I've heard lots of different views on the issue, but I would like to hear as many opinions as possible. If there was no passive ISK and you only got ISK from fighting would you want to hold land?

This would also be in light of increasing clone pack sizes back to their original 150 at the current 300k per clone cost. Fighting getting you double what you receive now but no passive ISK to prop up payroll, vehicle reimbursement, or the hiring of ringers. The only issue is you only collect the payment when you win your fights and if you can't win your fights you end up with nothing.

Real solutions:
1. Remove all passive isk generation. You must actively use your district to make money (PvE) Officer item generation is better than the current isk generation. Low chance of officer drops and other equipment based on usage. PC should revolve around bottom-up income streams.

2. Allow corps to bring 64 players into a match. No more 24 player groups defending 100 districts (some districts can have 64, 32, 12.) Allows smaller elite corps to hold specific districts and never lose them while allowing larger corps the freedom to "zerg" smaller elite corps

3. Reinforcement timers should only effect the last battle. Attacks should be able to happen at any time. Once there is 200 clones the distinct is locked and the final battle happens on the specified timer. Again, keeps single 25 man corps from holding onto large swaths of land and timer stacking. (all corp members get a mail when a district is under attack and they can go defend)

4. Remove clone packs entirely. Allow corps to "accrue" clones through FW/Pubs. They are allowed to have a single facility as a corp that is genolution owned. Once full they can use this to raid a single district. It can only be used when full, all clones are sent. Clone generation rate needs to be balanced. (a corp in PC should not be using clone packs, if they want to use clone packs they have to play pubs/FW to earn them. They can only earn one. This keeps "shell corps" from becoming an issue as then the players have to be active in that corp and can only issue a single attack)

Lag is not a derivative of the number of people playing. Frame rate, yes. But its not my job to optimize the code, thats up to CCP to ensure. There are plenty of PS3 games that go far and above the 32 player limit. Many of them are 6+ years old.

Let it play out a few months? How many billions of ISK would that be? 200 or so?

We are all discussing putting band-aids on a sucking chest wound here. PC is, at best, high stakes, winner take all skirmish, at worst, an ISK faucet. Pull the plug, start over with a more meaningful Dust/EVE crossover game mode.

Some kind of Counter argument

It's not that I disagree with you. But would you be willing to pay $5000 to box Manny Pac in your first boxing match? If you factor in the donut, people aren't going to set their corp wallet's on fire. You have to take into account that 90% of the elite players in Dust reside in your alliance and hold 239 out of 245 districts.

If you want to see participation it's going to have to come cheap for those outside the donut.

I've said it in a few places that CCP needed to raise/lower the price of clone packs relative to the participation in PC while they strengthen the Eve/Dust connection and tie everything into a larger New Eden economy.

If PC is dead, clone packs are cheap. If PC is active, clone packs are expensive (or if people are locking).

And dude, don't get it twisted they are amazing players and they have 100x the experience in PC in comparison to those outside the donut.

It would change the trajectory of Dust in a big way if PC as we know it was changed to a glorified corp battle system. Dropping the cost of clone packs to next to nothing and removing passive ISK would make this happen. Just use the payout system for pubs for the winners only with a higher multiplier and as someone said above give the loser 50% of the payout that the winner gets.

This brings in all of Dust and gives them some time to prepare in a team deploy environment for PC 2.0.

So..... why not remove passive isk income and add an isk multiplier payout for each districts owned (up to 10 or whatever is a reasonable amount) when playing pubs matches and faction points earned in FW?

Doing so gives people reason to play all game modes then and restricts the amount of districts owned per corporation.

So being good at the game and working hard to make friends has broken the game? DNS is good at what they do and has worked hard to bring the best players into one spot. It is good players moving as a group to accomplish a goal and little else. Don't be mad at skilled diplomats and fighters because we as a community can't break their resolve.