While this is an interesting concept, let play it out a few months.

1 st question after you take a district could you sell the clones off it and abandon the district?

It would seem to encourage more corps to just no show battles why put the effort into holding it if you know you might loose.

Only fight against corps you know you could beat and not take on the tougher corps, would kinda be like the corp battles of old

Many many no shows and people ducking fights.

You no whats best for the game...Cut DNS territory in half and let everything get stable again so the zero care protostompers will disappear allowing newer people to come in and stand a chance....there are many times ive thought of dropping this game in the trash were it belongs in its current state cause its 0 fun unless you have gods grace to end up on the side of the stompers and then its still barely fun cause there is nothing to do.....the only reason i can think thats keeping me on is my corp...no...my friends ive made before this started

Passive ISK isnt a problem...its whos owning and controling that money is were any problem is at

In fact, $80M is too low. The reason that CCP reduced the number of clones in the pack is because they wanted to limit the clone pack attacks. I agree with their intention but instead of nerfing the number of clones, they should have just raised the price. $120M for 200 clones sounds about right....$120M - $150M or so.

No passive isk no reason to even have PC other than a pissing contest.

reason CCP reduced the clone pack number to 120 from 150 (from what I could remember) is that they wanted to reduce the clone pack attack spam. If you reduce clone packs to $10M, everyone would be spamming clone pack attacks. It would be cheaper to launch attacks with clone packs instead of from your districts.

People shouldn't be launching attacks from across the universe.....it should be strategic and you should be invading a corp's territory instead of being able to hop over the wall

Forget about this blue donut for a sec.......lack of participation has to do with corps being afraid to attack or feeling that they aren't ready or good enough. Not sure if even we lowered clone pack attacks to $5M..would we get corps out of pubs and trying to get into pc.

Drop all passive isk gained by selling clones by 80%... Increase payout by 75% for win... Add a 20% isk payout for when you lose the game... Questions??

The full question is this

'If PC had no passive ISK, would you still play it even tho it would be exactly the same as it is now and no gameplay/mechanic changes would take place?

I can tell you what most players answers would be to the full question, it would be no, why would it be no? because nothing would change, the blue donut still exists, small corps dont give a crap, big corps dont care and farm pubs, donut wont care because its not hard to sell clones manually and they still keep the donut, PC would still suffer framerate/lag problems etc


You cannot answer OP question because it is a **** question, its redundant, the problems of PC far outweigh this and even if it changes would it infact change anything? no it wouldnt

Even if there was no passive you still have to put the per clone price in a pack over the cost of biomass and I doubt anyone would enjoy that being reduced from 100k to 25 or 60k.

I agree. 239 districts making (assuming full clones 24/7) 10 mil isk a day = 2.39 billion isk a day. How many clone packs can they buy even if they lost every district the next day? 2,390,000/36,000,000 = 66 clone packs (some change). So naturally DNS can then attack 66 times in rapid succession from just 1 day of passive isk farming. For myself however it would take a week or more of pure ambush playing to get enough isk for just 1 clone pack. then you have to factor in that I would need at least 3-5 clone packs to actually capture the district (about 400 clones max +80 clones a day + some shifting of clones from other districts, lag issues and losses in continued battles) and of course I would need to stockpile specialized fitted suits for the matches themselves to give a higher chance of success in the battles...

I would need 180 mil for the clone packs alone + maybe 40 mil for enough proto suits for 5 continuous battles. 220 mil to take a single district would take me individually maybe 1-2 months of continued & constant ambush spamming to acquire. True, the cost of the clone packs should mostly be covered by the corp but with 100 players who sometimes regularly get on a PC match series to take a district will take months. We're here to have fun after all.

Are they better players? Maybe not, but they're deep pockets mean that their less than perfect skill can be supplemented with isk fat suits and repetitive clone packs.

To answer OPs question, yes we would fight for and hold land in PC without passive ISK, IF the costs to do so were reasonable.

PC is currently the only game mode that allows team deploy. Many of our members would embrace the chance to fight full team vs team battles like we used to in the old Corp contract days. Would we get knocked around a bit? Of course, but if the price was right, we would welcome the opportunity to get better.

The issue there is if you make clone packs even cheaper than the are now we are going to be right back where we were with 1.7 with 90% of Molden Heath locked under self -attacks except this time you'll have players running the mock battles to extract ISK. Unfortunately this enumerates one of the core problems which is clones being both the thing you use to fight AND your source of income.

If you are looking at 5 mil a lock but a match pays out 16 to 32 mil or more per mock battle then you could easily manage to lock everything down or just enough to easily prevent any kind of timer stacking while providing content to your members and ISK. Heck even with 36 million ISK clone packs Enternal Beings and KEQ did just this running battles on their district on Oddelulf and letting the district pass back and forth.

Better still, or worse, you lock half or more of your districts and then let the others come under attack from a mass wave of cheap clone packs and you just sit back and farm the battles in easily managed chunks.

If you are looking at 5 mil a lock but a match pays out 16 to 32 mil or more per mock battle then you could easily manage to lock everything down or just enough to easily prevent any kind of timer stacking while providing content to your members and ISK. Heck even with 36 million ISK clone packs Enternal Beings and KEQ did just this running battles on their district on Oddelulf and letting the district pass back and forth.

Better still, or worse, you lock half or more of your districts and then let the others come under attack from a mass wave of cheap clone packs and you just sit back and farm the battles in easily managed chunks.

Maybe so, but what it proves is that given the proper motivation (whether that is ISK or denying an enemy an asset) the player behavior will occur.

Isk wipe and asset wipe of isk purchased gear.

As far as dust goes now, its just not worth the time your basically better off afking farming til cap in a day or two then wait for reset rinse and repeat.

Until CCP takes away all that ill gotten profit, I refuse to play simple as that.

Passive isk doesnt matter, its the holding all of the districts which is the problem

Holding territory must serve a purpose.

If no isk is given passively in one form or another, then the territory holds no purpose.

The fights do, but if all we're playing for is gudfights then we don't need a map with territory on it.


In which case, CCP made the wrong game.