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Seymor Krelborn wrote:

Forever ETC wrote:

Seymor Krelborn wrote:

yes NPE is terrible....

the community for over 2 years has given a plethora of amazing suggestions for improving it, but ccp is either incapabale or unwilling to implement any of them, such as PVE a meaningful academy experience or "training grounds for corps"

if you are here in another year you will discover for yourself how many after you will make this same thread with no effort on ccp's part to implement any suggestion with in it as have many before you with the same results... isn't it sad?

I think CCP opened their eyes when Aika (a new player that I trained and joined our corp) made a thread about how horrible the NPE is and how the players teach the noobies and not the game itself.

I think I've heard of this thread, the one that is like a diary of the first 2 weeks?

I have not read it as I just came back after 2 months away... lets hope you're right and ccp has seen the light.

btw if you could link that thread I'd love to read it.

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Kage Roth Wolf-Monkey Bastards 125	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:03:00 - [1] - Quote TLDR: New player experience is bad. How do we improve it? Lets face it, once out of the academy the new player experience is just painful. Even someone who does everything right, joins a corp, tries to stay in squad and all that will have to learn the game and overcome the SP gap between them and most other players. The steep learning curve is something I consider an integral part of CCP games, so I am not counting that as a negative. Also, the matchmaking can only do so much unless we exponentially grow the player base. So, like it says in the subject, lets brainstorm and see if we can get any good ideas for CCP. Personally I have a couple ideas, but it will take more than just a couple ideas to work. Also those ideas I am sure we all have will do nothing if we don't share them. As for my ideas: 1. Make the guns work the same across meta levels. The biggest offender here is something like the flaylock or the nova knives. Both of these the basic level is basically useless and the weapons get easier to use and more deadly at higher meta levels. I still like the idea of skill levels making guns easier to use, this actually fits with what skill with a gun would do. Really though, we shouldn't punish someone for only being able to use a basic weapon by making the gun useless. 2. A game mode where there is only up to basic level or advanced level gear allowed. It would provide a good middle ground for new players out of the academy while giving a change of pace for veteran players. I know the feasibility of this one is questionable, but I think it would overall do the game good. Also the only way I can see this fitting into the lore is for some kind of arena/coliseum fight or worlds with bans on certain arms. I use this idea as a though experiment when considering if a weapon or a tactic is balanced. Is there a way to counter it or is it viable in a basic gear only game? If not, then it really isn't. Anyway, that is enough of my ramblings. What are your ideas on how to improve the new player experience?
Forever ETC 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 239	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:06:00 - [2] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber has actually made a thread about his ideas for 2.0, he includes a very well concept of NPE. Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013 THIS IS AMARR!!!
Canari Elphus Dirt Nap Squad. 1413	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:10:00 - [3] - Quote PVE as a chance to skill up and have fun - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155253&find=unread Canari Elphus for CPM1
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 599	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:11:00 - [4] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Iron Wolf Saber has actually made a thread about his ideas for 2.0, he includes a very well concept of NPE. I m a lazy bastard, I saw that but I cant find it, can you link it plz?
Kage Roth Wolf-Monkey Bastards 126	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:15:00 - [5] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=126376 Think I found it.
Forever ETC 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 239	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:36:00 - [6] - Quote Kage Roth wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=126376 Think I found it. Yep, I was gonna link it, but my phone isn't the best for that. Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013 THIS IS AMARR!!!
TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 367	Posted - 2014.04.12 17:51:00 - [7] - Quote My ideas about industry and something that can be incorporated into PvE. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=154982&find=unread Director, Dust University *~Kevall Longstride for CPM1~*
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1840	Posted - 2014.04.12 18:05:00 - [8] - Quote yes NPE is terrible.... the community for over 2 years has given a plethora of amazing suggestions for improving it, but ccp is either incapabale or unwilling to implement any of them, such as PVE a meaningful academy experience or "training grounds for corps" if you are here in another year you will discover for yourself how many after you will make this same thread with no effort on ccp's part to implement any suggestion with in it as have many before you with the same results... isn't it sad? this game makes me sad....
Forever ETC 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 240	Posted - 2014.04.12 18:11:00 - [9] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: yes NPE is terrible.... the community for over 2 years has given a plethora of amazing suggestions for improving it, but ccp is either incapabale or unwilling to implement any of them, such as PVE a meaningful academy experience or "training grounds for corps" if you are here in another year you will discover for yourself how many after you will make this same thread with no effort on ccp's part to implement any suggestion with in it as have many before you with the same results... isn't it sad? I think CCP opened their eyes when Aika (a new player that I trained and joined our corp) made a thread about how horrible the NPE is and how the players teach the noobies and not the game itself. Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013 THIS IS AMARR!!!
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1841	Posted - 2014.04.12 18:22:00 - [10] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: yes NPE is terrible.... the community for over 2 years has given a plethora of amazing suggestions for improving it, but ccp is either incapabale or unwilling to implement any of them, such as PVE a meaningful academy experience or "training grounds for corps" if you are here in another year you will discover for yourself how many after you will make this same thread with no effort on ccp's part to implement any suggestion with in it as have many before you with the same results... isn't it sad? I think CCP opened their eyes when Aika (a new player that I trained and joined our corp) made a thread about how horrible the NPE is and how the players teach the noobies and not the game itself. I think I've heard of this thread, the one that is like a diary of the first 2 weeks? I have not read it as I just came back after 2 months away... lets hope you're right and ccp has seen the light. btw if you could link that thread I'd love to read it. this game makes me sad....

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7916	Posted - 2014.04.12 18:29:00 - [11] - Quote I feel that the first step in improving the new-player experience is to overhaul the academy. Here is my thread covering this in detail. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2048882#post2048882 Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Forever ETC 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 242	Posted - 2014.04.12 18:41:00 - [12] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: yes NPE is terrible.... the community for over 2 years has given a plethora of amazing suggestions for improving it, but ccp is either incapabale or unwilling to implement any of them, such as PVE a meaningful academy experience or "training grounds for corps" if you are here in another year you will discover for yourself how many after you will make this same thread with no effort on ccp's part to implement any suggestion with in it as have many before you with the same results... isn't it sad? I think CCP opened their eyes when Aika (a new player that I trained and joined our corp) made a thread about how horrible the NPE is and how the players teach the noobies and not the game itself. I think I've heard of this thread, the one that is like a diary of the first 2 weeks? I have not read it as I just came back after 2 months away... lets hope you're right and ccp has seen the light. btw if you could link that thread I'd love to read it. Yeah, it's that one. Let's hope this link will work from my phone if not just copy and paste it on browser. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=154722 Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013 THIS IS AMARR!!!
General John Ripper 19845	Posted - 2014.04.12 18:56:00 - [13] - Quote Over a year and I still don't know how to play. NPE is terrible. Everytime I get a like, another bug is fixed.


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