chat made it better. Want to know how many were on over the last week? Approximately 7. Average squad size is two or three. Soon enough there will be no reason for me to login. Which would be fine except many of my friends are not PC players. All of which is to say, you are not the only one that is sick of the ever changing winds making Dust blow. As a retired software engineer it was horrifying and amusing at the same time to realize that all the Beta testing was basically thrown away as Uprising was essentially a different game. The golden rule for many game studios is iteration. Not at CCP/Shanghai! It's throw that out, another pet project is in this release. And so it goes.


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